Malaysian military radar data on MH370 wrong, says report

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posted on Jul, 31 2014 @ 06:38 AM
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a reply to: theabsolutetruth




Some people are just looking for a government conspiracy and are refusing to listen to the facts from Inmarsat, instead inventing their own theories based on media speculation and inaccurate information from the likes of the Malaysian authorities.


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It was Chairman of the JACC Angus Houston who declared after careful examination of the radar data JACC had concluded the Malaysian radar imagery was wrong.

So let me get this straight, you are now declaring the JACC are conspiracy theorists right?



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posted on Jul, 31 2014 @ 06:49 AM
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Lesson 101: Basic Laws of Physics




originally posted by: Psynic

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: aLLeKs
Ok, seriously after 4!! months they find out, that the radar data is wrong?
It didn't take them 4 months, I think it took less than a week to figure that out. Maybe you've been asleep for the last 4 months if you missed it, but it was widely known by the middle of March that the altitudes on the Malaysian military radar had to be wrong because it showed an altitude that was above the plane's maximum ceiling.

Here's an article from March 14:
www.businessinsider.com...-5323af22eab8e a03111ad617

After falling off of civilian radar, radar signals from the Malaysian military appear to show the Boeing 777 climbing above the plane's maximum ceiling to 45,000 feet


45,000' is NOT above the B777 "Maximum Ceiling", only it's 'Maximum Service Ceiling' of just over 43,100'. Contrary to your statement, the MH370 was capable of reaching the altitude of 45,000' and therefore the radar was NOT "widely known to be wrong' on that basis.

The radar determined altitudes were reported to be 'inaccurate' but they were never declared utterly false, until now.

Good thread aLLeKs.



No heavily laden B777 on earth will climb to 45,000ft with 239 POB, 4 tonnes of freight and fuel to fly 6.2 hours. Don't ya just love it how these armchair experts who've never flown anything more than a flight simulator know everything?

Service ceiling by definition is that altitude where an aircraft can only climb at 100 feet per minute. Beyond this the rate diminishes quickly to zero and the maximum cruise speed converges with stall speed so no matter how much you push the aircraft will no longer climb.

Assuming a climb rate of 100 fpm between 43,100ft and 45,000ft (which is an overly generous wrong assumption anyway) that would require a whopping 19 minutes (not counting time required to climb from 35,000ft to 43,100ft.
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posted on Jul, 31 2014 @ 06:54 AM
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LAWS of PHYSICS (Radar Horizon)



Radar at Surat Thani in thailand could not see an aircraft over Kota Bharu below 37,000ft due to curvature of the earth.

That is not something which I made up. It is based on laws of physics.



The claim radar from Thailand saw MH370 flew west over Malaysia is a hoax



posted on Jul, 31 2014 @ 07:13 AM
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Straits of Malacca

Radar Image Hoax



On 14 March, RMAF chief General Tan Sri Rodzali Daud declared MH370 was seen on radar by RMAF Butterworth flying this route IGARI-VAMPI-GIVAL-IGREX:



Then on 21 march Malaysian consular officials gave a presentation to relatives of victims at the Lido hotel Beijing in which they were shown this image which Malaysia said was a radar image from Butterworth showing the track of MH370 flying Penang-VAMPI-MEKAR:



This image besides conflicting with previous claims about the alleged route, also failed to show other aircraft known to be present at the same time which I have overlaid:



But more damning is the fact the Lido Hotel image wasn't even from a military radar...

RMAF uses a French Thales Raytheon GM400 radar. There are three identical GM400 radars in Malaysia. the others are located at Kota Bharu and Kuantan, neither of which saw MH370 turn west. In fact the radar at Kuantan covers IGARI and did not see the fictional reverse turn from IGARI at all.

This is what the screen of a real Thales Raytheon GM400 looks like:



...and this is another screen from a GM400 at an air show in North Africa:



They have no resemblance to these screens from Malaysia's civilian SSR radar system:





The claim radar spotted MH370 flying west is a pure fairy tale.

There is no radar evidence

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posted on Jul, 31 2014 @ 10:41 AM
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If I understand what your saying, could this mean the A/C went down at it's last and most easterly recorded position?

If so, once again, where's the debris?

Was the evidence vaccuumed up while the worlds attention was focussed on a spot in the Southern Indian Ocean?



posted on Jul, 31 2014 @ 06:48 PM
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originally posted by: Psynic
a reply to: sy.gunson

If I understand what your saying, could this mean the A/C went down at it's last and most easterly recorded position?

If so, once again, where's the debris?

Was the evidence vaccuumed up while the worlds attention was focussed on a spot in the Southern Indian Ocean?


That is called a Strawman hypothesis.

YOU invent something which I did not say and then attack that.



posted on Jul, 31 2014 @ 07:54 PM
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If all the evidence for a flight west is false, the product of a hoax claim prepared for the Malaysian government by Ketchum PR consultants (who also dreamed up bogus claims for the Russian government to blame the Ukraine and western governments for the MH17 tragedy) then what scenario are you left with for MH370?

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MH370 was sighted by the oil rig worker Mike McKay. A friend of mine Denise Wong has corresponded with McKay since the loss of MH370. In unpublished correspondence McKay added the flames he saw were bright orange and down the left hand side from his vantage. he was a mud rigger engineer therefore in the middle of production drilling when he saw it and not able to check the time, or see a clock.



I do not believe MH370 crashed in the sea off Vietnam. I accept the JACC conclusion that MH370 went down along the Southern Arc. I accept the JACC conclusion that MH370 suffered decompression and flew a straight path on autopilot at 35,000ft.

I believe the BOF chart inverts the data as a result of a re-transmission error and that the Exner BOF chart is correct

At the start of his email oil rig worker Mike McKay said he believed he saw the aircraft that came down, but that was because media were proclaiming MH370 had actually gone down somewhere off the coast of Vietnam.

He was conforming to what other people were telling him, but in the email he specifically said when he saw the aircraft it was still in one piece and still kept flying.

Mike McKay the oil rig worker said the aircraft did not deviate but kept flying after the flames extinguished:

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posted on Jul, 31 2014 @ 08:57 PM
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Electrical power interruption plus ACARS log on requests do not imply pilot suicide, or hijacking.

Boeing 777 aircraft are engineered to self regenerate systems after catastrophic power failure without any human intervention.

Here's a non-exhaustive bunch of electrical failures to Boeing 777 and Boeing 787 aircraft including some with transponder failures & cockpit smoke.

Japan Airlines Boeing 787-800 diverted with electrical problems, registration JA832J performing flight JAL442 Domodedovo to Narita with 144 passengers and 10 crew, was en-route FL410, 2:15 hours into the flight when the crew descended the aircraft to FL400, turned around reporting electrical problems and system failures, returned to Moscow.

American B772 over Caribbean on February 17th 2013, electrical problems: American Airlines Boeing 777-200, registration N760AN performing flight AA-907 from Miami to Sao Paulo (Brazil), was en-route at FL350 near Port au Prince (Haiti) when the crew received a multitude of system failure messages including intermittent failure messages regarding the left hand electrical DC bus and the forward outflow valve.

Air India Boeing 787-800 cockpit electrical failure, registration VT-ANJ performing flight AI301 from Melbourne to Delhi at FL380 about 20nm north of Kuala Lumpur suffered electrical failure, loss of all flight management computers.

THY B773 near Toronto on Jan 16th 2014, unreliable air data: THY Turkish Airlines Boeing 777-300, registration TC-JJI performing flight TK-18 from Toronto to Istanbul with 307 people on board, was climbing out of Toronto when numerous air data systems failed.

Air India B773 near Delhi on Mar 10th 2014, transponder failure: An Air India Boeing 777-300, registration VT-ALS performing flight AI-127 from Delhi (India) to Chicago O'Hare,IL (USA) with 313 passengers and 16 crew, was climbing out of Delhi when the crew stopped the climb at FL280 reporting a problem with the transponders.

Jet Airways B773 over Germany on Mar 13th 2014, loss of communication Jet Airways Boeing 777-300, registration VT-JEG performing flight 9W-117 from London Heathrow,EN (UK) to Mumbai (India), was enroute at FL330 over Netherlands being handed off to Germany near Münster (Germany), when Maastricht Upper Area Control informed Germany's DFS at 23:01L (22:01Z) that voice communication with the aircraft had been lost.

United B772 near Santo Domingo on Aug 26th 2012, partial loss of communication: United Airlines Boeing 777-200, registration N209UA performing flight UA-861 (dep Aug 25th) from Washington Dulles,DC (USA) to Sao Paulo Guarulhos (Brazil) enroute at FL350 over Atlantic 200nm north of Santo Domingo. Captain announced the aircraft had suffered a partial loss of the communication equipment and therefore returned to Washington

United B772 over Pacific 11 July 2014, transponder failure & smoke haze on board. United Boeing 777-200, registration N210UA performing flight UA-201 (dep Jul 10th) from Honolulu to Guam, with 335 passengers and 13 crew, enroute at FL350 over the Pacific Ocean about 300nm south SW of Midway. Multiple Nav Comm system failures in cockpit.

28 September 2013 outbound from Canada Transponder failure: LOT Polish Airlines Boeing 787-800, registration SP-LRA performing LOT42 from Toronto to Warsaw climbing out of Toronto when crew stopped the climb at FL270 due to transponder failure, but decided to continue across Greenland at FL270. Aircraft was about 130 nm west SW of Keflavik when crew diverted to Iceland.

28 September 2013 inbound to Canada Transponder failure: LOT Polish Airlines Boeing 787-800, registration SP-LRA performing flight LOT41 from Warsaw to Toronto, descending through 9,000 feet towards when approach control directed crew to use another transponder. ATC lost LOT41's tag on the radar screen and were not receiving any signal from their transponder.

...and as a bonus examples with other aircraft types

A321 cockpit electrical failure, en-route, Northern Sudan, 24 August 2010, an Airbus A321-200 operated by British Midland, loss of cockpit displays and un-commanded turns which vanished with de-selection of No.1 generator.

McDonnall Douglas DC-9 cockpit electrical failure, operated by Air Canada 2 June 1983, inflight fire actual electrical cause never identified. Knocked out cockpit instruments.



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 08:18 AM
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im really confused, what really happened with MH370 ? there's a lot of countries around the suspected disapperance and they all got military radars , why everyone keep silent on this ?

and then the MH17 again shot down in ukraine in suscipious manners ..

why Malaysian Airlines ? why Malaysia ?

is this some kind of 'sick' revenge toward malaysian because their goverment 'offended' someone important ?



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 12:29 PM
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originally posted by: buntalanlucu
im really confused, what really happened with MH370 ? there's a lot of countries around the suspected disapperance and they all got military radars , why everyone keep silent on this ?



To deprive hijackers of the publicity they were after.



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 11:50 PM
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originally posted by: Psynic

originally posted by: buntalanlucu
im really confused, what really happened with MH370 ? there's a lot of countries around the suspected disapperance and they all got military radars , why everyone keep silent on this ?



To deprive hijackers of the publicity they were after.




the most horrible terrorist incident in 9-11 was publicized like crazy by US goverment and used as their reason de entree for invading other nations..

why not this one ? it feels suspiciously like a false-flag operation gone bad..



posted on Aug, 3 2014 @ 01:10 AM
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originally posted by: buntalanlucu

and then the MH17 again shot down in ukraine in suscipious manners ..

why Malaysian Airlines ? why Malaysia ?


They both use the trident symbol...



posted on Aug, 3 2014 @ 01:11 AM
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originally posted by: buntalanlucu

originally posted by: Psynic

originally posted by: buntalanlucu
im really confused, what really happened with MH370 ? there's a lot of countries around the suspected disapperance and they all got military radars , why everyone keep silent on this ?



To deprive hijackers of the publicity they were after.






the most horrible terrorist incident in 9-11 was publicized like crazy by US goverment and used as their reason de entree for invading other nations..

why not this one ? it feels suspiciously like a false-flag operation gone bad..



MH370 differs from 9/11 because one of the two incidents IS a "false-flag operation gone bad".



posted on Nov, 7 2014 @ 09:13 PM
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a reply to: theabsolutetruth

This report comes not from conspiracy theorists, but from two Thales Raytheon radar engineers who are consultants to the Joint Agency Coordination Centre (JAC).

They could not be better informed. The two Malaysian military radar sites with coverage over IGARI were Khota Bharu and Kuantan. Both these radars were Thales Raytheon GM400 sets. You would think they know how to interpret their own data?

Are you seriously suggesting Thales Raytheon are conspiracy theorists?





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