Leaked tape has Polish FM comparing ties with US to giving oral sex

rt.com...

The Polish Foreign Minister believes his country’s alliance with the US is worth nothing and compared his government’s stance to giving oral sex and receiving nothing in return, a Polish magazine said, citing a leaked recording of a private conversation.

Excerpts from the alleged exchange between FM Radoslaw Sikorski and Jacek Rostowski, an MP and former finance minister, were published Sunday by Wprost,

“The Polish-American alliance is not worth anything. It’s even damaging, because it creates a false sense of security in Poland,” Sikorski allegedly said.

“Complete bull#,” the tape purportedly records Sikorski as saying. “We will get a conflict with both Russians and Germans, and we’re going to think that everything is great, because we gave the Americans a blowjob. Suckers. Total suckers.”

The problem in Poland is that we have a very shallow pride and low self-esteem,” he allegedly said, decrying such a mindset as “Murzyńskość”, a racially-charged derogative term that could be translated as “thinking like a negro.”The Polish media are now speculating on who could have supplied Wprost with the recording, with many fingers pointing to Russian intelligence.

AM quiet sure GRU is behind this phone interception just like every other previous interceptions , Looks like Russia is trying to create a divide between the EU and US by releasing these tapes. Must say, people have to be more careful when they talk .

Russia, in my own opinion, has always sought to humiliate Poland as well as its stance in the world. I really cannot say when or why it has been, but if the can harm Poland, the will not hesitate to do so. Maybe someone can fill me in as to the reasons?

a reply to: maddy21

Must say, people have to be more careful when they talk .

Why?
Everything the man said is true.

So we're diverting attentions to WHO recorded it... instead of focusing our attentions on WHAT was said and WHY.

Awesome. Who cares about who recorded it? Truth is... it was a pretty good capture!

"People have to be more careful when they talk"? Really... this is what they REALLY think. Not the bunch of crap you're fed by them on the evening news and public speeches. I dont think they should be careful at all... I think they should stop lying to the people and start acting by what they really think, then they shouldnt need to be careful when they talk in private. How about some public honesty for a change?

I just hope that everything gets caught and gets released to the public by every spy, private, basement kid on earth and everything comes crumbling down like the house of cards they've been building deserves!

a reply to: FraternitasSaturni

nobody is forcing you to talk on who recorded it, one has the freedom to look at this incident in any way he wants to.
Some one leaked it with a specific intent in mind, and this is not the first time this is happening . There is a larger political motive behind these leaks . AM just surprised an EU country is talking like this about US . Thought EU countries had the gall to stand up to US considering its economic and military power.

a reply to: FraternitasSaturni

That guy just said it as most of the people of Poland think. But due to the damn over zealous bordering on psychotic political correctness madness that is spewed upon us from every side, he cannot say it on national TV. This was a private conversation between two friends (imagine how YOU speak at work or around strangers and how it looks with a bunch of good friends in a pub. If you do not change your speaking behavior at all, then I applaud you ) that should have staid private.

Until now, none of those tapes said anything drastic actually. If people think that friends that work together do not share favors and agendas at work is delusional and is lying to himself. There is no difference between working at a company and working for/at the government.

a reply to: maddy21

Well cant say I blame him.

Russia is growing in strength and the world seems to have abandoned Ukraine.

Poland are likely worried they too will be abounded after loyaly following the USA into such messes as Iraq and allowing the USA to operate it network of torture prisons and international kidnapping through Poland.

originally posted by: aboutface
Russia, in my own opinion, has always sought to humiliate Poland as well as its stance in the world. I really cannot say when or why it bean, but if the can harm Poland, the will not hesitate to do so. Maybe someone can fill me in as to the reasons?

Reporting REAL NEWS is not attacking Poland..He said it, he got caught, RT reported it....Get real !!

Given the history of how the u.s has treated allies in past .. the man is spot on in what he is saying ..
Uncle scam has made a habit of leaving allies hanging out to dry .. and will continue to do so ..

a reply to: FraternitasSaturni

I agree with your statements and reasoning.....we live in such a deceitful world....what is truth? Certainly nothing we hear, read, or see from our media... everyone has their own selfish agenda....we will never get off this earth... we will never recapture our exploring spirit. no one trusts us anymore, no one believes us anymore

Sounds to me like somebody finally understands U.S. foreign policy. Quite an accurate description of the scenario, if a bit crude and blunt. Such is the truth.

originally posted by: RocksFromSpace

originally posted by: aboutface
Russia, in my own opinion, has always sought to humiliate Poland as well as its stance in the world. I really cannot say when or why it bean, but if the can harm Poland, the will not hesitate to do so. Maybe someone can fill me in as to the reasons?

Reporting REAL NEWS is not attacking Poland..He said it, he got caught, RT reported it....Get real !!

OK then let me spell it out. I am not attacking RT in any way, sorry if you came to that conclusion. What I am pointing out is the possibility of a conspiracy about just who it was who gave the tape to RT in the first place, the Russians, or the CIA to make it look like it was the Russians. As to what was said, meh, so what if someone said that in a private conversation? The story for me is why the leak?

originally posted by: aboutface
Russia, in my own opinion, has always sought to humiliate Poland as well as its stance in the world. I really cannot say when or why it has been, but if the can harm Poland, the will not hesitate to do so. Maybe someone can fill me in as to the reasons?

Your kidding right?

Russia, in my own opinion, has always sought to humiliate Poland as well as its stance in the world.

Russia has always sought to humiliate its stance in the world? Your joking right? have you looked in a mirror lately and seen what America has being as of late?

originally posted by: aboutface

originally posted by: RocksFromSpace

originally posted by: aboutface
Russia, in my own opinion, has always sought to humiliate Poland as well as its stance in the world. I really cannot say when or why it bean, but if the can harm Poland, the will not hesitate to do so. Maybe someone can fill me in as to the reasons?

Reporting REAL NEWS is not attacking Poland..He said it, he got caught, RT reported it....Get real !!

OK then let me spell it out. I am not attacking RT in any way, sorry if you came to that conclusion. What I am pointing out is the possibility of a conspiracy about just who it was who gave the tape to RT in the first place, the Russians, or the CIA to make it look like it was the Russians. As to what was said, meh, so what if someone said that in a private conversation? The story for me is why the leak?

You seem to be the only concerned with a conspiracy here, it's like you don't want anyone to talk about meat of the scandal and instead focus on the irrelevant "who". Your name is fitting because you are trying to steer this thread aboutface

a reply to: maddy21


If the dude feels that way about it I have one piece of advice for him
Just sing a happy tune... something like???

Don't scream about ..don't think aloud, turn your head now baby ...just spit me out!


Just more grandstanding and posturing to make himself look like Big Billy Bad-A
Not like he would dare pull of NATO not with all the crap going on over in the Ukraine

originally posted by: HardCorps
a reply to: maddy21


If the dude feels that way about it I have one piece of advice for him
Just sing a happy tune... something like???

Don't scream about ..don't think aloud, turn your head now baby ...just spit me out!

Just more grandstanding and posturing to make himself look like Big Billy Bad-A
Not like he would dare pull of NATO not with all the crap going on over in the Ukraine

Dont you have some of those really bad 80's porn tunes somewhere?

originally posted by: maddy21
a reply to: FraternitasSaturni

nobody is forcing you to talk on who recorded it, one has the freedom to look at this incident in any way he wants to.
Some one leaked it with a specific intent in mind, and this is not the first time this is happening . There is a larger political motive behind these leaks . AM just surprised an EU country is talking like this about US . Thought EU countries had the gall to stand up to US considering its economic and military power.

Oh my god... you're so intelligent. This why I come to ATS... the insight that I could never have.

Not really.

EDIT: "Thought EU countries had the gall to stand up to US considering its economic and military power."

lol... I didnt read this last part - this just makes it all a lot more absurd. lol - But I'll bite - What exactly do you think this is? the 80s? lol Economical what? As for military... What can the US military do against a EU country - please, endulge me.

a reply to: maddy21

I think his statement was a bit weak.

He needed to say . . . something like . . .

it is like giving oral sex to a syphilitic donkey with rabies and a nasty habit of kicking to death at least half its sexual pleasure givers.

a reply to: FraternitasSaturni

As usual ...80% of your post is irrelevant nonsense and personal remarks , not sure why you are getting so annoyed . Relax , meditate and take a cold bath and then come back ..

What exactly do you think this is? the 80s? lol Economical what? As for military... What can the US military do against a EU country - please, endulge me.

Do you know what your talking about ? Its an EU country talking about its relationship to US as giving BlOWJOB. Closer to a master slave relationship .

a reply to: maddy21

Is this really scandal or something? what did he say that was controversial?