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posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 08:30 AM
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a reply to: HauntWok

You clearly have no understanding of this do you.


Endow the king with your justice, O God, the royal son with your righteousness.

The king in this very first line.

What king is this?




posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 08:35 AM
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a reply to: HauntWok

www.christnotes.org...

www.scripturestudies.com...

www.easyenglish.info...

NOT one mention of a Govt taking care of people, taxing people or Govt provided welfare.

Dude...seriously. You loose.

Your socialist/progressive crap has nothing based in the bible.

Next you will try to tell me something on "my brother's keeper".



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 08:48 AM
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a reply to: TheBoomersRBusted

We shouldn't have a standing army. It was not placed into the design of the country.



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 09:03 AM
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originally posted by: macman
a reply to: Chiftel

So now taxes are charity??? Forced Charity, under threat of prison, and it is very much being seen as there are tax brackets and a release of taxes as well.

Next you will pitch that it is patriotic to pay taxes.


It is only forced charity for those who don't want to give. To those who do want it's no big deal.

If you don't pay taxes then all your property in the country you failed in your duties should be simply confiscated.

Taxes are the cost of citizenship.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say about tax brackets?

Graduated income tax does not mean you keep less when you earn more, in an absolute sense. It just means the percentage you pay in taxes increases.

So your net income (after taxes) does not scale up linearly with your gross income (before taxes). It grows more slowly than you.

But it still grows.

Are you attempting to claim that, with a progressive income tax, you actually get to keep less if you earn more?

Really?



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 09:14 AM
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originally posted by: Chiftel

It is only forced charity for those who don't want to give. To those who do want it's no big deal.

You have got to be joking.
So, when was the last time you were able to choose not to pay taxes.


originally posted by: Chiftel
If you don't pay taxes then all your property in the country you failed in your duties should be simply confiscated.

WOW. Marxist much?


originally posted by: Chiftel
Taxes are the cost of citizenship.

Please show me where this is stated.
Would love to see that.


originally posted by: Chiftel
I'm not sure what you're trying to say about tax brackets?

On a progressive sliding scale, f you earn more, you are FORCED to pay more in taxes.
Force has nothing to do with charity.


originally posted by: Chiftel
Graduated income tax does not mean you keep less when you earn more, in an absolute sense. It just means the percentage you pay in taxes increases.

DO you honestly believe any of this crap that you are pitching.
It sounds just as moronic out loud as it does typed here on ATS.
Yes, yes you do keep less.
A punitive in nature TAX structure is not charity.
I guess you believe that forced penance is great as well.


originally posted by: Chiftel
So your net income (after taxes) does not scale up linearly with your gross income (before taxes). It grows more slowly than you.

It still grows and is more, percentage wise, as you EARN more.



originally posted by: Chiftel

Are you attempting to claim that, with a progressive income tax, you actually get to keep less if you earn more?

Really?

Yes, as math seems to prove this.

If I earn $50k a year and have 20% of taxes removed, and then move to earn $100k a year to have 30% remove, 30% in this reality is more then 20%.



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 09:17 AM
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originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Chiftel

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Chiftel
He also said that you should give unto Caesar what is Caesar's. And that it is easier for a camel to wiggle through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.


And did he tell Caesar what to do with his money?


Precisely. What business is it of yours what Caesar does with your money?


No. He told CHRISTIANS what to do with their money.


Give it to Caesars and/or the poor.



No he didn't. The quote is 'Render to Caesar the things that are Caesars, render to God the things that are Gods'. And it's clearly about paying tax to Caesar but allegiance to God, not any financial transaction with 'the poor'. It's basically answering the question about if two masters are being served, with the answer being yes, but for different purposes.


What a spurious and specious argument.

The quotes where the Bible says to give to the poor are elsewhere.

All the more reason for Christians to shut the # up about taxes, if they're at all honest about their faith.

Because the Bible doesn't say to only give unto Caesar if he'll use it for charity or for causes you agree with and like.

It just says to give unto Caesar what is his.

So your objection that giving to Caesar is not charity is irrelevant.



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 09:21 AM
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a reply to: Chiftel

Seriously????

No where in the Bible does it state anything about forced charity. It states that a PERSON should, nothing anywhere about MUST.

And faith is not defined nor measured on charity or giving money.

You clearly have no clue.



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: macman

Man, it's difficult to argue with someone who is deliberately being obtuse. In that day and age, the king WAS the government. Please, just stop being so difficult.

Ill even parse it down for you as to make it easier for you to understand. If you deliberately ignore this one then I really can't help you and I'm going to stop with this line of questioning because it's getting tedious and pointless.

But here it is Psalm 72:

(4) May he defend the afflicted among the people
and save the children of the needy;
may he crush the oppressor.
(12) For he will deliver the needy who cry out,
the afflicted who have no one to help.
(13) He will take pity on the weak and the needy
and save the needy from death.
(14) He will rescue them from oppression and violence,
for precious is their blood in his sight.



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 10:38 AM
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originally posted by: Chiftel

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Chiftel

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Chiftel
He also said that you should give unto Caesar what is Caesar's. And that it is easier for a camel to wiggle through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.


And did he tell Caesar what to do with his money?


Precisely. What business is it of yours what Caesar does with your money?


No. He told CHRISTIANS what to do with their money.


Give it to Caesars and/or the poor.



No he didn't. The quote is 'Render to Caesar the things that are Caesars, render to God the things that are Gods'. And it's clearly about paying tax to Caesar but allegiance to God, not any financial transaction with 'the poor'. It's basically answering the question about if two masters are being served, with the answer being yes, but for different purposes.


What a spurious and specious argument.

The quotes where the Bible says to give to the poor are elsewhere.

All the more reason for Christians to shut the # up about taxes, if they're at all honest about their faith.

Because the Bible doesn't say to only give unto Caesar if he'll use it for charity or for causes you agree with and like.

It just says to give unto Caesar what is his.

So your objection that giving to Caesar is not charity is irrelevant.


I'm really unsure why think your comments make any sense whatsoever. You misquoted the 'render unto Caesar' quote and purposefully used it to support YOUR argument by twisting the actual quote and its context. I've got to assume by your childish use of the F word that you can't articulate yourself very well, you SAID that the quote meant Christ was saying 'give your money to Caesar and/or poor people' - YOUR WORDS - whereas in the context in the quote was made, Christ was saying that you should pay tax due to Caesar, there is no context in that section about giving anything with a financial value to anyone else.

All the more reason for people to shut up about anything if they can't follow something through a logical path, and certainly all the more reason for people to shut up quoting from a book they clearly haven't thought about.
edit on 3-7-2014 by uncommitted because: grammer



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 10:44 AM
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a reply to: HauntWok

The king is reference to God/Jesus.

You really have a distorted view on the bible.



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 10:59 AM
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a reply to: HauntWok

Oh yeah. Psalm 72 is a Prayer. Aside from Progressives, I have yet to meet anyone that worships and prays to the Govt.



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 11:09 AM
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a reply to: macman

It's the law from god through the prophet to the king of Israel.

But I wouldn't expect you to know that.

You aren't going to accept anything, this is boring me. So this is the end of this conversation.



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 11:26 AM
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a reply to: HauntWok

Dude, you have stretched this meaning so thin it really isn't funny.

So, worship to the King of Israel????


And its the law of God, not from God.

Again, you tried to use a Prayer...let me repeat...A Prayer as your proof that the bible preaches that the Govt is to tax people and provide Govt based forced Welfare.

No wonder you Progressives are so screwed up. I bet you think the whole "my brother's keeper" means just that.



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 12:19 PM
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originally posted by: HauntWok


You aren't going to accept anything, this is boring me. So this is the end of this conversation.


Spoken like a person on the loosing end of a debate.



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 12:56 PM
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You're only winning this debate in your mind.



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 01:08 PM
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a reply to: Chiftel




Still haven't provided anything I have asked for.



Just one thing, one little thing from the Bible stating there should be a tax on people to provide Govt welfare.

Or how about this. Anything saying that people MUST or HAVE to provide welfare.


Didn't man get that whole "Free will" thing???

Also, don't recall any talks Jesus gave, where he stated either you MUST/HAVE TO clothe and help people, or speak on behalf of the Govt advising that the paying of TAXES will help the meek.



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