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Expect More Fireworks At Tonight's Prime-time Oversight Hearing on IRS Obstruction...

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posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 09:54 PM
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And emails are a federal record according to the Federal Records Act.

So they did lose records... and Krup here knows that if he actually reads the other threads he's been replying to. The schtick could not be more transparent. Just ignore it
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posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 09:56 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised if after all this, the IRS gets a 10-30m "gift" to bring its archiving systems up to date.



posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 09:56 PM
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The fact that his main premise is they cant get the information because her hard drive crashed and that they dont have access to the emails because of it is a LIE......
^^^ Emphasis Needed ^^^

They claim they never attempted to save the backed-up data !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Damning confessions



posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 09:59 PM
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cough,, cough,,

(18 USC 1029, 1030, 1037, 1343, & 2701)
Inspectors protect Postal Service customers from fraud schemes and other crimes that may occur online
and involve the misuse of the mail or of the Postal Service.
This includes using or selling stolen or counterfeit access devices, such as credit card numbers; using protected computers without proper authority or exceeding authorized access; using computer communications in a scheme to defraud; using a false identity when sending commercial e-mails to mislead or deceive recipients, as with spam; and unauthorized access to communications that are stored electronically via a communications service.

Can L. Learner be charged?

about.usps.com...

I know its the Postal Service, but the IRS guy said it was Treasury who told the White House,, so there,,, lol

opps
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posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 09:59 PM
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They have handed over thousands of documents and up to 70,000 of Lois Lerner's emails.

Exactly how is that no information?


ROFLOL


But the pertinent ones are mysteriously lost even though they just admitted to not accessing the disaster back-ups even though they claim these computer crashes destroyed the data !!!!!!!!!!!!!



posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 10:03 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask


The fact that his main premise is they cant get the information because her hard drive crashed and that they dont have access to the emails because of it is a LIE......
^^^ Emphasis Needed ^^^

They claim they never attempted to save the backed-up data !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Damning confessions






Lerner's hard drive crashed back in 2011...WAY before this committee even formed or asked for them to hand over emails.

Why would the IRS spend MILLIONS of dollars to do a disaster recovery for one person's hard drive crash??? And even if they did, they would have only recovered the previous 6 months of emails...not all the way back to 2009.

So at most, the committee would have a few thousand more emails...added to the 70,000 emails they already have.

Please tell me what evidence they have uncovered in those 70,000 emails that suggest any wrong doing???



posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 10:04 PM
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But the pertinent ones are mysteriously lost even though they just admitted to not accessing the disaster back-ups even though they claim these computer crashes destroyed the data !!!!!!!!!!!!!


And exactly how do you know those are the pertinent ones?



posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 10:06 PM
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Yet they ask for information from us as far back as 7 years..........

youre telling me the IRS doesnt have information on US citizens past 6 months as well?

You cant tell me the gov destroyed information from its own workers after 6 months.........not buying it......

Not when people who work for the gov at any moment can decide to do something stupid, they would want the information on them to blackball them.........

Sell stupid somewhere else



posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 10:11 PM
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Well...our Krumpy widdle thread killer is in full swing. So, I'll be saying goodby to this thread.

It's been a lot of fun folks, thanks for the company and insights.

IMOHO....the IRS walked out with more crap on their shoes, than less. And left We the People, with more data that doesn't make any sense at all.....this time around.

I'll be busy posting on FB tomorrow, the highlights of this hearing.

Des



posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 10:11 PM
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And he explained that it is their policy to print out hard copies of emails considered as "official records". And they have turned over all of Lois Lerner's printed copies of emails that she printed out as official records.

What else do you want?
Roaring LOL !!!

There's absolutely no confirmation that She printed all the emails that would help to incriminate the guilty parties involved is there?

That's why the computer data is under subpoena.

And that's why the IRS is claiming they never accessed the backed-up data even though it was still within that magic 6-month window



posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 10:21 PM
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posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 10:22 PM
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Lerner's hard drive crashed back in 2011...WAY before this committee even formed or asked for them to hand over emails.

Why would the IRS spend MILLIONS of dollars to do a disaster recovery for one person's hard drive crash??? And even if they did, they would have only recovered the previous 6 months of emails...not all the way back to 2009.


What ???????

The House inquiries started in 2011.....



June 3, 2011: David Camp, Republican Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, sends a letter to then-IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman inquiring about a report that the IRS has been conducting an unusually large number of audits of conservative 501(c)(4) groups and taxpayers who have donated money to them. Lawmakers will subsequently send at least seven more letters asking the IRS to address complaints that conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status are being subjected to burdensome screening. (Source and Source)

June 13, 2011: Lois Lerner’s computer allegedly crashes, causing all emails that Lerner sent and received between January 2009 and April 2011, to be lost. (Source)

July 1, 2011: The IRS responds to David Camp’s June 3 letter by stating that its “actions in this area were in no way influenced by political considerations.” According to the Agency, Exempt Organizations Division Director Lois Lerner has ordered the criteria for flagging tax-exempt applications for extra scrutiny to be changed, so as to apply more broadly to “organizations involved with political, lobbying, or advocacy for exemption under 501(c)(3) or 501(c)(4).”

timeline sources




posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 10:38 PM
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There's absolutely no confirmation that She printed all the emails that would help to incriminate the guilty parties involved is there?

That's why the computer data is under subpoena.

And that's why the IRS is claiming they never accessed the backed-up data even though it was still within that magic 6-month window


Well of course there is no confirmation...there can never be confirmation that someone printed every record they were supposed to print. All they are required to do is print it and file it...after that they can delete the email themselves if they want to.

That's like asking someone if they have always obeyed the speed limit...they show you two tickets they have for speeding and say those were the only times they went over the speed limit...there is no way to confirm that is true.

You are operating under the assumption that there are guilty parties and they just have to uncover the evidence that proves it.

That shouldn't be how justice works. You look at the evidence available...and if there is nothing in thousands of documents and close to 70,000 emails that show any suggestion of wrong doing...then that is all you can do.

What this committee is doing is looking at all the evidence...not finding the damning evidence that they desperately want to find...so they attempt to create some controversy as to why they couldn't find it.

Please share with us...what evidence has there been that shows any wrong doing?



posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 10:39 PM
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The House inquiries started in 2011


Yes they did.

And when did the House committee request that Lois Lerner's emails be handed over to the investigation?



posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 10:40 PM
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The 5th pleadings confirm criminal activity took place.

By Lois Lerner, the high IRS official that is currently under Contempt of Congress.





posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 10:42 PM
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originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: xuenchen


The House inquiries started in 2011


Yes they did.

And when did the House committee request that Lois Lerner's emails be handed over to the investigation?



By law, the IRS had to keep all data.

The Commissioner confirmed it is law.




posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 10:43 PM
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Well there certainly were fireworks in the hearing. This issue will not be decided with verbal spin, joust and parry but in the court of public opinion in November. By all indications people just are not buying into the lost email bs. As the spin becomes more incredible daily more voters call bs on the irs. I predict that the House and Senate go R and in part thanks to the irs coverup.
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posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 10:50 PM
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On June 3, 2011 Dave Camp - Chairman House Ways & Means requested documents from Lerner's Division at IRS in reference to political bias by the IRS among other issues.

Jun 13, 2011 Lerner's hard drive crashes along with 6 other high ranking IRS officials...poof





posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 11:03 PM
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The 5th pleadings confirm criminal activity took place.


LOL, no it doesn't.

Pleading the 5th does not provide evidence for anything...you can't convict someone based on them pleading the 5th.



posted on Jun, 23 2014 @ 11:04 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: xuenchen


The House inquiries started in 2011


Yes they did.

And when did the House committee request that Lois Lerner's emails be handed over to the investigation?



By law, the IRS had to keep all data.

The Commissioner confirmed it is law.



You didn't answer the question.

When did they request Lois Lerner's emails?







 
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