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originally posted by: theantediluvian
My last chapter is Jesus, the Man of War
Well I for one will be more than willing to give to this guy's kickstarter if he starts one. Let's make this happen! Here's how I think Jesus, the Man of War, might appear in the movie adaptation.
(don't worry, I was probably going to hell before I shopped this anyway)
Something worse than taking a life is to destroy a soul or ruin a life
taking one life no matter how unworthy it may seem to be can cause all this to there extended family
also it rob's them of the chance to repent and be saved.
I understand that it is the modern thing to attack religion and the police at every possible opportunity (even if it's made up). But why is it so hard to see that the cop is simply saying to police and the military that you don't necessarily sever your relationship to God if you kill someone in the line of duty?
Seriously, is it hard to understand that this is what all the links are saying as well? Doesn't it bother you that absolutely nowhere does the cop say he kills for Christ? That's what the headline says. Where does anyone get that idea. Let me suggest that someone find a spot where he actually says he's killing for Christ. It's more like, "I can kill and still be a Christian. There are some circumstances under which it is allowed."
originally posted by: sheepslayer247
Wow, what a completely misleading and disingenuous article. The agenda behind this could not be any clearer.
Side note: Where did this Americans Against the Tea Party group come from? I know I live in my own little world of ignorance, but the last two days I have seen a few threads started with this group as a source.
Who are they?
The Law was born from biblical morality and as such will reflect that. Killing someone in self defense is JUSTIFIABLE as in NO PUNISHMENT FOR IT. Tha same with killing for your survival on a battlefield.
Not all killing is murder and thats a fact.
If we considerd all killing murder the world would be a very quiet place.
It's called sleep.
I looked at each of your links (which were pretty repetitive). The only way I can understand your comments is that you are seeing a different meaning in the words than I and some others are.
From what I have read, he did not say what is stated in the article and the OP. If there is a specific quote of him saying he "kills for Christ", I'd like to see that.
It's my understanding that his entire premise is that you can kill someone when it's your "job", such as a police office or military member, and still be a good Christian.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
It is NOT a Hoax, nor is it a "pathetic joke." It's real. HE IS REAL. I did the research for you. If you look at all the sources, you'll see pictures of him - one the "elder" picture on the church site, and others of him in uniform talking to some cop-records lady.
But I suppose you've left the room by now, rather than looking further into it.
It's definitely NOT a hoax, and his own words are right there in several of the sources.
originally posted by: sheepslayer247
a reply to: AfterInfinity
That's not what I believe he is saying. He is not saying murder is ok or that Jesus would want us to kill em all. He's trying to tell his fellow Christians that even though murder is a sin, there are situations in which murder is justified in the eyes of god/Jesus.
originally posted by: OptimusSubprime
So one crazy guy does something, and now ALL religion is bad and ALL guns are bad and we need to be re-educated. Irrational fear of inanimate objects is just as crazy.
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
The thing with idols and role models is that we emulate their behavior. If they do it, it must be not only kosher, but laudable. If, therefore, said idol or role model wages war on those who are deemed to be unworthy of living, then those who follow that idol or role model can be expected to follow suit. Because that's what people do when they admire someone so intensely. They do what that "someone" does.
If this man believes that Jesus is coming to wage war, a few dead bodies waiting for his arrival is just work done early. Work done in his name. Work done because it is believed he will approve. No, the words "I kill for Christ" do not apear in the article.
He makes a reference to Jesus waging war, Jesus killing thousands of people in order to purify this world. And leaves it there. And from my experience on these forums, that's the equivalent of saying "I approve of this approach". How far from approving to participating? How far from participating to leading?