Why Such Hate For Fox News Specifically?

a reply to: MagicWand67

Dear MagicWand67,

It is good to hear it directly from the source. I'm not sure that those videos show "the source," however. These are the two people who filed the law suit against the station. It might be similar to considering Bill Clinton "the source" for the truth about Monica Lewinski.

Clinton had to appear in a court proceeding. He was found to have lied in that proceeding. Wilson and Akre claim that Fox tried to force them to lie and they were fired for refusing to lie, and that the court found that Fox had the right to lie, and that Fox admitted they lied.

The quotes from the Courts looking into the matter and putting the station on trial, didn't find any of those things to be true. That, I think, is a better source.

Is there a court ruling that said Fox had the right to lie? No. Did Fox admit to lying in the case? Were they fired for refusing to lie? No. Did fox try to force them to lie? Or, better, if any of those things were true, I haven't seen anything in the court rulings that said it. If you have, I'd be glad to hear of it.

Wilson and Akre are just repeating claims they have made, and which no court ruled in a way that would support any of their claims.

But, again, if you have better information, I'd like to have it so I can correct any errors I might have in my understanding.

With respect,
Charles1952

a reply to: charles1952

It's not so much they won the right to lie, it's that during the Appellate Case, they reversed the previous court decision to award a 400+K plus settlement to Jane Akre by claiming that there was no rule or law that that prevented them from distorting the news because FOX brands itself as 'news entertainment'.

Akre had been fired by the local FOX affiliate for threatening to report the distortion demanded of her on her Monsanto BGH story to the FCC. She won her original case based on whistle blower laws and the FOX affiliate admitted it demanded she distort the story to favor Monsanto. FOX won on appeal based on the fact they weren't subject to FCC regulations for accurate reporting (because of the entertainment brand), thus Akre was never truly a whistle blower.

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: ArtemisE

Do you really think that? People are people, there's smart liberals and dumb liberals. Smart conservatives and dumb conservatives. Intellectually people are pretty much the same across the political divide. For every person out there Fox panders to over impeaching Obama over Benghazi or his birth certificate there's someone MSNBC or CNN or CBS pandered to over impeaching Bush over lying about Iraq, the Patriot Act, or something else.

Yes I do. I'm not a democrat, I think both sides are garbage.....but fox is the laughing stock of all other liberal and independent news sites. Hell, Jon Stewart made his fortune off pointing out there craziness.

I listen to a lot of rightwing radio and watch a lot of news sources. If you watch both sides is obvious who is worse.

Both sides use propaganda, but you can't watch fox for 5 min and not have multiple lies told. There is a difference between them and other mainstream sources. Look at how it's literally fox, drudge and bright Bart vs. all other left and center news stations. It's literally the 3 or 4 conservative stations telling a completely different story then what every other news source on the planet.
So either there is a massive conspiracy with every non conservative news source on the planet to hide the fact Obama/liberals are Muslim ,socialist, Commie's who want to destroy America or Fox is the one lying.

a reply to: Kali74

Dear Kali74,

Thanks for another challenging post. I think you're much closer to the truth, but there is still some work to be done.

The opinion by the Appeals court is fairly short and easy to read. Here's just a small clip making me wonder who was doing the distorting:

Each time the station asked Wilson and Akre to provide supporting documentation for statements in the story or to make changes in the content of the story, the reporters accused the station of attempting to distort the story to favor the manufacturer of BGH.

The parties never resolved their differences regarding the content of the story, and consequently, the story never aired.

www.2dca.org...

I agree that Fox wanted her to change the story, but there wasn't any resolution to the question of who was doing the distorting. I suppose that depends on how much someone dislikes Fox.

FOX won on appeal based on the fact they weren't subject to FCC regulations for accurate reporting (because of the entertainment brand), thus Akre was never truly a whistle blower.

Again, close, but not quite. The "entertainment" issue was never a factor in any of the decisions (go back to my link in this post, the decision really is short.) The issue wasn't even whether Fox was subject to FCC regulations.

The issue was whether there were ANY regulations or laws anywhere that Fox could be accused of violating. You can't blow the whistle on someone who isn't violating any laws or regulations. Therefore, as she was not a "whistle blower," she couldn't collect based on the argument that she was.

With respect,
Charles1952

Liberal media has no idea how to be critical of their own preisdent and leaders.They make Obama a God and messiah figure.part of the reason the country is out of control.So when Fox gets critical the liberals who make no sense critisize Fox who is not even their leaders.

a reply to: ArtemisE

That's just saying both sides are bad. What you claimed was that liberals are smart and conservatives are dumb, so Fox lies to a bunch of idiots while MSNBC is lying to all the educated people out there. That's not true.

originally posted by: Jobeycool
Liberal media has no idea how to be critical of their own preisdent and leaders.They make Obama a God and messiah figure.part of the reason the country is out of control.So when Fox gets critical the liberals who make no sense critisize Fox who is not even their leaders.

The only place Obama is a messiah figure is in right wing world. Every media group on the planet thinks fox, drudge, and brietbart are nuts. It's not just liberal media... It's literally those 3 organizations vs. everyone else. So the only way fox is correct is if there is a global conspiracy to discredit then.

No one thinks of Obama as Jesus.


All the other news organizations criticize Obama and are not called racists.

Anything conservative media swears the MSM isn't talking about, change the channel they are.


The only reason y'all fall for all this garbage is because y'all only go to conservative sources for your media. I hate both political sides, but any independent minded person who watches both will agree fox is obviously playing to a far less educated crowd.


Anyone with out a slight mental retardation has to be turned off by all of the fox craziness. There's plenty of legitimate criticisms of Obama and the dems. However none of them involve Muslim, socialist, terrorists in elected office trying to desroy America. Fox just throws everything at the wall hoping something will stick, but even intelligent people would have trouble finding the kernel of truth in a fox report.

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: ArtemisE

That's just saying both sides are bad. What you claimed was that liberals are smart and conservatives are dumb, so Fox lies to a bunch of idiots while MSNBC is lying to all the educated people out there. That's not true.

Conservatives are dumb or all the craziness wouldn't work. All the fake scandal and law suits. It's obvious there not playing to intellectuals. You can't deny the consensus of the entire scientific community(evolution and climate change ) and still claim your audience is intellectuals lmao!

Seriously, the entire world thinks fox is a joke...a bad joke. Did you know that quite literally the only place evolution is questioned is in conservative evangelical circles? Only in Bible Belt America is science a political tool that the evil Obama gets to control.

originally posted by: ArtemisE

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: ArtemisE

That's just saying both sides are bad. What you claimed was that liberals are smart and conservatives are dumb, so Fox lies to a bunch of idiots while MSNBC is lying to all the educated people out there. That's not true.

Conservatives are dumb or all the craziness wouldn't work. All the fake scandal and law suits. It's obvious there not playing to intellectuals. You can't deny the consensus of the entire scientific community(evolution and climate change ) and still claim your audience is intellectuals lmao!

Seriously, the entire world thinks fox is a joke...a bad joke. Did you know that quite literally the only place evolution is questioned is in conservative evangelical circles? Only in Bible Belt America is science a political tool that the evil Obama gets to control.

If fox is a joke then why are they number 1 ?

It is not fox vs the liberal media... It's fox vs all other media organizations on the planet. Let's just keep it real. The only way fox is right, is if EVERY ONE else is wrong. That's red state America vs the rest of the planet!

a reply to: thesaneone


Because fox is the only conservative voice while there are a thousand left and mainstream sources. So all conservatives watch fox. While the rest of us watch various different media sources.

P.s. Fox is only the number one cable news channel. The daily show and Colbert report are the most watched news programs in the US.

originally posted by: MagicWand67
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

At least when a liberal host or a left wing media station gives it's opinions they say "This is my opinion".

They don't portray opinion as fact. They don't tell their guests to "shut up".

They don't cut people's mic off mid-sentence because they want to speak their mind and stray away from the script they are supposed to parrot.

Yeah...its a shame that liars won't stop lying until you tell them to shut up or cut their mic. But what can you do?

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

They believe in the end justifies the means and the end is, as always, what they want. Power, money and control.

Wow. So - you mean, like, "Corporations are people"?
Or - "money = free speech"?
Or maybe - "Lobbyists are benign"??

No...I meant more like "Let illegals in so they can vote for those who let them in", "Pay people not to work so they become dependant on us like a drug" and "Use other government agencies to attack anyone who disagrees with us". You know...REAL corruption.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: beezzer
And they have money. And advertisers like that.

It's a business. Filling a niche.

Sometimes older is wiser, but who cares if they have money?

This is why Fox is bad. There's the truth and the facts and there's opinion pieces about those facts. A news organization should be providing facts. Fox does not do that.

Then since you say Fox is bad...you are assuming all the others DO report facts and DON'T give opinions...right? HA-HA! Whatever happened to NOT telling that something happened, being just as much of a lie as telling something incorrectly? You know...like all the other news stations do. Not telling anyone about 1/2 the crap that is really going on because it would hurt their chosen team. Fact is...there is no news that just states facts anymore. FOX included.

a reply to: thesaneone

They aren't by a long shot. They're only number 1 for cable news. They trail all network news by 10's of millions.

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: beezzer
And they have money. And advertisers like that.

It's a business. Filling a niche.

Sometimes older is wiser, but who cares if they have money?

This is why Fox is bad. There's the truth and the facts and there's opinion pieces about those facts. A news organization should be providing facts. Fox does not do that.

Then since you say Fox is bad...you are assuming all the others DO report facts and DON'T give opinions...right? HA-HA! Whatever happened to NOT telling that something happened, being just as much of a lie as telling something incorrectly? You know...like all the other news stations do. Not telling anyone about 1/2 the crap that is really going on because it would hurt their chosen team. Fact is...there is no news that just states facts anymore. FOX included.

The other news is reporting the same stories that fox is. Fox and other radio hosts are just banking their listeners arnt gonna turn the channel and check. I jump back and forth constantly, kinda thinking it's comical.


P.s. Your right the dems do just want immigration reform because of voters. They also pretend the word corporation is inherently evil, which is ridiculous.


But on the other side voter ID is all about stopping votes. And republicans pretend like unions and Muslims are inherently evil. Which is ridiculous.

Both sides are scum bags, but the present conservative evangelicals are more dangerous. They'll use local police forces to enforce their on personal flavor of morality while twisting science and reality to fit there agenda.

If you want to know who is watching the network, see what commercials they play.
Fox is golf, ED pills and your maintenance meds. Blood pressure, heartburn, cholesterol ect.
They play to captive audiences in doc offices and retirement homes and to the retired crowd that sits at home and watch tv.

Oh and bills last show was about him sending a reporter to different places in CA and then asking them about the show.
Then proceed to talk crap on the people that had anything negative to say.... Real classy.
Even tried to take the comment made by one guy to the reporter after telling him how he felt about bill.
He said " and your cut from the same cloth cause he is your boss"
Bill tried to call that a semi racist comment....

a reply to: TheJourney

My 72 yr old aunt from Mississippi has it on all the time. She hates everyone. She tolerates me cause she is running out of family. She says the african americans (not her choice of words) don't show her respect anymore, the poor are one notch up from the blacks, but she was all for going to Iraq to save "those poor people".

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
Then since you say Fox is bad...you are assuming all the others DO report facts and DON'T give opinions...right? HA-HA! Whatever happened to NOT telling that something happened, being just as much of a lie as telling something incorrectly? You know...like all the other news stations do. Not telling anyone about 1/2 the crap that is really going on because it would hurt their chosen team. Fact is...there is no news that just states facts anymore. FOX included.

And which one went to court and argued that they have no obligation to report the truth? They're all bad but Fox is the worst of the bunch, they deserve every bit of hate they get and more. This isn't some case where one of them is actually good. If each news network were a criminal CNN, ABC, MSNBC, CBS, and the rest would be rapists. Fox would be a child rapist. Even when they're all bad, some are more deserving of hate than others.

Literally the post right above what you quoted was also by me and pointed out that none of them are actually good. I swear you Fox defenders just like to hear the everyone sucks mantra because you think that's some type of defense. It's not.

As far as facts go, the others also give opinions but they're more likely to report facts. None of the news stations are actually trustworthy though. John Stewart is our most fair and unbiased "anchorman" in the country.