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originally posted by: Vovin
originally posted by: MrSpad
originally posted by: Vovin
a reply to: MrSpad
I do not agree. The ISIL offensive was not surprising. In fact I've personally been writing about this kind of thing happening for years. How could it be surprising when the west was deliberately setting the conditions by deposing of secular regimes, bombing everybody to incite violence, and directly supporting these radical groups? The west was doing it on such a large scale that the result could only be a large scale reactionary movement.
This is exactly what they wanted. You think 10,000 air sorties over Libya was to liberate Libya? It was to turn Libya into a base of operations for Islamists, providing Libyan state weaponry and facilities to the insurgency.
As for organization? ISIL most definitely is organized and controlled by regional players. It's also supported by the USA.
I am talking about reality and you talking about a variety of off the wall theories all mashed together. ISIS current make up has more to with the Iraqi goverments exclusion of Sunnis than it does anything else. That is what has given ISIS (at least for the short term) the manpower and trained leadership it needed to make a coventional move. Granted the second they were stopped short of Baghdad it was over. Trying to tie Libya into this is silly and shows a complete lack of understanding of the region. ISIS is a one off. It has no outside support and that is why is in a couple of years nobody will even remember who they were. Your theory would then be the US toppled Libya, Syria, and Egypt and for some reason that created ISIS (who have been around for over decade) to take over part of Iraq and then get beaten back all as some sort of plan that you will have to make up later.
You're the one who has a complete lack of understanding. I've been following this situation for years and producing reports and following the observations by others in the field. Yet you're telling me that my theories are "off the wall" while you claim that this is just a few bad apples and the threat will be eliminated with a few bombs. That ignorant line of thinking has led to this situation, it is no solution.
In the fifteen minute clip, ISIS member Abu Saffiya toured various sites ISIS had captured, taunting the west’s inefficacy in building a sustainable Iraq. “Look how much America spends to fight jihadists, and it all ends up in our pockets,” he said, showing off American vehicles ISIS had seized. “You want to cooperate with America? Look how far it got you.” He also sneered at Iraq’s army, finding patches from uniforms abandoned by soldiers the U.S. trained. “They are nothing but cowards. They only run away.”
Toward the end of the video, another insurgent drove up in a pickup truck. “A question for Obama,” he posed to the camera. “Did you prepare enough diapers for your soldiers or not?”
originally posted by: ANNED
They are going to run short of people to fight on the radioactive glass fields just after they take Israel.
they must not have heard of the Samson option
400 hydrogen bombs will leave few to fight.
Israel knows Masada was not an example to follow it hurt the Romans not a bit.
but they would turn the ISIS into someplace that glows in the dark.
originally posted by: andy1972
This map is funny...untik you think about it. If in any way, as with Al Qaeda, Pakistan are linked to this group through training or funding or logistics and India thinks this map is for real....They'll wipe Pakistan off the map. Maybe its what America wants, after all Pakistans the most two timing, two faced 'ally' that the west has..it would save them the cost of invading.