Did Saddam have WMDs after all? : ISIS Overruns Iraq Chemical Weapons 'Mega-Facility'

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posted on Jun, 20 2014 @ 08:48 AM
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With all eyes firmly focused on what really matters (the oil refineries), The Telegraph reports that ISIS has over-run a Saddam Hussein-era chemical weapons (CW) complex. The al-Muhanna 'mega-facility', about 60 miles south of Baghdad, gives the jihadists access to disused stores of hundreds of tonnes of potentially deadly poisons including mustard gas and sarin. The US state department is 'concerned' but "do not believe that the complex contains CW materials of military value." However, as a former commander of Britain's chemical weapons regiment warned, "we have seen that ISIS has used chemicals in explosions in Iraq before and has carried out experiments in Syria." This is likely great for ISIS 2014 Annual Report; but, of course, the other awkward question is: does this mean Saddam did have WMDs (and ISIS found them) after all?

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From the Telegraph article:

Isis invaded the al-Muthanna mega-facility 60 miles north of Baghdad in a rapid takeover that the US government said was a matter of concern. The facility was notorious in the 1980s and 1990s as the locus of Saddam’s industrial scale efforts to develop a chemical weapons development programme. Isis has shown ambitions to seize and use chemical weapons in Syria leading experts to warn last night that the group could turn to improvised weapons to carry out a deadly attack in Iraq. Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, a former commander of Britain’s chemical weapons regiment, said that al-Muthanna has large stores of weaponized and bulk mustard gas and sarin, most of which has been put beyond ready use in concrete stores.

So we found WMD's... even though the story is that we never did?
And we left them there.... and didn't destroy them?

What kind of whack-a-doodle crap is this???

Now ISIS has WMDs????????
Holy crap.



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posted on Jun, 20 2014 @ 08:54 AM
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LOL.....nice. So we find them, make it known they are there, then leave and leave them there. Hmmm...does this wreak of a VERY planned operation in the works?

I don't know the protocol for destruction of materials such as what is claimed to be in there, but hard to believe that the armed forces of multiple nations just left and left these materials there for whomever to find.....retarded on the highest level unless it was left in order to execute a plan at a later date, such as allowing ISIS to start a massive war with them in order for the military machine to be called back in to boost the economy.



posted on Jun, 20 2014 @ 08:55 AM
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Scott Ritter has spoken about wmd's in Iraq before .Here is a earlier talk on the subject .
a reply to: butcherguy ETA this is him speaking a few years later ..


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posted on Jun, 20 2014 @ 08:58 AM
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Or we just trying to ride a dead horse. It worked before to find a reason to invade Iraq why not do it again. Or what is the chance that the labels on those cw barrels read made in usa and is new and it is use to supply to certain forces in say hmmm Syria.



posted on Jun, 20 2014 @ 09:00 AM
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Of course there were chemical weapons there. I've been telling people that since we started finding IEDs using Mustard rounds. There weren't many, but they were most definitely there.

But this is an awkward turn of events, maybe we'll get some kind of half assed explanation this time.



posted on Jun, 20 2014 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe



LOL.....nice. So we find them, make it known they are there, then leave and leave them there. Hmmm...does this wreak of a VERY planned operation in the works?

All according to a script apparently.
Of course the official US position now... is that there is nothing of weapons value there for ISIS to use. But the Brit says otherwise.
I think it 'reeks' as in the stink of the poo that they have been feeding us.



posted on Jun, 20 2014 @ 09:14 AM
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We left them there cause we can use the excuse to go back in there again.

War mongers and their followers never change.



posted on Jun, 20 2014 @ 09:16 AM
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a reply to: butcherguy

So the U.N and it's wealth of resources couldn't find any evidence of CW's, but a rag tag bunch of militants could?

There are only so many explanations for this-the first explantion is that the U.N dropped the ball and didn't do the job properly. The second explanation is that ISIS are more resourceful and knowledgeable than anyone expected, an the final explantion is...well we all have our suspicions.



posted on Jun, 20 2014 @ 09:24 AM
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Yesterday's thread about this:

Iraq crisis: Isis jihadists 'seize Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons stockpile' - live

We've always known that Iraq had chemical weapons. Check out the CIA's page about Al Muthanna:


Stockpiles of chemical munitions are still stored there. The most dangerous ones have been declared to the UN and are sealed in bunkers. Although declared, the bunkers contents have yet to be confirmed. These areas of the compound pose a hazard to civilians and potential blackmarketers.

Numerous bunkers, including eleven cruciform shaped bunkers were exploited. Some of the bunkers were empty. Some of the bunkers contained large quantities of unfilled chemical munitions, conventional munitions, one-ton shipping containers, old disabled production equipment (presumed disabled under UNSCOM supervision), and other hazardous industrial chemicals. The bunkers were dual-use in storing both conventional and chemical munitions. Figure 12 is a typical side-view of a cruciform shaped bunker.

The contents of two of the cruciform bunkers bombed during Desert Storm showed severe damage. Due to the hazards associated with this location, the UN decided to seal the bunkers.
UNSCOM viewed the contents of the two bunkers; however an accurate inventory was not possible due to the hazards associated with that environment.


That page is current as of 2007. This facility was bombed to hell during Desert Storm. Then part of the facility was converted to a CW destruction operation which was overseen by UNSCOM. From the CIA source:


After 1994, CW production related activities ceased at the Primary Al Muthanna site that once was Project 922 (Samarra’ Chemical Weapons Production and Storage Complex).A small security detail remained. Two sealed cruciform bunkers containing the largest declared stockpile of chemical munitions, old bulk chemical agent, and hazardous material associated with the CW program remained. The surrounding area at the facility became a refuse area or junkyard for relics of Iraq’s past CW weapons program.



The Iraqis razed and removed all existing structures for the biological/toxicological lab, mustard research lab, and Sarin production facility. In addition to complete removal of the facilities, complete foundations were excavated and removed. These actions were undertaken after the National Monitoring Directorate was displaced in Iraq and completed without international scrutiny.

The Tabun Production Facility was razed in a similar fashion to the other nerve agent production facilities in that all remnants of the existing facility were removed to include foundations and surrounding top layers of soil. Portions of the VX Production Facility were filled with sand. The facility was not razed by the Iraqis, however all equipment were removed (see Figure 10).


The upshot is that there were two bomb damaged bunkers that tested positive for CW agents that were in such a state that it was deemed too hazardous to clean up so they were sealed.

This all happened in the 90's. We never found yellow cake, mobile weapons labs, new chemical weapon facilities, stockpiles, etc. Do you think the Bush administration would have missed an opportunity for vindication? NOPE.
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posted on Jun, 20 2014 @ 09:34 AM
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a reply to: theantediluvian
I clicked on the link to yesterday's thread.
It was 404'd for some reason.



posted on Jun, 20 2014 @ 09:36 AM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: theantediluvian
I clicked on the link to yesterday's thread.
It was 404'd for some reason.



Thanks, fixed the link.



posted on Jun, 20 2014 @ 09:42 AM
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If there are WMDs there. My guess is that the us put them there recently to get the war machine turning again.



posted on Jun, 20 2014 @ 09:52 AM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe

various forms of chemical weapons, opposed to Bio-toxins and Nukes, are fairly easy to transport as most Chems are in a liquified state...Tanker trucks, for example, can a "shell game" with ease. Underground storage tanks, well buried / camoflagued, would be difficult even for modern tech to spot..

Yeah. having trained for NBC ops , given our guys gear is only good for 4 hours at a pop in a contaminated area, and 1 hour of that is required to pull out to a safe distance and exchange gear... this isn't a pretty sight...
{NBC nuclear Biological,chemical]



posted on Jun, 20 2014 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

actually there was something like 40 tons of yellow cake. we removed that with a quickeness. I remember the news about it lasting a couple of weeks.



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posted on Jun, 20 2014 @ 10:00 AM
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a reply to: Greywolf13A

Careful mate-you don't want to give ideas to crazy people who may read this thread...



posted on Jun, 20 2014 @ 10:04 AM
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originally posted by: JHumm
If there are WMDs there. My guess is that the us put them there recently to get the war machine turning again.


We've spent a good deal of time 8 years after Saddam's death in the country "nation building" and we didn't seem to find WMD before or during that. So why now? Syrian rebels which are also apart of ISIS used CW against citizens of syria.



posted on Jun, 20 2014 @ 10:10 AM
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a reply to: butcherguy

I know stories like this one are very convenient, but I do find myself thinking "what if they did have these WMD's all along?".. I know we are all jaded by our corrupt Govt. and they are 99% BSing this story to us, but I do wonder......



posted on Jun, 20 2014 @ 10:20 AM
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well if we know for sure just fire a couple of bunker busters in there....job done.

Who was looking for them 10 years ago..Mr Magoo or Bubbles from Trailer park boys.?
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posted on Jun, 20 2014 @ 10:24 AM
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originally posted by: watchitburn
Of course there were chemical weapons there. I've been telling people that since we started finding IEDs using Mustard rounds. There weren't many, but they were most definitely there.

But this is an awkward turn of events, maybe we'll get some kind of half assed explanation this time.


Of course they were there. Saddaam even used them against the Kurds.





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