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The Coming Caliphate who will it Love?

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posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 11:14 PM
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a reply to: LightningStrikesHere

You call these people misguided for worrying of the power of the enemy of us all...when they are exactly that. Our enemy.



and I take my religion from Muhammed Wa Aale Muhammed (saww) - since you want to know...
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posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 11:16 PM
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a reply to: deadeyedick

Am I the only one who had to look up Caliphate?



posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 11:17 PM
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originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: LightningStrikesHere

You call these people misguided for worrying of the power of the enemy of us all...when they are exactly that.



and I take my religion from Muhammed Wa Aale Muhammed - since you want to know...



What are you talking about!! ?

I am calling the khuaraij and takfri Muslims Misguided????

Who am I to pass judgment on people of other faith?

Its obvious your reading comprehension is lacking today.....



posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 11:18 PM
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a reply to: chrismarco

Theres no shame in that, but its happened many times throughout history. Please consider that you have been awakened to the lessons of history today.




posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 11:20 PM
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a reply to: LightningStrikesHere

The people in the thread who are worried about ISIS is who you were sitting and calling misguided - I simply called you out on it.

and you help the cause of ISIS every time you downplay the danger they present.
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posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 11:20 PM
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a reply to: BO XIAN

Islam is not monolithic at all, not even close.

People who are Muslims who have nothing to do with these nuts aren’t responsible for the deeds of these lunatics.

It could use some public relations help of course since people like ISIL defame the religion and that’s unfortunate but a fact.

People aren’t thinking about the reality that this terrorism is a modern phenomenon, and Muslims for 1400 years have been getting along fine for the most part with the world, though it has had conflicts like all people do.


Of course the colonialization of the Muslim world by European Christians didn’t help things.

Remember these EUROPEAN CHRISTIANS CONQUERED THEM AND MANY OTHERS SUCH AS THE NATIVE AMERICANS IN THE NAME OF CHRIST.

So I wouldn’t throw stones too far If I were you.

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posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 11:23 PM
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I can show you one US politician who'll love it:




posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 11:29 PM
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originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: LightningStrikesHere

The people in the thread who are worried about ISIS is who you were sitting and calling misguided - I simply called you out on it.

and you help the cause of ISIS every time you downplay the danger they present.




SUPANALLAH!! SHOW ME WHO I SAID WAS MISGUIDED? Are you serious??/
Do you even know who are khuaraij are ? And takfir Muslims are?

They are the ISIS Al queada Taliban ect act!

I never said people who are concerned about these groups are misguided!!

Please re read ! Everything I posted!



posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 11:34 PM
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We all should be afraid for these are real cultic lunatics.
Their brainwashed automatons that are dangerously misguided.

The good thing here is that if the US legitimately wants to fight this evil, something I have doubts about, it may be that ISIL, by bringing all their followers in a vast easy to find desert might be making themselves vulnerable to being wiped out in mass.

Believe me if and when those Shias get together, the US, NATO, UN, Turkey, the Kurds, Iran, and what's left of Iraq, ISIL may disappear from the face of the earth
God please!

The problem is that the US may not want to do that even-though they claim they do.

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posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 11:48 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

They have already proven this is not what they want...

sadly...



posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 11:51 PM
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a reply to: LightningStrikesHere

If I have misread you I apologize. I believed sincerely you were calling people in this thread misguided for being worried about ISIS - if I was wrong I do ask forgiveness.

That said...

You then went on to downplay the danger they present to all of us. saying oh that will never happen etc etc etc. Which only helps their cause because if you open your eyes you see it IS happening, right now.

They are, city by city... getting that caliphate they so desire. And once they have more banks and more money.. now about what 50 milllion they have now from their take over's of these cities and banks etc... they get more of what they want.

They are right this second achieving what others have only thought of... and they are a very real and present danger.

DO NOT listen to those who say that everything will be peachy.... it's NOT.
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posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 11:53 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

"EUROPEAN CHRISTIANS CONQUERED THEM" yes true,,,
so why do we have to do it again,,???



posted on Jun, 24 2014 @ 12:07 AM
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originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: Willtell

"EUROPEAN CHRISTIANS CONQUERED THEM" yes true,,,
so why do we have to do it again,,???


You would have to go back to Constantine 300 AD (history in mind fullness) and now in this age ask the present day Turks.



posted on Jun, 24 2014 @ 12:10 AM
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a reply to: OpinionatedB


As I stated to you in a message , I belong to a group of Muslims who study the umma(nation)
And we try to educate other Muslims involved with groups like the ISIS ect.

I have been diligently researching every aspect of the ISIS and I won't lie and say they arnt a threat .. Because they are.
However truthfully they are not a threat on a world scale. the umma will not let them grow nor will other powers.
Example look at the taliban. And Al queada ..how much growth have they had over the years?
Not much....

I am looking at things from a realistic point of view.

Understand also the majority of non muslims are not educated by islam and they dont separate your average Muslim from the terrorist ..
Sad but true , they kind of mash us together.

The last thing we need are people freaking out about something that won't happen. And causing fitna (caous) among the umma.

Just saying



posted on Jun, 24 2014 @ 12:36 AM
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a reply to: LightningStrikesHere




However truthfully they are not a threat on a world scale. the umma will not let them grow nor will other powers.
Example look at the taliban. And Al queada ..how much growth have they had over the years?
Not much....


They were part of Al Quida, but even they were too extreme....They grew large enough to basically take over a whole country....and are funded by millions upon millions of dollars, and if they get hooks into the oil reserves....even more....A COUNTRY.....how is that not growth? They have taken over weapons supplies by western powers that were given to the Iraqi army to arm their country.....How is that not a threat?




I am looking at things from a realistic point of view.


Not when you compare your statements and whats actually going on
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posted on Jun, 24 2014 @ 12:53 AM
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a reply to: LightningStrikesHere

How much of ISIS' growth has the umma stopped? Not much, judging by the view from Iraq.

How much of ISIS' growth have the "other powers" stopped? Not much, judging by the view from Iraq - as a matter of fact, it appears that the "other powers" have greatly enhanced and facilitated the growth of ISIS.

Al-Qaeda doesn't need growth. They are not an organization, they are a DIS-organization, a dispersed umbrella group for a variety of other fighting organizations, a "clearing house", the United Way of terrorism. They don't do much of anything but facilitate and coordinate between the actual fighting groups, and they don't need great size for that - keeps costs and overhead down.

As far as the Taliban goes, I reckon we'll soon see whether they've grown or not, when the US pulls out of Afghanistan and leaves another power vacuum there like it did the last time after the Soviet War in Afghanistan. I strongly suspect they are just laying low and biding their time, waiting for the US to leave before they raise their offensive heads again. Time will tell, and the US has delivered the timetable to the Taliban... all they have to do is wait now, and they know how long they'll have to wait, which makes it easier.

ISIS is a much bigger threat than you seem to realize. They inspire fear (which can lead to a win without even a fight - witness the Iraqi government troops running away from them in droves in abject terror), they have media-presence, and have generated a following that is growing in numbers, and spreading in location. They have effective propaganda, and now, apparently, effective marketing and communications. When they put out the call, just watch and see whose ears prick up, world-wide. Let them demonstrate this win, and watch to see just who and how many flock to be on the "winning side".

Finally, where is the "umma" RIGHT NOW, as ISIS is overrunning Iraq? When will they START stunting ISIS' growth?

Frankly, I think your assessment may have overlooked a couple of things.


ETA: I just want to mention the theory I had a couple of years ago at ATS, about the Muslim Brotherhood and the various "Arab Springs", I said then that these "spontaneous" uprisings were being orchestrated by the MB with outside help, and their goal was to plant power centers dispersed, which would eventually grow together and coalesce into a caliphate stretching from al Andalus to Indonesia. It's all in my posts, immortalized at ATS at the time they were posted.

Here we are. They're trying to fire up the first part of the caliphate, the core in the Levant, just as I predicted, with the capitol in Baghdad, just as I predicted. I'm not going to say "I told you so"... well, I guess I just did, didn't I?




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posted on Jun, 24 2014 @ 01:01 AM
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a reply to: LightningStrikesHere

Sadly, you keep saying there are people in Iraq who are fighting them. Yes... the shia. Not the sunni - they are handing over their weapons and banks,.. it is only the shia who are fighting.

Since the shia are greatly outnumbered everywhere in the world by the sunni's, (and shia don't believe in offensive jihad) I'd like to know why on earth you think suddenly the shia will win a fight we have not won since the death of the Prophet (saw)?
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posted on Jun, 24 2014 @ 01:03 AM
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originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: LightningStrikesHere




However truthfully they are not a threat on a world scale. the umma will not let them grow nor will other powers.
Example look at the taliban. And Al queada ..how much growth have they had over the years?
Not much....


They were part of Al Quida, but even they were too extreme....They grew large enough to basically take over a whole country....and are funded by millions upon millions of dollars, and if they get hooks into the oil reserves....even more....A COUNTRY.....how is that not growth? They have taken over weapons supplies by western powers that were given to the Iraqi army to arm their country.....How is that not a threat?




I am looking at things from a realistic point of view.


Not when you compare your statements and whats actually going on



Well, yes the leader of All Queada called them extreme lol..

But on a world scale I don't think they are a threat .

Do you really think the west and other forces are going to let them grow ?



posted on Jun, 24 2014 @ 01:08 AM
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a reply to: LightningStrikesHere

Oh... that same west who dines with the Brotherhood? The same west who funneled money through Saudia to fund them in Syria? That same west who's CIA makes sure to re-open jihadist websites that get closed down so they can "watch them"?

Yeah... watch them grow...


I wouldn't be putting all my eggs in that basket... If they think the caliphate will work with them they will support them, even if its unpopular to do so...
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posted on Jun, 24 2014 @ 01:12 AM
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originally posted by: LightningStrikesHere


Well, yes the leader of All Queada called them extreme lol..

But on a world scale I don't think they are a threat .

Do you really think the west and other forces are going to let them grow ?


I think "the west" (God I hate that phrase, but when in Rome...) is actually fertilizing and watering them. Not long ago at ATS, there was a huge pissing contest over US support for the Syrian "rebels", and I was simply shocked at the support shown for them. So shocked, in fact, that I am convinced there was a certified cyber-war in which the US government was trying to drum up popular support for them, using the internet (even ATS) as propaganda media and a cyber-battle-ground.

The US supported the MB in Libya. In Egypt. Tried like hell to drum up popular support for them in Syria, and just opened their treasury for financial support for them, in spite of the popular opposition to it.

Do I think "the west" is going to LET them grow?

No.

I think "the west" is SPONSORING their growth.



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