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originally posted by: kosmicjack
It just goes to show that the moralists pick and choose which "freedoms" are suitable to their agenda.
originally posted by: beezzer
But people should be allowed to freely assemble in a public arena and express themselves as they see fit.
Unless they disagree with you, however.
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
YOU are the one who doesn't support the freedom for a woman to have autonomy over her own body.
originally posted by: beezzer
I don't care what a woman does with HER body.
It's what a person does with ANOTHER body is what I have issue with.
originally posted by: beezzer
I am seeing this much on this thread.
I believe in free speech, but. . .
I believe in the 1st Amendment, but. . .
I believe in the right to protest, but. . .
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
And if there's a foreign body IN her body? She shouldn't have the right to have it removed?
1. If abortion became illegal, how would it be enforced? What should happen to the women who got an illegal abortion?
2. Since you want the government making our reproductive decisions, would it be OK with you if the government imposed a law stating that we can only have one child?
originally posted by: sheepslayer247
a reply to: beezzer
I'm talking about personal choices and decisions, Beez. Not policy or politics.
For example: Let's say I work with a guy named Joe. Joe is very vocal about abortion and protests the local abortion clinic. Each weekend he stands on the sidewalk telling women that they are morally wrong. Yet, Joe is an alcoholic, or an addict, or an adulterer or perhaps he likes to beat his wife and kids. Whatever...you get the point.
Isn't that hypocritical of him? While he may have the right to do what he is doing, wouldn't an honest person be a bit introspective and realize they have no moral high ground? What does is take for people to realize that we all have issues of some sort and it's dishonest to blast other's for their's.
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
You are saying that you believe in freedom, BUT you believe a woman should be forced by the government to have a child, even if she doesn't want it. You are projecting.
originally posted by: beezzer
As for what Joe believes or doesn't believe?
It's none of my damned business.
originally posted by: beezzer
I believe in personal responsibility.
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: beezzer
As for what Joe believes or doesn't believe?
It's none of my damned business.
Exactly. If a woman believes that abortion is a viable way to handle and unwanted pregnancy it's none of your business. If a woman believes she should have the right to make choices about her body, it's none of your business. Since you're male, abortion is no more your business than vasectomy or circumcision is mine.
originally posted by: beezzer
You see an unborn child as a group of cells or a tumor or whatever.
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: beezzer
I believe in personal responsibility.
I do, too. I believe each person should act with responsibility. The line comes in at LEGISLATING personal responsibility. Do you believe in LEGISLATING personal responsibility?
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: beezzer
You see an unborn child as a group of cells or a tumor or whatever.
NO I DO NOT! Stop telling me what I think. I see a pregnancy as a precious baby, alive and with the potential to grow into a human being. I have been pregnant. I would never have an abortion.
BUT I BELIEVE IN FREEDOM! Even though I disagree. I believe in the freedom for others to choose to act, based on what THEY believe. You cannot say the same. You impose YOUR beliefs on others.
originally posted by: beezzer
But I believe abortion is murder.
So you are saying that if a person kills another person, then we should just shut up?
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
You're wrong. Murder is a legal term and abortion is not murder. If it were, it would be illegal, because murder is illegal.