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Republicans break into VA Governor's office to stop Medicaid Expansion

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posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 10:55 AM
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a reply to: FlyersFan

I seen stories exagerrated by both sides on ATS, i merely pointed out why one is welcomed and other is not.

I shall stay away from commenting on the story because it could be a hoax or it could not. Which is irrelevent because my point is how much attention would this story receive on ATS anyway? compared to Obama is a Muslim?

That depends on current ATS population.




posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 11:08 AM
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a reply to: HauntWok

Don't see the whole "May all those that are sick and meek be the burden of the government".

Care to point out where it suggests that the Govt tax people and give to others?



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 11:13 AM
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a reply to: macman

wow really?

Just not going to even try are you?

Ok, don't worry about it. Wouldn't really matter, but to answer your question, yes it's the roll of government to care for the least of the people.



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 11:17 AM
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you can't believe it wasn't posted here until you did?....in case you haven't noticed, this is a right-wing dominated site.



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: HauntWok

Please show me where it states this.



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 11:25 AM
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a reply to: HauntWok

This reply is basically like me stating "Well, your answer is on google somewhere. Go find it because it states it there".

I asked a direct question. A direct answer would be nice.



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 11:38 AM
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a reply to: macman

Really? I've even linked it for you.

Hell here is 100 bible verses about the poor.

www.openbible.info...



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 11:43 AM
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a reply to: HauntWok

IS this really that difficult????


Please show me where, specifically, it states that the Govt is to take care of people.

Everywhere in the Bible it states to take care of your fellow man. That is left to the person....not Govt.


I beg you, with pretty pink sprinkles on top, with a cherry. Provide a single instance where it states that people should be taxed to give to others.

Or................

That Govt is to take care of people.



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 12:09 PM
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a reply to: macman

This is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. We the people make this government.

there is no difference between the government and the people. therefore all instances where it tells the people to be charitable and do good works, the government of the people is equally charged with doing the same.



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: macman
a reply to: HauntWok

IS this really that difficult????


Please show me where, specifically, it states that the Govt is to take care of people.

Everywhere in the Bible it states to take care of your fellow man. That is left to the person....not Govt.


I beg you, with pretty pink sprinkles on top, with a cherry. Provide a single instance where it states that people should be taxed to give to others.

Or................

That Govt is to take care of people.



Dude, let me break it down for you in Rightwinganese.

It does say in the Bible not to do charity in order to be seen to do charity.

And that's where government comes in.

It takes from you regardless whether or not you want to be charitable and it practices charity on your behalf, granting you anonymity.

Allowing you to be charitable without being seen to be charitable. And thus obeying the Bible:

Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

It also says to render unto Caesar's what is his.

It doesn't say to give unto Caesar's what is his if you feel like it.
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posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 02:09 PM
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originally posted by: Chiftel

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Chiftel
He also said that you should give unto Caesar what is Caesar's. And that it is easier for a camel to wiggle through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.


And did he tell Caesar what to do with his money?


Precisely. What business is it of yours what Caesar does with your money?


No. He told CHRISTIANS what to do with their money.


Give it to Caesars and/or the poor.



No he didn't. The quote is 'Render to Caesar the things that are Caesars, render to God the things that are Gods'. And it's clearly about paying tax to Caesar but allegiance to God, not any financial transaction with 'the poor'. It's basically answering the question about if two masters are being served, with the answer being yes, but for different purposes.



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 02:36 PM
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And I can't believe the distortions surrounding this story - the Washington Post has a more factual account of what transpired: www.washingtonpost.com... b8ede384-fc78-11e3-932c-0a55b81f48ce_story.html






On June 12, a Thursday, the House and Senate approved the budget and the House clerk’s office began preparing the document for delivery to the governor — a process that can take several days. State government could have shut down and the state could have lost its stellar bond rating if the new budget was not in place by the start of the fiscal year July 1, so House Appropriations Committee staff worked furiously to finish the job early. They were ready to hand the budget over by Sunday, June 15, which happened to be Father’s Day.

House Clerk G. Paul Nardo called the governor’s legislative director, Felix Sarfo-Kantanka Jr. that morning to say his office was ready to drop the document off. But Sarfo-Kantanka was out of town celebrating the day with his father and said he could not accept it. He said no one else from the governor’s office was available. He suggested that they bring it over on Monday. That would have given McAuliffe until the following Monday to act on the budget, instead of the following Sunday.Howell was eager to get the document to the governor’s office given that the July 1 deadline was fast approaching, said Howell spokesman Matthew Moran. Nardo called Col. Anthony S. Pike, chief of Capitol Police, whose force is responsible for security at all Capitol Square buildings.

Pike got the call in the midst of his own Father’s Day festivities. But he put that on hold to head for the Capitol, 20 minutes away.

“I came in to do what I considered my duty and my job to help get the budget moved along, took time away from my family,” he said.

He escorted two House Clerk’s Office staffers into the Patrick Henry Building, into the governor’s third-floor offices and then into McAuliffe’s private office suite — a trip that required him to swipe a security access card three times, according to the governor’s office. They left the hefty budget bill on a chair outside of the governor’s personal office, which Pike said they never entered.



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 02:50 PM
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a reply to: HauntWok

You have got to be kidding me.

Your thin arguing point just went to shreds with that.

You have failed to provide me ANY scripture, just ONE, that stated the Govt should tax people and give to others.

And "there is no difference between the people and the Govt"????
You have got to be freaking joking.



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 02:58 PM
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So now taxes are charity??? Forced Charity, under threat of prison, and it is very much being seen as there are tax brackets and a release of taxes as well.

Next you will pitch that it is patriotic to pay taxes.



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 04:40 PM
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a reply to: macman

I have given you a hundred and one reasons. including a detailed list of the duties of a ruler according to god that specifically calls for him to help those that cannot help themselves.

YOU choose to ignore it.



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 04:45 PM
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I can't believe this isn't posted in here.
It was a not a break-in and not an issue.


a reply to: squittles
^^^ check this post ^^^




posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 05:19 PM
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a reply to: HauntWok

For people to CHOOSE to help.
Not for a Govt to tax and provide.


Still waiting on the scripture for either the Govt to do this or that a person MUST.



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 07:17 PM
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originally posted by: HauntWok
a reply to: macman

Really? I've even linked it for you.

Hell here is 100 bible verses about the poor.

www.openbible.info...


www.openbible.info...

What you offered was not Govt welfare. But........welfare freely given. Not by force of tax, upheld by threat of prison and absolutely not via the Govt.



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 11:04 PM
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a reply to: macman

You didn't bother to even read palms 72 did you?

Try again.

www.biblegateway.com...

none are as blind as those who will not see.



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 11:24 PM
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So support our troops with bake sales?




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