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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Lostinthedarkness
So, lets just put the 10 Commandments in court houses and schools, teach creationism in schools along side evolution, and let out tax dollars pay for Christian symbolism at all national monuments and memorials too.
If only Christians were as tolerant of us as they ask us non-Christians to be of them.
originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: SaturnFX
I get your point, I really do. I'm not Christian nor any religion... I just don't see the need to fight over this one. I'd like to see other religious symbols too. Personally I see it as a crossbar. But it's a crossbar that means something to a lot of people.
originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: windword
You said
All for killing? Like the "hawks" that led us into Iraq after 911, because some people were looking for blood and revenge?
The intersecting I-beams represent the loss and comfort people got from the recovery operation.
YOU brought up killing people.
We should deny people the peace of mind that they may get so they won't offend others that are all for killing.
All for killing? Like the "hawks" that led us into Iraq after 911, because some people were looking for blood and revenge?
I didn't realize that all the people that died on 9/11 were for killing others.
Thanks for that enlightening comment!
we knew something like that was coming anyway.
originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: SaturnFX
I get your point, I really do. I'm not Christian nor any religion... I just don't see the need to fight over this one. I'd like to see other religious symbols too. Personally I see it as a crossbar. But it's a crossbar that means something to a lot of people.
The reason to fight against it is the same reason beezer wants to fight for it
precedent.
If you can decide to put a giant tax funded cross in the center of new York due to it being emotionally pleasing to some people, then that opens the door to religious symbols everywhere under the same guise.
and there isn't enough space to put a endlessly growing list of religious symbols...what if a pagan died in the towers whom held the ancient greek pantheon to heart in his/her ceremonial practices...should then the entire greek pantheon symbols be there somewhere also? what about the Satanist...the Taoist, etc.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: undo
we knew something like that was coming anyway.
You see? There it is. A Christian sentiment that God ordained and sanctioned the 911 event and the "cross of death" is there to remind America of their sins and the punishment God brought to the country on that day.
That's why it's offensive.
originally posted by: beezzer
originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: SaturnFX
I get your point, I really do. I'm not Christian nor any religion... I just don't see the need to fight over this one. I'd like to see other religious symbols too. Personally I see it as a crossbar. But it's a crossbar that means something to a lot of people.
The reason to fight against it is the same reason beezer wants to fight for it
precedent.
If you can decide to put a giant tax funded cross in the center of new York due to it being emotionally pleasing to some people, then that opens the door to religious symbols everywhere under the same guise.
and there isn't enough space to put a endlessly growing list of religious symbols...what if a pagan died in the towers whom held the ancient greek pantheon to heart in his/her ceremonial practices...should then the entire greek pantheon symbols be there somewhere also? what about the Satanist...the Taoist, etc.
Bullshirt.
I stand against the whole issue for the precedent that it would be deemed "offensive".
I even gave examples.
Now who is being disingenuous?
originally posted by: ausername
a reply to: undo
Maybe we could get an executive order first declaring all US cemeteries federal parks, and then have all christian symbols declared offensive, then have them all removed?
Could be accomplished with a pen and a phone.
originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: ausername
a reply to: undo
Maybe we could get an executive order first declaring all US cemeteries federal parks, and then have all christian symbols declared offensive, then have them all removed?
Could be accomplished with a pen and a phone.
Maybe we can change all crosses to Islamic symbols instead?
Government getting into the business of religion is awesome like that...
Aren't you lot concerned about creeping sharia? Why let the Islamic threat effect your religious rights?
Why not just say...no, government, stay out of religion from now until forever and let individuals decide..be it on their personal tombstone, home, or church..and no big state funded symbols of anything religious.
After all, Jedi may be the new big thing...do you really want a holy picture of jar jar binks presiding over your town center?
originally posted by: undo
a reply to: SaturnFX
that's gonna happen eventually anyway. i still care about you whether you care about me or not. i don't want the country to turn into a religiously fanatical society. problem is, the country is nowhere near a religiously fanatical society but you're acting like it is. have you watched tv? read public school textbooks? i mean, the graveyard?
originally posted by: SaturnFX
I think a religious symbol at the site of a religious atrocity is a bit over the top...I would be for a sort of coexist type plaque with all the religious symbols (and the atom for atheists) though...
But the cross is a Christian symbol, and the attack was by religious fanatics...If religion didn't exist (say it went out of fashion in 2000 globally and everyone just decided to be decent people and humanitarians), we would still have the towers...end of the day, no suicide flyers = no terrorist attacks.
originally posted by: undo
i think most atheists in america are fine with it, it's just like with anything else, the loudest voice gets the most attention.