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originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Teye22
I would save the ones I could. There lives are that important. If I couldnt live with myself afterwords then fine once they are with their mother I would kill myself. To me staying with all three for certain death would be the same as murdering two of my children.
You can't understand how some could save two and I can't understand how others can kill their children.
My feeling of guilt over my choice doesn't override my instincts to keep them alive.
If the children were dying in the hospital and there was only enough medicine to save two you better believe I would save two. I sure as hell wouldn't say "since they can't all live it's better if they all die". That really is the same scenario except me as a parent has no choice to live on. In the other scenarios you get an easy option of dying therefore you don't have to live with your guilt. Same as murder suicide. For me choosing death for them in any instance is insane and not an option. The one who has to live with the choice is me. It would be my burden but at least two could go on living and hopefully find happiness.
originally posted by: brandiwine14
One on my back, one on each arm, i'd run as fast and as long as I can until we were safe or we all perished together. Never, ever underestimate a mothers love for her children and what she would do to keep them ALL safe.
This is not a question a mother can answer in the way you want. A real mother loves her children equally, period and would never, under any circumstances leave one behind to save the others, it just wouldn't enter her mind. What would the other children think of her? "she just left my sibling behind", they would hate her and she would hate herself....wouldn't happen.
Anyone who would leave one child over the other is undeserving of the title "mom"
If worse came to worse i'd allow my children to use my body as a surfboard out of there in a last chance effort to save them. Though honestly I do not know enough about volcano lava to know whether that would actually be feasible.
originally posted by: CynConcepts
originally posted by: ArtemisE
If it some one else's kids I think they always take 2. It's the fact that (mostly mothers) consider the family unit as one big entity. Kinda ignoring the lives the 2 surviving kids would have had.
I guess this does have parallels in reguardless to women in the military.
Being a mother it is true that I consider my family as complete and whole, yet I am still logical enough to realize that being the case, it is instinctually better for my family to survive at all costs. I don't care what others would think of my choice, since when one has to act quickly in any emergency...instincts kick in, not emotions. There is no time as one may have in a hypothetical situation. I believe most mothers would make the same choice as me in a real situation, though for some reason are fearful to admit it, even to themselves.
Not sure what you mean regarding women in the military?
originally posted by: ArtemisE
originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Teye22
I would save the ones I could. There lives are that important. If I couldnt live with myself afterwords then fine once they are with their mother I would kill myself. To me staying with all three for certain death would be the same as murdering two of my children.
You can't understand how some could save two and I can't understand how others can kill their children.
My feeling of guilt over my choice doesn't override my instincts to keep them alive.
If the children were dying in the hospital and there was only enough medicine to save two you better believe I would save two. I sure as hell wouldn't say "since they can't all live it's better if they all die". That really is the same scenario except me as a parent has no choice to live on. In the other scenarios you get an easy option of dying therefore you don't have to live with your guilt. Same as murder suicide. For me choosing death for them in any instance is insane and not an option. The one who has to live with the choice is me. It would be my burden but at least two could go on living and hopefully find happiness.
There's your rock solid scenario..... What if all 3 had a fatal disease or poison and you only had 2 cures.
originally posted by: stumason
originally posted by: brandiwine14
a reply to: stumason
What is so funny about sentencing your child to death?
Well, I am not, am I? Typical woman, getting all melodramatic over a hypothetical, mental exercise.....
Like I said, a tongue in cheek remark while keeping within the rules set by the OP - if, however, I paid no attention to the rules and harped on like your good self, then I would resolve as follows:
- In the first instance - go no where near the Volcano
- If "A" isn't possible, then I would make the older two run and carry the third. I would not leave a child behind
- Carry all three if necessary
- Should we find ourselves in a position where we could not out run the danger, then I would seek shelter, making sure all the children were safe even at the expense of my own life. I am a father and replaceable, after all.
originally posted by: brandiwine14
I never claimed that men were crappy parents....just you.
It was implied with all the "mother" crap - not one mention of fathers as if they didn't exist.
originally posted by: brandiwine14
Actually we do have the monopoly on childbirth pain. Sorry you can't experience it for yourself, maybe if you did you would never think about leaving "the annoying one behind".
That horse must be wedge quite firmly up your arse! Poor thing....
Actually, when quizzed, all the women I know who've had kids will admit it's not actually that bad in comaprison to other types of pain. Most women today get drugged up the eyeballs anyway.
My own partner, when pressed on this, said the worst pain she had ever had was breaking her arm, followed by childbirth - now, compare this with when I broke my arm and waited a full 24 hours before seeking medical help despite the agonising pain - I even continued to serve dinner (which I cooked). I had a clean fracture right through my wrist from one side to the other, but just got on with it.
And the scientific evidence? Men are far better at handling pain anyway - like women are better at resisting disease. It's part of our evolution. I'd wager that if men had to go through childbirth, we wouldn't bang on about it for the next 40 years like we bloody martyrs - after all, you're designed to do it!
Funnily enough, my missus then fell back on the old "no uterus - no opinion" line. Little did she know (and the Crone who first coined the phrase no doubt) that men also have a Uterus!
Anyhoo, that all said, I love women and I'm all for equal rights etc - I am even an advocate for mixed sports, I see no reason why they have to split women and men. I just wish that you wouldn't spend a disproportionate amount of energy slagging off men in the process.
originally posted by: ArtemisE
I've always heard women have a far greater pain tolerance?
originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Teye22
It is actually prossible to prepare for senarios like this. Its called visualization. With visualization you can prepare Your mind to Counter this situations. You can imagine any senario even one like the one OP is posting. But you have to do it before you og to the valcano.
The only thing you cant visualize is the pain you will feal after you have failed to save Your own kid. But you can do something about it. If you prepare before you go on a trip. The chanses for you being able to figure something out very fast is more likely. But you have to think and prepare. You guilt will be stronger if you dont.
originally posted by: ArtemisE
originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Teye22
It is actually prossible to prepare for senarios like this. Its called visualization. With visualization you can prepare Your mind to Counter this situations. You can imagine any senario even one like the one OP is posting. But you have to do it before you og to the valcano.
The only thing you cant visualize is the pain you will feal after you have failed to save Your own kid. But you can do something about it. If you prepare before you go on a trip. The chanses for you being able to figure something out very fast is more likely. But you have to think and prepare. You guilt will be stronger if you dont.
You realize the exercise wasn't "how to carry 3 kids down a volcano". It's could you leave one to save 2?
originally posted by: spy66
originally posted by: ArtemisE
originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Teye22
It is actually prossible to prepare for senarios like this. Its called visualization. With visualization you can prepare Your mind to Counter this situations. You can imagine any senario even one like the one OP is posting. But you have to do it before you og to the valcano.
The only thing you cant visualize is the pain you will feal after you have failed to save Your own kid. But you can do something about it. If you prepare before you go on a trip. The chanses for you being able to figure something out very fast is more likely. But you have to think and prepare. You guilt will be stronger if you dont.
You realize the exercise wasn't "how to carry 3 kids down a volcano". It's could you leave one to save 2?
Its a exercise that leaves you automatically With two Choices. The option of leaving one behind is not an option. The exercise can only be the result of trying to get everyone to safety. Because every parent would try no mather the cost.
originally posted by: ArtemisE
originally posted by: spy66
originally posted by: ArtemisE
originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Teye22
It is actually prossible to prepare for senarios like this. Its called visualization. With visualization you can prepare Your mind to Counter this situations. You can imagine any senario even one like the one OP is posting. But you have to do it before you og to the valcano.
The only thing you cant visualize is the pain you will feal after you have failed to save Your own kid. But you can do something about it. If you prepare before you go on a trip. The chanses for you being able to figure something out very fast is more likely. But you have to think and prepare. You guilt will be stronger if you dont.
You realize the exercise wasn't "how to carry 3 kids down a volcano". It's could you leave one to save 2?
Its a exercise that leaves you automatically With two Choices. The option of leaving one behind is not an option. The exercise can only be the result of trying to get everyone to safety. Because every parent would try no mather the cost.
I don't think any parent would sacrifice 2 children to stay with one. The OP says that you know you can only save 2. Don't run from he question by designing t-shirt back packs lol
originally posted by: ArtemisE
originally posted by: brandiwine14
One on my back, one on each arm, i'd run as fast and as long as I can until we were safe or we all perished together. Never, ever underestimate a mothers love for her children and what she would do to keep them ALL safe.
This is not a question a mother can answer in the way you want. A real mother loves her children equally, period and would never, under any circumstances leave one behind to save the others, it just wouldn't enter her mind. What would the other children think of her? "she just left my sibling behind", they would hate her and she would hate herself....wouldn't happen.
Anyone who would leave one child over the other is undeserving of the title "mom"
If worse came to worse i'd allow my children to use my body as a surfboard out of there in a last chance effort to save them. Though honestly I do not know enough about volcano lava to know whether that would actually be feasible.
I would have to say the opposite. I'm a father, but I think anyone who wouldn't save the 2 she could doesn't deserve the title of mom. Women thru out history have been required to make such decisions. If they hadn't we might not be here.