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originally posted by: AfterInfinity
originally posted by: ArtemisE
originally posted by: XxRagingxPandaxX
a reply to: ArtemisE
Then god. Granted all the stipulations that come with him run parallel to religions here in reality. I'll take eternal paradise over 95 years of it.
Well played. Great point, in this world you would have to consider God a givin. You can't trade nothing for a Eutopia. So in this universe there must be a god.
Not so fast. I don't see any utopia yet, and as you said, you can't get a utopia for nothing.
originally posted by: ArtemisE
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
originally posted by: ArtemisE
originally posted by: XxRagingxPandaxX
a reply to: ArtemisE
Then god. Granted all the stipulations that come with him run parallel to religions here in reality. I'll take eternal paradise over 95 years of it.
Well played. Great point, in this world you would have to consider God a givin. You can't trade nothing for a Eutopia. So in this universe there must be a god.
Not so fast. I don't see any utopia yet, and as you said, you can't get a utopia for nothing.
It's pretend.
originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti
You don't have to trade your God for utopia. Most religions teach that there is a utopia provided by God. Christians call it heaven. You just have to live your mortal life the right way (according to scripture) to get there.
originally posted by: LittleByLittle
God is always around not matter the human religions/views that humans create to try to describe it. To say it clearly religions believe god is on their religions side, many of them could not be more wrong since from a higher level point of view they are all idols of the real deal.
Humans create duality. God transcends duality.
originally posted by: GoOfYFoOt
originally posted by: ArtemisE
Would you trade your personal religion and god, for a Eutopia?
No war, poverty, disease, pollution, rape, murder, or theft, A perfect society.
Well...Firstly, the phrase "personal religion" is an oxymoron. Religion is a manmade word conceived to depersonalize and marginalize a one-on-one individual relationship with the Creator.
Secondly, anyone who believes a Utopia can be established without Divine intervention, obviously has no understanding of the human condition.
And thirdly...Nothing or no one will ever cause me to deny my Lord and Savior.
BTW, didn't satan already try this little ruse with Christ?
...the devil took Him to a very high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world, and their glory. And he said to Him, "All these things will I give you if you fall down and worship me." - Matthew 4:9
To which Jesus responded:
"Begone, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only. (Matthew 4:10)"
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
a reply to: ArtemisE
Okay, if that's all the answer you have at this point, I'm gonna abandon thread. I thought this was going to be an interesting conversation. Six responses you've posted on this page have been virtually identical, so that's not exactly encouraging.
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
a reply to: ketsuko
Maybe it feels good, but is it really you or someone else controlling you?
The same might be asked of you.
Or maybe it's something more sinister where people are controlled and melded into one society of equals through darker means.
Again, the same might be said to you. For instance, that Orwell video you posted - imagine if, instead of Emmanuel Goldstein's face, it was Satan. Or Lucifer. Starting to make sense now? Hell, there was a point in time at which we gathered at the local stockade in order to take turns throwing stones and rotten vegetables at people who displeased the pastor or the townsfolk.
One society through anger and hate. Fear the witches, burn them. Fear the pagans, burn them. Fear the heretics, burn them. Fear the visionaries and students of science, burn them.
originally posted by: ArtemisE
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
a reply to: ArtemisE
Okay, if that's all the answer you have at this point, I'm gonna abandon thread. I thought this was going to be an interesting conversation. Six responses you've posted on this page have been virtually identical, so that's not exactly encouraging.
The point of "it's pretend", is that it's a fake universe. So whatever you consider a utopia is what society you get. Whoever your god is is what you trade. The details of the transaction don't matter...... I guess a good way to look at it might be......
What if the god of your personal religion showed up, right in front of you, then offered you a deal. God would sacrifice himself ( basically committing suicide) in exchange for a perfect society and the end of all violence and war, but the choice is yours. You decide if he kills himself for our paradise or not.
God would sacrifice himself ( basically committing suicide) in exchange for a perfect society and the end of all violence and war, but the choice is yours.
What if the god of your personal religion showed up, right in front of you, then offered you a deal. God would sacrifice himself ( basically committing suicide) in exchange for a perfect society and the end of all violence and war, but the choice is yours. You decide if he kills himself for our paradise or not.
Utopian impulses are simply the desire to make everyone everywhere a part of your group so that you are no longer threatened by the "other" in whatever form that may manifest.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: ArtemisE
God would sacrifice himself ( basically committing suicide) in exchange for a perfect society and the end of all violence and war, but the choice is yours.
According to the Christian doctrine, that's exactly what he did. And it failed.
Like your thread.
We still don't have a perfect society - and I guess, until people wake the hell up and get with the program (being collectively conscious and motivated to achieve it) - we never will.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: ArtemisE
What if the god of your personal religion showed up, right in front of you, then offered you a deal. God would sacrifice himself ( basically committing suicide) in exchange for a perfect society and the end of all violence and war, but the choice is yours. You decide if he kills himself for our paradise or not.
Okay, I think I see. Like Faust. Making a deal.
Hmmm. On one hand, I think life is too short to try to "fix it" and wipe out whover/whatever this 'god' is - but then, on the other hand, I don't see 'god' that way at all.
No comment.
If he needs "permission" to do it, his will isn't all that strong, is it?
MY permission, specifically? I'd say, "do whatever you think is best." Because that's how I try to live. Besides that, in this fake universe, he could do it without offing himself if he wanted. So - I'd be tempted to think he's a poser to begin with.