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posted on Aug, 31 2016 @ 12:12 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: BigTrain

Our legacy fleet is incapable of penetrating a modern defense system, and the newest Sukhoi family will handle the F-15s and F-16s with their airframe problems as well as with the new missiles and EW equipment on them. The B-52 is a missile truck that stays far away from defenses until they've been whittled down significantly. Even in Iraq they kept the B-52s clear for the first few days of the invasion and lobbed missiles at targets. We've proven we can dominate older defenses, but haven't gone up against even the S300 in trained hands.

Seeing a bunch of F-15s and B-52s that you know you can hurt badly with your current weapons, and dominate with your next generation of weapons, flying around doesn't do anything. Seeing a next generation platform flying around that you know nothing about sends a totally different message, regardless of your opinion.


Zap didnt we train against s-300s with Greece? detected the f-22 out at 25 miles when it was In active stealth mode. Also the engagement height is a killer for the S-300 depending on surrounding land. Since its zone is above 80 ft.




posted on Aug, 31 2016 @ 12:17 PM
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a reply to: yuppa

They've trained against them but that's nowhere near the same as fighting them.



posted on Aug, 31 2016 @ 12:35 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: yuppa

They've trained against them but that's nowhere near the same as fighting them.


True but in a Active ESM environ i think we have the advantage since LASM's and the new haarms outside their engagement/detection zone can hit them in their blind spots.



posted on Aug, 31 2016 @ 12:48 PM
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a reply to: yuppa

We do, with LO platforms. With legacy platforms their engagement range expands exponentially. It's not impossible to take them out with legacy platforms but the degree of difficulty goes way up.
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posted on Aug, 31 2016 @ 05:47 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: yuppa

We do, with LO platforms. With legacy platforms their engagement range expands exponentially. It's not impossible to take them out with legacy platforms but the degree of difficulty goes way up.


True. Well i wasnt really thinking about our legacy fleet taking them on anyway. the F-35 should be good enough to get well within strike range and still avoid the S-300 target basket.



posted on Aug, 31 2016 @ 05:59 PM
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Unless something pretty drastic changes the Air Force is in serious trouble. If you know what you're looking at it's been obvious for years. An opinion piece on War on the Rocks raises a really good point.

In the 90s, the Air Force was all about Air Dominance, or causing so many losses to your enemy they no longer have a force capable of opposing you.

About 10 years ago it was Air Supremecy, or the airspace over the battlefield was safe enough for your less capable platforms to operate with little risk, even though the enemy forces were still fairly intact.

Now, it's all about Air Superiority, or the ability to operate over a battlefield with acceptable losses.

warontherocks.com...



posted on Aug, 31 2016 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Wichita should help with that though.



posted on Aug, 31 2016 @ 10:10 PM
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a reply to: BASSPLYR

Even if these unknown aircraft can help in these situations, do we have them in the numbers to really matter?

Honest question, I really do not know.

Winter



posted on Aug, 31 2016 @ 10:55 PM
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a reply to: Winterpain

Depends on the conflict.



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 02:32 AM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Winterpain

Depends on the conflict.


Ooooh, Operation Chrome Dome 2??



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 07:39 AM
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Do you think the Wichita will have a role in the NGAD family of system ?



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 11:33 AM
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a reply to: Forensick

DESTRO?? WHERE?



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 03:24 PM
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originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Zaphod58

Wichita should help with that though.


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I'm going to make a BOLD STATEMENT where aircraft are
UTTERLY IMPOTENT against air defences that are comprised
of the newest fully-automated vision-recognition systems
attached to powerful linear induction-based
kinetic energy weapons systems.

AND ALMOST ANY COUNTRY can have the technology!

Right here, right now I've got SOBEL-edge detection code
I designed myself...I can put into a GPU (Graphics Processsing Unit)
that costs less than $1500 and it can follow 65,536 objects PER SECOND
at 60 frames per second 4096x2160 pixels per frame, which is WAY BEYOND
the obsolete AEGIS system. I can attach my software to a super-capacitor
based rail gun system (a 30-foot/10 metre linear induction coil system
should work for 10,000 KPH steel darts) that can move around on a
full 180-degree hemispherical rotational basis.

if you want faster frame rates that can handle faster incoming objects,
then put in more $1500 GPU cards! It's THAT SIMPLE!!! For 10,000 FPS that
can handle objects coming in at hypersonic speeds of MORE THAN 10,000 KPH
then use the higher end $5000 GPU cards (about 20 should do it!) Do you want
extensive EMP/RFI-proofing then put the whole system in a mu-Metal
and Tungsten-plate cage or box! (that's only $25,000 to $50,000!)

Anyone who needs SOBEL edge detection source can have it right now!
Just ask me! Any group of pixels that goes a certain speed or follows a
certain pathway, just kill it with steel darts accelerated to
6000+ miles per hour (10,000 KPH)!

For FASTEST performance export the code to an
FPGA (Field Programmable Gate Array) for full
hardware acceleration at 1.5 GHZ
(i suggest a Xilinx Virtex 1.5 GHZ chip is about $6000)

So air defence with full vision recognition and rail guns trumps all !!!

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the simplified equation we use for a :

Energy (Joules) = 0.5 * Mass (kg) * Velocity (KPH)

For a 10 metre induction coil to work on a 2kg steel dart
where each linear induction coil is pulsed at 10,000 watts
for 0.10 to 0.33 seconds each.

Look at this page for some GREAT railigun physics calculations:
www.powerlabs.org...

Capacitor discharge physcis:
www.coilgun.info...

FAST Switching using Thyristor at nanosecond rates in order
to discharge the railgun capacitors in timed sequence
($75 to $5000 per switch depending upon discharge
times AND longevity):

Something similar to this company's offerings:
www.rossengineeringcorp.com...

www.coilgun.info...

So ANYONE can make this stuff if you can follow some plans
and know some C++ orJAVA or Delphi/Pascal coding!



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 03:32 PM
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a reply to: StargateSG7

And then the DIRCM system on the aircraft fires, blinding your super amazing unstoppable missile.
edit on 9/1/2016 by Zaphod58 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 04:36 PM
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Stargate your post are very so long , why at each time you make a lot of demonstration ? Its interesting but the subject explode in a lot of theory at each time.



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 04:55 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: StargateSG7

And then the DIRCM system on the aircraft fires, blinding your super amazing unstoppable missile.


DIRCM (Directional Infrared Counter Measures)
en.wikipedia.org...

are only effective if the PRIMARY detection system
is IR bands (700 nanometres - 430 THz) and in my
case I would use 60 GHZ, 30 GHZ, 10 and 5 GHZ SAR
using a single monolithic circuit (gallium arsenide/nitride circuits)
and if what DARPA says is true I can even use UV over-the-horizon
not only as an optical communications system but as a DETECTION
system too which can be input to my edge detection software,
vectorization and fuzzy logic object comparison system.

The key is to run the SAR sampling rates at a large enough
frame size (4096x2160 pixels) and fast enough frame rate
(10,000 FPS for hypersonic vehicles) that I can detect
ENOUGH pixel movement that my detection software
will find and track it for targeting and fire control.

A technique for pixel tracking is something
pioneered by Canon (Dual Pixel Auto-focus)
which uses a combination of SOBEL edge detection
and Luminance AND CHROMA phase-detection
to find faces for focusing. Using the SAME
technique, I just apply it to SAR data.

Instead of optical pixels, I can using
5GHZ to 60 GHZ and UV sensors to examine
SAR (Synthetic Aperture Radar) samples
to detect edge-ringing and pixel-group
growth/shrinkage so I can figure what is
moving inwards to me or away from me
and determine what is NOT a moving object
resembling a plane, rocket or other vehicle.


Then it's just math to figure out previous, current
and possible missile/object trajectories which
I then do fire-control upon as I compare
ALL the 5 GHZ to 60 GHZ samples to
find out which is a counter/blinding signal,
which is terrain feature and which is
an aircraft, incoming missile or ground
vehicle and then I fire on those object
and/or the area where the detected
emissions come from.

I've got that software RIGHT NOW ---- ON MY DESK !!!!!
We've already been doing rail-gun work and we can
shrink it down to a portable system that can shoot
a two-kilogram steel dart at 10,000 KPH using
super-capacitors, pulsed 10,000 watt EM coils
and a 120 KW generator in a package not much
bigger than a 40ft container!


edit on 2016/9/1 by StargateSG7 because: sp

edit on 2016/9/1 by StargateSG7 because: sp



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 05:00 PM
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originally posted by: darksidius
Stargate your post are very so long , why at each time you make a lot of demonstration ? Its interesting but the subject explode in a lot of theory at each time.


---

My posts are long becuase OTHERS in the future
may want to make sense of subject matter that
is usually the area of electronics and aerospace
experts and since Internet links keep dying
or get moved sometime one must INCLUDE
all the relevant data in the post itself.

My primary expertise is
specialty Video Systems
so I thought it might be nice
to explain things in greater detail
for future reference purposes.



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 05:04 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

You have valid points Zaphod but they're rooted more in fear than reality.

The USA spends 600B+ a year in defense that we know of. If we spend that much, and the USAF would still be in trouble, as you say, then somebody is getting way way way more bang for their buck than we are, wouldn't you say?



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 05:05 PM
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a reply to: StargateSG7

If there is an optical component it can be blinded. And once it's blinded your amazing super missile that just rendered aircraft obsolete is rendered useless.

It never ceases to amaze me how you've managed to come up with all these super weapons, and yet, they never seem to even be in the development phase. Why is that?



posted on Sep, 1 2016 @ 05:07 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: StargateSG7

If there is an optical component it can be blinded. And once it's blinded your amazing super missile that just rendered aircraft obsolete is rendered useless.

It never ceases to amaze me how you've managed to come up with all these super weapons, and yet, they never seem to even be in the development phase. Why is that?


Development Phase? ---- They're ALREADY DONE!

You've Already Bought Them.... :-) ;-)



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