U.S. Supreme Court removes buffer zones from abortion clinic protestors

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Logarock

Ok Mr. Compassion, let's remove Abortions. How many newborns will we find dumped in trash bins??? How many neglected and abused children will we then have and who's going to take care of them??? You gonna take them in to your home and feed them all and raise them???

Well you are certainly not going to worry about that at any rate are you? And most of these compassion killings end up in the trash bin anyway, out behind the clinic or somewhere. This country certainly doesn't lack the ability to take care of these in one way or another. Just look at how our current administration is helping out kids down at the border. Anything organic to this nation is fair game for another sort of "compassion".

originally posted by: Logarock
Well you are certainly not going to worry about that at any rate are you? And most of these compassion killings end up in the trash bin anyway, out behind the clinic or somewhere. This country certainly doesn't lack the ability to take care of these in one way or another. Just look at how our current administration is helping out kids down at the border. Anything organic to this nation is fair game for another sort of "compassion".

You think so??? I'm sure to you I'm just another God Hater who's out to destroy all the little babies, right??? Well you're wrong. I do worry about it, which is exactly why I chose not to have kids at all. I also worry about those who are born in to a world that doesn't care whether they die in the street, are beat and abused by their parents or used as cannon fodder to line the pockets of some corporation who also happens to be poisoning their air, water and food as well.

The difference is my compassion is much more broad and includes the bigger picture. I'm not advocating we should kill all the unborn children everywhere like some mad man. But I'm also not naive enough to think that they're all going to be born into a world that welcomes them either. I actually care enough to understand the sad reality that many of them are better off not being born rather than being born into a world that only serves to kill them off slowly like some kind of sick civil torture.

I just don't know about this. It just feels like the U.S. is going backwards.

a reply to: kosmicjack

By not putting restrictions on protesters (in this case abortion) it is restoring rights. Not going backwards.

Everyone here hates free speech zones.

Everyone here hates restrictions on rights.

Yet when it comes to abortion, then rights CAN be restricted?

I guess I'm not getting it.

a reply to: mOjOm

Have children. Folks that know the dark side of being abused, neglected and marginalized make some of the greatest parents. Your children may be very lucky having you watching out for them.

a reply to: kosmicjack

That's because we ARE going backwards!!! We're segregating schools again. Removing Freedom of Choice. Replacing the Rule of Law with Religious Law. Legalizing Discrimination. Etc.

This country and it's people have lost there damn minds!!! Most likely because they have been trained not to use them anymore and simply to follow orders and authority. Whether that authority comes from a Bible, Commercial TV, a Corporate Mouth Piece, or Political Scumbag, doesn't matter even, just as long as nobody tries to think for themselves.

a reply to: Logarock

Thank you, honestly. I've thought of that too, I really have. But I'm not exactly young anymore, although I could still have kids if I wanted, but I just don't think it's a good idea.

Maybe, just maybe, even as bad as things are now, if they looked like they might get better in the future, then I'd think about it. But to me it looks like things are going to get even worse before they get better and I don't think I have the ability to raise a child in that environment correctly. I literally have trouble getting just myself through it from one day to the next. To drag an innocent child through it with me would probably destroy me with guilt should anything go wrong.

a reply to: mOjOm


You are very welcome.

a reply to: Aleister

It's about time! Freedom means freedom to protest anywhere in public, as long as you aren't blocking off doors, or interfering with traffic, etc. These "free speech zones" and "buffer zones" are not Constitutional.

Alright, for all those claiming that these protesters are "attacking", "assaulting", "spitting", "screaming", "berating", "name-calling", etc.; prove it. Show the videos. Every single such protest I have seen was quiet, peaceful, and respectful.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Here is a funny one where the protesters are protesting at a place which doesn't even have abortion services.



Love the Baby killer sign....



That guy appears to be shouting at women.



Disgusting a poor guy and his wife go in because the baby inside will be born still born they they shouted at her, the Father decides to give them a piece of his mind.

It will get worse because of the distance they can be within and more people will be offended and attacked physically and then the protesters will cry saying they are being persecuted (Pfft).
I guess they will be treated more like the west borough baptist church and be moved on by communities whom think sod the law we don't want these type of anti christian people bothering women.

a reply to: boymonkey74

I stated clearly,

Alright, for all those claiming that these protesters are "attacking", "assaulting", "spitting", "screaming", "berating", "name-calling", etc.; prove it. Show the videos. Every single such protest I have seen was quiet, peaceful, and respectful.

What you posted for videos wasn't any of that.

The first is a debate, fairly civil all considered, between two protesters, from the opposing sides. Nothing "funny" about it.

The second is a man speaking loudly to passersby, and perhaps drivers, about what he believes. He isn't shouting at anyone going into a clinic, as far as we can see. Loud protests aren't abusive. Pretty much any group that protests gets loud at times.

The third is some guy harassing the protesters, not them harassing anyone. He's rude, and arrogant, and verbally abusive. Plus, his assumption that the baby is "deformed" could easily be a mistake. Amniocentesis is the usual test people rely on for that, and it's frequently wrong. Yes, his behavior is disgusting. The protesters were polite, even in the face of his rudeness.

Anyone else want to try?

So, nothing at all like I asked for. I really didn't expect there to be. Never seen any such thing, from any pro-life protest.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Wow you think this type of behaviour is ok.
How Christian of you.
Like I said I just expect this ruling to do nothing but make more confrontations from both sides.
Anti abortionists guess what you can not make a woman have a baby.
Or please try and tell me how you would.
The places the people are protesting at are good places to learn about sexual education and birth control which lowers unwanted pregnancies.
You are protesting against education and should be ashamed of yourselves.
So again how are you going to stop abortion? even If you made it illegal it would still go on but many more woman would die because backstreet abortions do not go well.
Also If made illegal what should you do with people whom have an abortion?.




To me the video proves one thing All these protesters are judging when it is not their job...let the woman and her god sort it out.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Alright, for all those claiming that these protesters are "attacking", "assaulting", "spitting", "screaming", "berating", "name-calling", etc.; prove it. Show the videos. Every single such protest I have seen was quiet, peaceful, and respectful.

Why bother with videos when you can just pull the info right from Wiki ??

United States - Murders

In the U.S., violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eight people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort.[8][9]

- March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of 1992. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Gunn's murder and was sentenced to life in prison. [10]

- July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside another facility, the Ladies Center, in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings. Hill received a death sentence and was executed on September 3, 2003. The clinic in Pensacola had been bombed before in 1984 and was also bombed subsequently in 2012.

- December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi was arrested and confessed to the killings. He died in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings.

- January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the crime and received two life sentences as a result.

- October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death with a high-powered rifle at his home in Amherst, New York.[11] His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Slepian's murder after being apprehended in France in 2001.

- May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed by Scott Roeder as Tiller served as an usher at a church in Wichita, Kansas.[12]

United States - Attempted murder, assault, and kidnapping

According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.[13] Attempted murders in the U.S. included:[8][14][15]

- August 19, 1993: Dr. George Tiller was shot outside of an abortion facility in Wichita, Kansas. Shelley Shannon was charged with the crime and received an 11-year prison sentence (20 years were later added for arson and acid attacks on clinics).

- July 29, 1994: June Barret was shot in the same attack which claimed the lives of James Barrett, her husband, and Dr. John Britton.

- December 30, 1994: Five individuals were wounded in the shootings which killed Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols.

- October 28, 1997: Dr. David Gandell of Rochester, New York was injured by flying glass when a shot was fired through the window of his home.[16]

- January 29, 1998: Emily Lyons, a nurse, was severely injured, and lost an eye, in the bombing which also killed Robert Sanderson.

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United States - Arson, bombing, and property crime

According to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs").[13] The New York Times also cites over one hundred clinic bombings and incidents of arson, over three hundred invasions, and over four hundred incidents of vandalism between 1978 and 1993.[17] The first clinic arson occurred in Oregon in March 1976 and the first bombing occurred in February 1978 in Ohio.[18] Incidents have included:

- May 26, 1983: Joseph Grace set the Hillcrest clinic in Norfolk, Virginia ablaze. He was arrested while sleeping in his van a few blocks from the clinic when an alert patrol officer noticed the smell of kerosene. [19]

- May 12, 1984: Two men entered a Birmingham, Alabama clinic shortly after a lone woman opened the doors at 7:45 am. Forcing their way into the clinic, one of the men threatened the woman if she tried to prevent the attack while the other, wielding a sledgehammer, did between $7,500 and $8,000 of damage to suction equipment. The man who damaged the equipment was later identified as Father Edward Markley. Father Markley is a Benedictine Monk who was the Birmingham diocesan "Coordinator for Pro-Life Activities". Markley was convicted of first-degree criminal mischief and second-degree burglary. His accomplice has never been identified. Following the Birmingham incident, Markley entered the Women's Community Health Center in Huntsville Alabama, assaulting at least three clinic workers. One of the workers, Kathryn Wood received back injuries and a broken neck vertebrae. Markley was convicted of first-degree criminal mischief and three counts of third-degree assault and harassment in the Huntsville attack.[20]

- December 25, 1984: An abortion clinic and two physicians' offices in Pensacola, Florida, were bombed in the early morning of Christmas Day by a quartet of young people (Matt Goldsby, Jimmy Simmons, Kathy Simmons, Kaye Wiggins) who later called the bombings "a gift to Jesus on his birthday."[21][22][23] The clinic, the Ladies Center, would later be the site of the murder of Dr. John Britton and James Barrett in 1994 and a firebombing in 2012.

- March 29, 1993: Blue Mountain Clinic in Missoula, Montana; at around 1 a.m., an arsonist snuck onto the premises and firebombed the clinic. The perpetrator, a Washington man, was ultimately caught, convicted and imprisoned. The facility was a near-total loss, but all of the patients' records, though damaged, survived the fire in metal file cabinets.[24][25][26]

- May 21, 1998: Three people were injured when acid was poured at the entrances of five abortion clinics in Miami, Florida.[27]

- October 1999: Martin Uphoff set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, causing US$100 worth of damage. He was later sentenced to 60 months in prison.[28]

- May 28, 2000: An arson at a clinic in Concord, New Hampshire, resulted in several thousand dollars' worth of damage. The case remains unsolved.[29][30][31] This was the second arson at the clinic.[32]

- September 30, 2000: John Earl, a Catholic priest, drove his car into the Northern Illinois Health Clinic after learning that the FDA had approved the drug RU-486. He pulled out an ax before being forced to the ground by the owner of the building, who fired two warning shots from a shotgun.[33]

- June 11, 2001: An unsolved bombing at a clinic in Tacoma, Washington, destroyed a wall, resulting in $6,000 in damages.[28][34]

- July 4, 2005: A clinic Palm Beach, Florida, was the target of an arson. The case remains open.[28]

- December 12, 2005: Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe threw a Molotov cocktail at a clinic in Shreveport, Louisiana. The device missed the building and no damage was caused. In August 2006, Hughes was sentenced to six years in prison, and Dunahoe to one year. Hughes claimed the bomb was a "memorial lamp" for an abortion she had had there.[35] September 11, 2006 David McMenemy of Rochester Hills, Michigan, crashed his car into the Edgerton Women's Care Center in Davenport, Iowa. He then doused the lobby in gasoline and started a fire. McMenemy committed these acts in the belief that the center was performing abortions; however, Edgerton is not an abortion clinic.[36] Time magazine listed the incident in a "Top 10 Inept Terrorist Plots" list.[37]

- April 25, 2007: A package left at a women's health clinic in Austin, Texas, contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death. A bomb squad detonated the device after evacuating the building. Paul Ross Evans (who had a criminal record for armed robbery and theft) was found guilty of the crime.[38]

- May 9, 2007: An unidentified person deliberately set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Virginia Beach, Virginia.[39] December 6, 2007: Chad Altman and Sergio Baca were arrested for the arson of Dr. Curtis Boyd's clinic in Albuquerque. Baca's girlfriend had scheduled an appointment for an abortion at the clinic.[40][41]

- January 22, 2009 Matthew L. Derosia, 32, who was reported to have had a history of mental illness[42] rammed an SUV into the front entrance of a Planned Parenthood clinic in St. Paul, Minnesota.[43]

- January 1, 2012 Bobby Joe Rogers, 41, firebombed the American Family Planning Clinic in Pensacola, Florida, with a Molotov cocktail; the fire gutted the building. Rogers told investigators that he was motivated to commit the crime by his opposition to abortion, and that what more directly prompted the act was seeing a patient enter the clinic during one of the frequent anti-abortion protests there. The clinic had previously been bombed at Christmas in 1984 and was the site of the murder of Dr. John Britton and James Barrett in 1994.[44]

- April 1, 2012 A bomb exploded on the windowsill of a Planned Parenthood clinic in Grand Chute, Wisconsin, resulting in a fire that damaged one of the clinic's examination rooms. No injuries were reported.

- April 11, 2013 A Planned Parenthood clinic in Bloomington, Indiana, was vandalized with an axe.[45]

United States - Anthrax threats

The first hoax letters claiming to contain anthrax were mailed to U.S. clinics in October 1998, a few days after the Slepian shooting; since then, there have been 655 such bioterror threats made against abortion providers. None of the "anthrax" in these cases was real.[14][46]

- November 2001: After the genuine 2001 anthrax attacks, Clayton Waagner mailed hoax letters containing a white powder to 554 clinics. On December 3, 2003, Waagner was convicted of 51 charges relating to the anthrax scare.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Perhaps you've been living under a rock all these years ?

a reply to: beezzer

To over-simplify it like that may suit a political agenda but it's not realistic.

I bet most of the people supporting this reversal on abortion clinics will be the first ones seething when WBC gets that much closer to a soldier's funeral.

Cherry picking wedge issues is apparently more fun than exercising common sense.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Really? Holy Cow.

Yes, because we all know how peaceful abortion protesters can be. George Tiller's family knows all too well. As do those who were at Centennial Olympic Park in Atlanta on July. 27, 1996.

a reply to: boymonkey74

What behavior??? You didn't show ANY of the behavior that pro-abortion types CLAIM is shown by pro-life demonstrators. Your videos failed utterly in that regard.

Do I think having a discussion of your position with another protester is acceptable? Of course. Free speech is a right.

Do I believe demonstrating peacefully is acceptable? Yes, I do, and so does anyone else that believes in freedom, and personal rights.

Do I think the guy was a jerk? Yes. Did I notice that you CLAIM the women "yelled at" his wife, yet we have NO VIDEO of that? Oh, yeah.

You failed across the board to offer any of the evidence I requested, and now you want to deflect the conversation from that, and onto abortion itself? Nope, sorry, not playing. You didn't locate anything I asked for, and that means you lost that one.

As for judging, figure out what the Bible actually says on that, and then get back to me. It isn't what you think.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Do you want it illegal?.

a reply to: CranialSponge

None of the cases you cite were the result of actions by the typical pro-life protester. NONE. Pro-life people condemned those killings, across the board. They are very rare and extreme cases. They are not cases of spitting, screaming at, assaulting, etc, by typical protesters. THAT is what many are claiming will happen, and that isn't shown by these isolated cases.

I can easily pull up cases of pro-abortion people attacking pro-lifers, however.



















Pro-life woman hospitalized after terrifying attack by knife-wielding man at Life Chain

Why Do “Pro-Choice” People Attack Moms Who Don’t Want to Abort Disabled Babies?

Pro-Choice Attack in Albuquerque

EXCLUSIVE: Pro-life teen defiant after alleged attack by feminist professor

sometimes, the pro-abortion folks kill to push their point of view:

John Baxter Hamilton, Abortionist and Wife-Killer

Ohio Teen Charged With Murder, Killed Girlfriend's Baby After Abortion Refusal

The Deborah Evans Case

A pregnant teenager is shot while riding the bus to school

Pro-Life Protester Shot and Killed

Here is a detailed paper on Pro Choice Violence.

So, I can prove pro-abortion protesters are violent. They assault people, they scream, they even spit; all the things CLAIMED against pro-life protesters. I can even list deaths by pro-choice folks, against pro-life folks. Still want to take that route?

originally posted by: CranialSponge
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Perhaps you've been living under a rock all these years ?

Perhaps you have? The vast majority of the violence here is from pro-abortionists. I didn't even have to hunt to locate all these cases. I can easily find many, many more.

Maybe you miss your rock now.