Weird California sighting

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: StargateSG7

Wow thats frighteningly accurate. The silver bug does do all sorts of crazy manuevers.l believe the origional test artical was called the YT1300. I heard some folks have amazing footage of it flying low over the desert.

Please forgive my ignorance, but how in the heck does that Silver Bug maneuver? It took me a second to realize it has no wings and looks like a rocket!?

It looks like there are maybe flaps on the Stabalizers in back? (probably wrong term) Would those be used to "steer" then? I can't really wrap my head around that plane.

originally posted by: nelloh62

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: StargateSG7

Wow thats frighteningly accurate. The silver bug does do all sorts of crazy manuevers.l believe the origional test artical was called the YT1300. I heard some folks have amazing footage of it flying low over the desert.

Yeah. My mate chewy also spotted it

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The pictures I showed are called "Lifting Body" aircraft
USUALLY USED as re-entry spacecraft and THEIR maneuverabiity
is usually quite LIMITED....however, those pictures I used because
they were the CLOSEST represenattion of what I have seen personally on video.

The "Silver Bug" craft's maneuverability is a sight to behold
WAAAAAAAAY beyond than even a Sukhoi SU-35 or F-16.

I kind of know some fairly intimate details on its propulsion
and maneuverability system but I'd rather not say HOW and
WHAT i know at this time....let's just say I pretty much
KNOW at the lowest level WHY and HOW it works....!!!! :-) ;-)

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and for the spooks...I'm looking at the CAD drawings right now.....!!!!!!!

a reply to: StargateSG7

You didn't reply to me but I think you just answered my question, I think I confused the actual craft you posted a link to as being what was referred to as the silver bug. I understand now what you mean though.

I saw a video clip the other day that was a couple of I believe Russian craft doing things that I didn't know were possible in conventional aircraft. There were two of them just hovering what seemed very very low over a parade field or airfield or somehting and just stationary in the air across from each other. Then they would very quickly switch sides, until the end of the clip the one on the right had some kind of malfunction and the pilot had to eject.

Totally blew my mind, like I said I had absolutely no idea at all that conventional aircraft were capable of doing anything even remotely similar to what they were doing. Just incredible. Definitely gave me a whole new perspective on the topic as a whole.

I am hoping and betting one of you here will know what video I am talking about or recognize the description. I would love to learn more about those craft even if it's possible to be filled in.

a reply to: sputniksteve

THIS the Sukhoi SU-35 fighter !!!!

www.youtube.com...

The Cobra maneuver and other ridiculous
8-to-9 G positive and negative maneuvers
which barely make a dent into the capabilities
of the airframe itself...the PILOTS are the limiting
factors in total maneuverability...They cannot take
more than 9 G's max without a liquid immersion
system to fill the body cavities! (i.e. perflourocarbon
full liquid breathing and immersion for G-force mitigation)

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But again, what I saw years ago on video was something
else WAAAAAAY BEYOND the SU-35 ...... !!!!!!! With the
"Silver Bug" no pilot could take that sort of maneuverability
without something else being put into the mix........ :-) ;-) :-)

a reply to: StargateSG7

That is an awesome video. It brings back fear from when I was a child growing up in the 80's and always thinking the Soviets were going to go to war all the time. I see videos saying it is the best fighter jet ever and makes me wonder if that's true, if they have the upper hand. I Realize you guys say that all these conventional craft are just "dog and pony" basically and that if the manure hits the fan the US will start dropping Giant Triangles all over Moscow but damn, it would be nice to know it instead of just know it. Thats really just a statement, I am not trying to goad anyone into telling me something I shouldn't know. Truth be told the things I learn here are sufficient to appease my worries because I trust you all implicitly when it comes to this subject, as I have been watching long enough to know you aren't spinning tales.

However I am not certain that is the plane from the video I watched. I am hoping someone i will recognize my description and post a link because I am having trouble finding it. It looked from the video that these 2 planes must be harriers because they were literally just hovering stationary over an airfield at what I would guess was just a few hundred feet, then swapping places laterally. I will keep searching and see if I can find it. It's quite possible I even saw it in an Aircraft section thread but I believe it was on Reddit.

A slightly better description is that it kind of looked like these 2 jets were dancing over the airfield.

a reply to: sputniksteve

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BassPlayer was being rather sarcastic.

The "Silver Bug" though DOES have the
maneuverability of the Falcon and I should
note that not even Zaphod58 will admit to
BassPlayer of what I speak about the
"Silver Bug".......even though BassPlayer
had/has some considerable clearances!

Can you say really high-end SAP/CAP ???

a reply to: sputniksteve

Yak-38. They were rehearsing for the 92 Moscow airshow and his engine failed.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Zaph that sounds like it would be a fair description of what I am trying to explain. I am not finding any videos for that incident at all. Have you seen the clip I am mentioning?

Woah. 92?? If that was what was possible in 1992, then I need to step quietly back out of this thread and go back to lurking. That wouldn't even be considered modern conventional anymore would it?


Hmm, even with your exact description in Google I am not turning up anything at all. Not even a description of the event let alone the video I watched.

a reply to: sputniksteve

You may be thinking of this aircraft the F-35-B model
for the Marine Corps or the F-35-C model for the Navy's
carrier operations.

www.youtube.com...

or possible this REALLY OLD film from1970:

www.youtube.com...

...OR... the Sikorsky S-97 Raider:

www.youtube.com...

or the V22 Osprey:

www.youtube.com...

...OR....

was it this one:

www.youtube.com...

or

this one:

www.youtube.com...

Go to 10:45 to see it take-off!

or...my favorite:

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: sputniksteve

Date: 28-JUL-1992
Time:
Type: Yakovlev Yak-38 Forger
Owner/operator: Yak Aircraft Corporation
Registration: 15
C/n / msn: 15-03
Fatalities: Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 1
Other fatalities: 0
Airplane damage: Written off (damaged beyond repair)
Location: Moskva-Zhukovsky (Ramenskoye) Airport - Russia
Phase: Manoeuvring (airshow, firefighting, ag.ops.)
Nature: Military
Departure airport:
Destination airport:
Narrative:
Crashed during a rehearsal for the MosAeroshow '92. The pilot was ejected when the airplane suffered an engine flame out while hovering in close formation.

aviation-safety.net...

youtu.be...

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: sputniksteve

Date: 28-JUL-1992
Time:
Type: Yakovlev Yak-38 Forger
Owner/operator: Yak Aircraft Corporation
Registration: 15
C/n / msn: 15-03
Fatalities: Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 1
Other fatalities: 0
Airplane damage: Written off (damaged beyond repair)
Location: Moskva-Zhukovsky (Ramenskoye) Airport - Russia
Phase: Manoeuvring (airshow, firefighting, ag.ops.)
Nature: Military
Departure airport:
Destination airport:
Narrative:
Crashed during a rehearsal for the MosAeroshow '92. The pilot was ejected when the airplane suffered an engine flame out while hovering in close formation.

aviation-safety.net...

youtu.be...

Cool thank you, I believe this is the one I am referring to but it was a much longer video showing a bunch of amazing menuevers prior to the crash, a lot more clear, and seemingly from a more perpendicular angle.

Either way this is it I appreciate it.

Stargate: I will look at those just for fun, first I have to build the most awesome train track ever built for my son.

a reply to: sputniksteve

That's the first one that pulled up on my phone. There should be a longer version somewhere.

Only Silver bug I know of.

originally posted by: Blackfinger
Only Silver bug I know of.

yeah uh...i wouldnt look too deep into stargates proclamations

Yeah some serious performance issues and stability problems with that program.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR

originally posted by: Blackfinger
Only Silver bug I know of.

yeah uh...i wouldnt look too deep into stargates proclamations

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Can I be colloquial and just say "Ask Zaphod58"
and see if you get a wink wink nod nod about "Silver Bug"?

I am unfortunately not familiar with every programme
he has been part of but I am familiar with a FEW of them.
I suspect he knows much more than he is technically allowed to let on....

I should note that only I call it the "Silver Bug",
as that name just stuck in my head and it is NOT
the Avro Air Car!

What I saw on video really DID look a lot like a
larger version of the X-24 or X-38 but with the
rear side-stabilizer structures not so pronounced!
It's colour was all silver-grey aluminum with
utterly AMAZING maneuverability.

The crazy thing is, I vaguely REMEMBER making
a copy of that video on a Betacam SP tape
and while I remember seeing only about
15 seconds worth, I also vaguely remember
that the footage ID label said it actually
filled up an entire 20 minute BetaSP tape.

The footage is from a chase plane and based
upon the cockpit, I am going to say the chase plane
was possibly an F5E based upon some google searches.
I am also going to say the "Silver Bug" was twisting and
turning over top of cumulus cloud cover
at fantastic rates of roll, pitch and yaw.

AND....I MAY be able to offer video proof
of what I saw if I can find my tape which
is possibly stored in one of X number of
storage locations!

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Regarding the AvroCar, if they had done what
the Germans did in the 1940's with their Flugekreisel:

See link:
www.jacquesfortier.com...

and put TWO counter-rotating turbine-blades
running as a ring near the OUTSIDE EDGE of the
craft with the pilot or crew in a centre-carraige,
the stability problems would have went away!

They could have also put a RUBBER SKIRT around
the outside edge of the AVROCAR and they would
have invented a modern air-cushion hovercraft
about 10 years early!

Using a more descriptive illustration, take a Volvo Penta
Duo-Prop stern drive, and turn it vertical and make
it about 40 feet in diameter and use a flatter-pitch
or even a variable pitch blade configuration but keep
the counter-rotating aspect of the system and VOILA,
you have a much-reduced instability issue!

Example of counter-rotating blade configuration:
www.volvopenta.com...

Counter rotating props were used on late WW2 Spitfires.Only used as a way to get past the limit on ordinary prop thrust.Not a new idea,patented in 1909 but due to weight of gearbox and heavier prop and only 6 to 18% increase in performance it sorta cancels itself out.Anything Luft46 is skeptical at best.Germans were fairly good at recording things so any flights would have been filmed.

a reply to: Blackfinger

Yeah, and hovercraft were around before the Avrocar.
But never mind that.