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originally posted by: OrphanApology
The law fails many women who report domestic violence.
Violent men don't just pop up overnight. There is normally a long pattern of aggressive behavior toward women that eventually culminates into homicide especially in the presence of alcohol induced aggression.
Instead of focusing on the gun part since a violent and angry man will find a way to harm these women regardless. Focus on catching the early signs and having more efficient means of dealing with abusive men.
This also means potential programs for the women themselves, especially if children are involved. By programs I mean that if a woman is being beat by a husband in front of kids, regardless of whether she wants to file charges there needs to be more efficient ways of putting her through care. Mostly putting her into a "detox" since many domestic abuse victims mental health can be likened to someone with stockholm syndrome.
Domestic abuse is something that changes even the strongest willed of people. To say "well she should just shoot him" means that the person stating such things has never seen the dynamics of these types of relationships. These men tend to be very controlling and very manipulative toward the women in their lives. When that falls apart or when they believe they are losing control the violence sometimes turns into homicide.
Creating more laws in regard to gun control does nothing to address the root causes of this type of violence toward women.
That isn't the issue with domestic abuse victims.
Women who are strong and go to shooting ranges are not the ones who are being attacked and stalked.
The issue runs far deeper and isn't simply a case of "she needs to just defend herself".
originally posted by: beezzer
And again, this is a thread about Domestic Gun Violence. Whether or not those weapons were obtained legally is not at issue and is a distraction from the facts presented and the recommendations suggested.
Don't distract from the subject of the thread, don't go off on helpful trangents; neither is an effective or valid agrument agains anything said.
Think what you like - but don't dismiss my right to expressive my opinions without distraction and a deliberate red herring.
For you eduction:
The red herring is as much a debate tactic as it is a logical fallacy. It is a fallacy of distraction, and is committed when a listener attempts to divert an arguer from his argument by introducing another topic. This can be one of the most frustrating, and effective, fallacies to observe.
The fallacy gets its name from fox hunting, specifically from the practice of using smoked herrings, which are red, to distract hounds from the scent of their quarry. Just as a hound may be prevented from catching a fox by distracting it with a red herring, so an arguer may be prevented from proving his point by distracting him with a tangential issue.
edit on 21-6-2014 by FyreByrd because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: FyreByrd
Sounds to me like more women need to join the shooting sports (a traditionally male area) and become both proficient and confident in their abilities.
They may find they not only have a rip roaring good time in competitive or action shooting, but they'll know beyond question that the only way they'll ever go down alone is if they are physically separated from their means of defense.
I can say if my wife ever needed to defend herself against a male, even in her compromised physical condition these days? It would come down to training and endless hours she spent learning to make the actions instinctual and automatic. She may cry for an hour from the pain her hands suffer after just a few rounds...but I have no doubt in my mind, she'd never feel a bit of that while firing to save herself or others.
originally posted by: FyreByrd
As headline-grabbing as school shootings are, the under-reported daily target and toll from gun violence involves women. More American women have been murdered by their intimate partners using guns since 2001 (6,410) than U.S. troops have been killed in combat (5,315) in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars , the Center for American Progress reports. Guns are involved in at least 34 percent of all murders of women commited by their partners, an average of five a day , CAP found from crime statistics.
Five women are murdered with a gun in the United States every day, most often by an intimate partner.
Here are some other facts. The United States has the highest rate of gun ownership in the world — by far. And it has the highest rate of homicides among advanced countries. And yet, gun crime has been declining in the U.S. Firearm murders are down, as is overall gun violence – even as gun ownership increases.