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Mt St Helens New Biggest Polluter




Topic started on 1-12-2004 @ 11:51 AM by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf


Forget about car exhaust, factories, or power plants. Mother nature is blackening our slies and pumping out the acid rain on her own.

Mt St Helens Biggest Polluter in Washington State




Environmentalists hooted when Ronald Reagan (news - web sites) claimed — wrongly — that trees produce more pollution than cars.



But right now, the biggest single source of air pollution in Washington isn't a power plant, pulp mill or anything else created by man.

It's a volcano.

Since Mount St. Helens started erupting in early October, it has been pumping out between 50 and 250 tons a day of sulfur dioxide, the lung-stinging gas that causes acid rain and contributes to haze.

Those emissions are so high that if the volcano was a new factory, it probably couldn't get a permit to operate, said Clint Bowman, an atmospheric physicist for the Washington Department of Ecology.




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reply posted on 1-12-2004 @ 12:10 PM by E_T


You forget that it's single source when there are thousands of factories and millions of cars.

Look what I found behind link to original full story:


Worldwide, sulfur dioxide emissions from volcanoes add up to about 15 million tons a year, compared to the 200 million tons produced by power plants and other human activities.

Compared to man-made sources, though, volcanoes' contribution to climate change is minuscule, Gerlach said.
Mount St. Helens produces between 500 and 1,000 tons a day of carbon dioxide, he estimates.
Nothstein, of the state energy office, says the Centralia coal plant puts out about 28,000 tons a day. Statewide, automobiles, industries, and residential and business heating systems emit nearly 10 times that amount.

On a global scale, the difference is even more dramatic, said Gerlach, who often gets calls from power-plant operators and oil-company executives who believe nature is just as responsible for global warming as man. His answer always disappoints them.
"I tell them the amounts don't even come close and I usually never hear from them again."

Worldwide, people and their activities pump 26 billion tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, he said. The total from volcanoes is about 200 million tons a year — or less than 1 percent of the man-made emissions.
seattletimes.nwsource.com...

Makes story look entirely different!



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reply posted on 1-12-2004 @ 12:41 PM by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf


World wide, of course, the volcano emmisions arent even worth looking at.

What I was talking about was locally. The local effects of pollution from Mt St Helens is very visible. The haze as well as the increase in vibible smog, plus the increase in local acid rain, thats where it is felt.

Globally, no one will even notice really. But locally, you can see it, and weve had an increase in respirtory ailments not related to the flu here recently.



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reply posted on 1-12-2004 @ 12:44 PM by sardion2000



Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Globally, no one will even notice really. But locally, you can see it, and weve had an increase in respirtory ailments not related to the flu here recently.


Well if Mt. St helens blows then it will be felt locally be the dip in temperatures. But i seem to remember that it is very unlikely to do that for a llong time.



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reply posted on 1-12-2004 @ 07:19 PM by cavscout


Skadi, great thread, glad to see people are making the connection between nature and polution. Way above.


I posted the following here a while ago www.abovetopsecret.com...


Did you know that 85% of the CO2 in our atmosphere comes from natural sources? To quote Vin Suprynowicz, editor of the Las Vegas Review Journal, “Volcanoes have been spewing heat-trapping greenhouse gasses since the Earth’s mantle was formed. All the smokestacks and tailpipes in the world couldn’t compete with Mount St. Helens’ or Mount Pinatubo’s carbon belches.”



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reply posted on 1-12-2004 @ 07:34 PM by sardion2000


cavscout, read E_T's post more carfully and you will see you statment is erronious. There are hundreds of millions of cars and the thousands of powerplants. A single powerplant(coal that is) belches 25-30 thousand tons while Mount St. Helens produces between 500 and 1,000 tons a day of carbon dioxide. Please get your facts straight plz.

EDIT: Also read all of Skadi's posts in this thread as she was talking about local pollution, not global.

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reply posted on 1-12-2004 @ 07:40 PM by worldwatcher


i wonder it is a good thing then for the west coast to see more storms?? perhaps more bad weather would get some of that stuff out of the air in your area.



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reply posted on 1-12-2004 @ 07:43 PM by imasspeons


Thats a lot of air pollution =D...yes im pointing out obviousness....?

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reply posted on 1-12-2004 @ 07:58 PM by cavscout


sardion2000, you could be right, I have had the info. that I posted for a long time and have lost the source. Could also be that my numbers were old; they at least predated the current St. Helens cough. I'm going to research it more; I think the numbers he posted were for the constant, not the incident. I am sure St. Helens was the biggest polluter in Washington and Oregon in 1980/1981. I was born in Portland in '80, and I almost died from a pneumonia caused by the eruption. My Mom said the ash was like black snow, covering Portland in inches of ash.

Anyway, thanks for pointing that out, your right I should have read his link better. I'm still not convinced, but I am motivated to go do more research now.



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reply posted on 1-12-2004 @ 08:20 PM by sardion2000


cavscout, let me help you along in that research a bit, here are a couple of links that should help alot.


scholar.google.com...
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www.cicero.uio.no...
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reply posted on 2-12-2004 @ 10:40 AM by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf


Seeing how the Pacific Northwest is one neverending rainstorm, the storms arent much likely to effect it much, not unless we get some serious winds whipping it out to Eastern Washington.

But during sunny days, lately, there has been alot more noticable haze in the area. And people been getting a few more respirtory complaints.

But again, as stated above, my point for this was to show that for now, in this small region, mother nature is temporarily our biggest polluter.

On a global scale, humanity wins. All the active volcanoes in the world would have to belch together to produce the kind of pollutants.

But I do wonder what sort of ecological effect this might have locally in the long run.



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