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Weird California sighting

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posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: NavyDoc

There is a quiet boom technology demonstrator flying in that area as well, which is what I saw.




posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 10:37 AM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: NavyDoc

There is a quiet boom technology demonstrator flying in that area as well, which is what I saw.


I don't doubt that they are working on it. A good avenue of research in that area would involve magnetic or ionic fields. If one could extend a field around the craft and in the direction of travel so that it pushes the molecules of gases out and away form the aircraft in such a way that makes the change gradual and reduces flow turbulence, you will greatly reduced the amount of displaced air and thus the boom. Would also make high speed maneuvers less rough on the aircraft and crew.

You could conceivably make the best shape for fluid dynamics around the aircraft regardless of the craft's actual shape.



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 10:42 AM
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a reply to: NavyDoc

A lot of their work involves plasma. Its an insanely effective medium for a lot of things, once you get around the confetti side effect idea. They even talked about using it in some pretty interesting ways on the legacy fleet.



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 03:02 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: NavyDoc

A lot of their work involves plasma. Its an insanely effective medium for a lot of things, once you get around the confetti side effect idea. They even talked about using it in some pretty interesting ways on the legacy fleet.


And that's the thing--push out ionized particles ahead of you and you can push the atmosphere away from your vehicle with much, much less disruption.

There's been a lot of discussion to use this technique with near speed of light vehicles. Space is not empty, even in deep space there are trace gasses and molecules. Hitting trace hydrogen atoms or whatever at near relativistic speeds will wear down the toughest materials eventually--kind of like a cosmic sandblaster. Use the plasma to push those out of the way of the spacecraft.



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 03:30 PM
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Hey Doc!

I'd be pretty interested in any links or threads you can point me to that discusses the above in regards to near light speed vehicles using plasma. Worth researching IMHO. might help the thread going on in the research forum too.

I once saw a vehicle doing some astounding stuff and it appeared to be using some sort of plasma or electrical mechanisms in it's dead quiet and very fast propulsion system. So like I said I'd be interested in following up some of those links if you can think of a few.



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 04:07 PM
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originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: NavyDoc

Hey Doc!

I'd be pretty interested in any links or threads you can point me to that discusses the above in regards to near light speed vehicles using plasma. Worth researching IMHO. might help the thread going on in the research forum too.

I once saw a vehicle doing some astounding stuff and it appeared to be using some sort of plasma or electrical mechanisms in it's dead quiet and very fast propulsion system. So like I said I'd be interested in following up some of those links if you can think of a few.





Exposure to energetic charged particles could put astronauts on lengthy missions at increased risk of cancer and even cognitive problems (see Future mars astronauts have radiation on their minds). The particles come from the solar wind and also from supernovae and still-unidentified sources outside the solar system.

The Earth's magnetic field protects spacecraft in low-Earth orbits, such as the space shuttle and International Space Station, from such particles. But astronauts journeying to Mars or living on the Moon would benefit from no such protection.



Deflector Shields




A bubble of plasma could shield astronauts from radiation during long journeys through space, researchers are suggesting. If the idea proves viable, it means heavy metal protective panels could be replaced by a plasma shield of just a few grams


Plasma Shields




A team of physicists from the UK, Portugal and Sweden led by Ruth Bamford of the Rutherford lab has shown that it should be possible to shield spacecraft using artificial magnetospheres. Like the real thing, these would separate out the electrons and protons of the solar wind, generating a separation of charge in space that would deflect these particles away from the spacecraft.


Magnetic Sheild




One famous science-fictional nod to the hazards of high speed interstellar travel are the navigational deflectors used on the most famous line of SF starships of all, the “Enterprise” starships. All of them feature a glowing forward facing disk which, as made explicit in “The Next Generation” series, is a deflector shield against hazardous impacts when travelling through space-time at high sub-light speeds. Curiously the 0.2c quoted as the maximum impulse speed for the NCC1701-D model “Enterprise” is about right for “Icarus” too. Can “Icarus” be defended by something straight of “Star Trek”? A proposed means of decelerating from interstellar speeds is the magnetic-sail, which is a large loop of superconducting wire producing an artificial magnetosphere around the moving spacecraft. By deflecting interstellar ions, the magnetic field forms a semi-spherical zone forward of the vehicle where the magnetic pressure of the field and the pressure of colliding ions are evenly balanced. A magnetopause forms, in which ions are reversed in direction and their change in momentum produces an equal, but opposed, change in momentum in the magnetic-sail, and thus the spacecraft to which it is attached. Interestingly the Sun’s magnetosphere already acts like a deflector shield, forcing the ions and small charged particles of dust to flow around the Sun as it moves against the average flow of the Galaxy. Exposed to energetic photons (ultraviolet and x-ray) and high-energy ions (cosmic rays) the interstellar dust is charged. The very smallest dust particles, up to a certain diameter, are completely excluded from the inner Solar System by the Sun’s magnetosphere, while particles a bit larger are significantly deflected. Only the high-end of the dust size range is able to penetrate. In the case of a moving magnetic-sail, the atoms of the Interstellar Medium (about 90%-50% of the ISM) are actually ionized by its rapidly changing magnetic-field strength, in a process akin to that used to ionize gas in a Pulsed Inductive Thruster. If you imagine an atom drifting through space at typically 15 km/s, to then encounter a magnetic field approaching at 60,000 km/s is to experience a change in field sufficiently quick enough to ionize the atom. In effect the ship is creating a shock-wave in the ISM which is producing a lot of extra charge as atoms are ionized. All those suddenly energetic electrons could be sufficient to increase the charge on the ISM dust, thus increasing the deflector effectCharging Ions with Magnetic Field to produce Deflector effect.


Some articles talk about using this technique to divert harmful radiation away form the crew whereas other discuss deflecting particles from damaging the structure of the ship, such as a solar sail.



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 04:15 PM
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posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 05:10 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

I can offer you this little goody Zaph. I'll just pick up the story as my partner (Dave) and I were leaving Furnace Creek in Death Valley.

Late March 1993 Full moon

After I went to the little store there on the outskirts of town and purchased a sody. I meandered myself back across the street with my usual confident stride. A striking gent then I suppose.( Some girlys went by and gave me the hoorahs) Sorry I had to toss that in for my own ego. I jumped back in Daves truck, as he whipped it back around and we headed back out to the highway. The tundra was high so we couldn't see out to the highway as we made the bend out of town.

As we completed the bend around to where we could see the highway. Just beyond it with cars flying by right in front of us. There seem to be what looked like two rollercoaster cars. One green one red lit up so you could only see the cars and not the track against the night sky. Beyond that, the Moon, in full bloom had just cleared the Panamint mountains. One of the cars did follow immediatly behind the other as if hooked together like a rollercoaster. They appeared to be so much like a rollercoaster as we cleared the high tundra and got out on to the highway I said , Dave ! What is a rollercoaster doing out in the middle of the desert?
My partner Dave is a very timid man as you will soon see. He answered me back totally astonished at first and said clearly, I don't know what that is.

Now by the time we pulled out on to the highway these cars weren't cars anymore and had seperated. I said to
Dave," look at that ! " as this triangular craft just stopped on a dime in mid air. Not right over the highway but I could have hit it with a football. Keep in mind there were other cars going by us constantly but we were the only ones who pulled over. Dave was in shock and just doing anything I told him to at this point, which was, pull over Dave.

As we pulled over I jumped out of the truck with mag lite in hand and started flashing it at the craft.
To my own astonishment the craft just sitting there seemed to respond by rocking it's nose and tail up and down.
Then the other craft stopped on a dime right behind it. It is important for me to say at this point that I'm not talking herriers here these things stopped on a dime. They had the power of the air. to do what ever they wanted to do. So after the one stopped behind the one in front the one in front glided silently over our heads. What I seen at that point was this. A triangular craft with a green glowing plasma like tube around the perimeter. I saw a glass canopy with one pilot inside oxygen mask and helmut. Then in an instant it took off and was cruising just in front of the Panamints as a little green dot and woosh. Dead stop , and I mean directly behind the other red one.
Then the red one did the exact same thing. It was like unto a magic show. My partner Dave whom I will always love could barely make it around the bed of his truck gripping it with white knuckles just to ask me in a stuttering voice. "Are uh, are these ours?'. I suddenly felt so bad for not noticing he was petrified.

I put my arm around him and said," yes Dave, Dave yes, these are ours" and we both watched them shoot away to the north. I think Dave was so glad to see them go. And they were gone in a heart beat. To this day my friend Dave will tell the same story damn near word for word at any time. A bit scary for him, but for me one of the coolest things I've ever seen.End

That bright green and also red glowing plasma tube, around the perimeters of what looked very much
like two Auroras. I would venture to say had everything to do with the incredible speeds and manuevers
we witnessed that night. If you ever been thru Death Valley, two things you do not see?

Airplanes and roller coasters.



posted on Aug, 3 2014 @ 12:52 AM
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Very interesting to say the least! And you have a fantastic writing style! Lol loved it.

Out of curiosity, how did you see the pilots and canopy while they were going overhead?

Where was the canopy located/positioned?



posted on Aug, 3 2014 @ 01:44 AM
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a reply to: weavty1

My guess is that it was rocking up and down enough to give him a line of sight. But I'll wait for randyvs answer!



posted on Aug, 3 2014 @ 11:46 AM
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I guess since we are sharing sightings, I've got several. Let me throw an unclassified one at you guys.

Coming in on approach to California, still over the pacific and headed east to Moffett Field at about FL400, saw a very fast mover going west about 20K above and several miles out. It was too far away to get a great look, but was black and triangular so we thought it was probably an SR-71 out of Beale or Edwards (as they have flown out of both bases in California). The thing about this one was the exhaust trail. Poof of smoke then a trail then a poof of smoke and a trail, sort of like a sting of pearls.

Aurora?

Dragnet was the callsign, IIR.



posted on Aug, 3 2014 @ 12:57 PM
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As Framed said and as I also precluded, the first one stopped
when we pulled over and I started flashing the mag lite. So close
I could've hit it with a football. But at that point I couldn't really
make out the pilot thru the glass canopy. But the way I saw and
detailed him, was when he cruised overhead and banked. The
craft leaned in towards us and I could see right thru the glass, up
against the sky at dusk. Still slightly lit up. As he went over his head
turn to get a look at us. It was so bitchen and thanks for the compliment.
I do try hard to do this sighting justice.


The canopy was pretty much mid center slightly to the front or point.
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posted on Aug, 3 2014 @ 01:40 PM
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a reply to: Bhadhidar


The problem encountered with orbiting anti-ballistic missile systems is will you have one where you need it when you need it. Also satellites are easily tracked and several countries can shoot them down. We maintain numerous abilities to handle a ballistic missile launch, because in a real situation it won't be one launcher going active. Any one system could not handle a multi-ballistic missile launch. Current SOP is to use at least two counter measures per ballistic threat.



posted on Aug, 3 2014 @ 01:42 PM
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most silos are on a stand alone system that cannot be electronically intruded from the outside. Also if 15 silos go active at once how many can you realistically nullify electronically?



posted on Aug, 3 2014 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc
The thing about this one was the exhaust trail. Poof of smoke then a trail then a poof of smoke and a trail, sort of like a sting of pearls.




I've seen that very trail above Christchurch, New Zealand, earlier this year. It didn't appear to be going very fast, but it was definitely a 'string of pearls'...



posted on Aug, 3 2014 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: cosmicts
a reply to: yuppa

most silos are on a stand alone system that cannot be electronically intruded from the outside. Also if 15 silos go active at once how many can you realistically nullify electronically?


They werent hacked they had their power knocked out and coudnt operate the missiles at all until they turned off the device they used to do so. from what i was told they could had left them off.



posted on Aug, 3 2014 @ 08:52 PM
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originally posted by: aorAki

originally posted by: NavyDoc
The thing about this one was the exhaust trail. Poof of smoke then a trail then a poof of smoke and a trail, sort of like a sting of pearls.




I've seen that very trail above Christchurch, New Zealand, earlier this year. It didn't appear to be going very fast, but it was definitely a 'string of pearls'...


The U-2 has deployed out of Christchurch before, albeit a long time ago. I know that they are radically different, but the security requirements would be the same, yes?

umcc.ais.org...



posted on Aug, 3 2014 @ 08:57 PM
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Aircraft flying out of that area in the past were used to gather data on nuclear testing done there. Once by accident too. I BELIEVE it may have been an Israeli or South African test. The aircraft was flying over the South Pacific on a mission, and the radar detectors went nuts. They had to decontaminate the plane before the pilot could get out after landing.



posted on Aug, 3 2014 @ 10:39 PM
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That would have been the Wigram Air Base, which is no longer an airbase and is now a subdivision!
There is the (Harewood) Christchurch International Airport link now which is where 'Operation Deep Freeze' logistics departed from: "The United States Air Force 13th Air Expeditionary Group deploys to Christchurch, New Zealand during the operational season." link

...and I also found this: "
Through the Lockheed-Martin Antarctic Support Contract, PAE NZ operates the USAP, commonly known as Operation Deep Freeze Operation Deep Freeze presence in Christchurch dates back to the 1950s. www.usap.gov//
The New York Air National Guard operates LC-130 (ski-equipped) airplanes in the Antarctic Programme. The C17 Globemaster, which flies regularly during the summer season from Christchurch International Airport to Antarctica, is operated by the US Air Force." link


Man, that would have been something to see the U2 flying out of Christchurch!


Israeli, South African, or French test? Perhaps even a British test in Australia? ( in response to Zaphod).

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As you were, back to the topic at hand

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posted on Aug, 4 2014 @ 05:59 AM
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Hey guys, I came across this short blog post online thought it might be useful:




Black Triangle Sighting in Waynesville, Ohio on February 18th 2014 – Distinct iron looking triangle with 2/3 white lights with a 30ish sec delay green light


Date posted was:

by · February 19, 2014

Although that is the full text, it does fit the description and provide an additional date/location to identify flight paths.

worldufosightings.com... -lights-with-a-30ish-sec-delay-green-light



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