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originally posted by: Ismail
Well how about I try to get your skepticism back ?
For starters, you know, you are right, the symbolism IS there. In fact, symbolism is all around us. As a species, we have very symbolic-orientated brains, and every single human culture is a reflection of that. Now for me there are two main mistakes that people make (and I did) when they get into this stuff :
1) They assume that the "symbolism" is coming from these "secret societies" (as if they were in control), when in fact it's the opposite. Secret societies merely mirror our own cultural mythos. The rich and powerfull are often, and sometimes more, as superstitious as the average Joe.
2) Just because it exists, it doesn't mean that it's relevant, or that it holds any power. As stated above, superstition/symbolism is very democratic. You need to remember that the people who frequent those kinds of circles don't come from *such* a different world than the rest of us. They are subjected to the same kind of cultural influences the rest of us are, many worship the same gods most other people do, they are hardwired with the same symbolic structure that we all have. That they BELIEVE that these symbols hold power does not magically imbue them with any special/supernatural relevance what so ever.
3) The rich and powerfull have always mingled, and have and will always strive to retain their power. In essence, there is nothing "abnormal" about that. It is an economical consequence of the way our society functions, nothing more. Some of these guys even try to leave a mark of their passage on this earth, and start dabbling in little clubs with little clubby superstitions that give their lives meaning. Cos' guess what the bottom line is. Being incredibly rich gets incredibly boring incredibly fast.
These people live a culture that they can influence more than most, but it's a two way street. They too get educated to believe that money = happiness/fullfilment. But most of these peoples lives are even sadder and far more meaningless than yours or mine. These are people who spend their existences trying to find something meaningfull in a vacuum they helped create. Symbolism can be very meaningfull. So that's that.
Here is my advice. Don't give them any more credit than they deserve. Certainly don't fear them. But do pity them. They are among the most lost, confused, and emotionally fracked-up people on this planet.
originally posted by: sheepslayer247
Unfortunately, in this area of research most of the content is "whackadoo".
As another member previously stated, the symbology is there. But evidence for there being a secret society still in existence today that has any real power is non-existent.
Sure, there is a very powerful group of politicians and businessmen that get together and decide our economic futures, but there is no Illuminati or anything of the sort still in existence.