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originally posted by: Boswell
a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe
there is no difficult decision between choosing between something i know is wrong and what is right. as some people have stated, there is no right or wrong since it comes down to those who are Team Stain and Team Stein- but who could disagree with millions of people who remember it as "Berenstein"? i do.
what made me lose interest in the people and thread is the lack of logical/reasonable discussion. yes, i know, we need to keep an open mind to the possibility that there are things that can happen in this universe that logic/reason are unable to solve, we should just believe that something as wildly fantastical as a slight variation in the spelling of a name can happen. but before we pull out the jump-to-conclusion mat, let's ask questions and search for a plausible answer. what's happening with this thread is that everyone is sharing what could be 20 year old memories, memories from when they were children, and when the memories are of Stein those who support Stein slap each other's backs and scoff at those who remember Stain. the team mentality is another reason why i lost interest. those on team Stein are superior while those who remember Stain are inferior. why is there a division? if this truly did happen, shouldn't both sides work together to find an answer? or does the side with more people win?
this was a fascinating topic. when people simply tally Steins and Stains and consider those with the most points a conclusion, it's no longer fascinating and it's no longer a discussion. there are those who want to find answers and those who want to confirm beliefs.
what would make for a fascinating discussion are questions. these are questions we could ask about this situation:
- what are the odds, considering parallel universes/multiverses/infinite timelines, that we should exchange an E for an A - with another reality?
- if someone has manipulated time, why something as trivial as an E for an A? what does that do in the long run?
- if we're in a simulation, why that particular error?
- if someone is manipulating memories, what purpose does changing letters serve?
- if time was manipulated, would not every memory change? meaning we would all firmly believe that it has always been Stein (making this conversation impossible to happen). if you say it could happen if we're in a simulation, then we have to believe that the machine we're in doesn't have enough power to efficiently change every memory, leaving those who remember it one way and the other. again, we have to ask the previous questions and we have to start searching for errors all over the world because if the machine can't handle what should be a simple task (the machine has to be quite advanced) then our memories/reality is always in flux and letters are being swapped all over the place.
- what if there is a mass amount of misspellings in the books? one area of the world may have received A while another E.
but the more important questions are the following:
- what specific memory do i have of the name? for example: i didn't know how to properly pronounce the name, everyone said Stein when it was spelled Stain.
- am i allowing my current knowledge of how Stein is spelled influence my memories?
- am i allowing the pronunciation to influence my memories?
- how accurate are my memories of the book?
- am i allowing the memories and conviction of others to influence my memories?
- can i think of other times i have misremembered something?
- are emotions overriding my reason?
- am i allowing myself to be fooled for the wrong reasons?
we also have to entertain the possibility that millions of people are misremembering, which is not meant to offend anyone. i could be misremembering. no one is stupid in this discussion, all we can work with are memories.
there is something wrong with this scenario, the matter of A or E, but it's more mundane than most are willing to admit.
a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
Any official image or cover saying "Berenstein" is photoshopped. Not one single cover has transferred with us from Universe E. There's no point in looking. Go ahead and look, but you will find the same thing as everyone else.
How do you like his "About me" comment:
originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
* It's the blogger from the OP. The guy whose blog post is the topic of this thread.
4. Recalling memories alters them
Although it’s a fundamental of memory, the idea that recall alters memories seems intuitively wrong. How can recalling a memory change it?
Well, just by recalling a memory, it becomes stronger in comparison to other memories. Let’s run this through an example. Say you think back to one particular birthday from childhood and you recall getting a Lego spaceship. Each time you recall that fact, the other things you got for your birthday that day become weaker in comparison.
The process of recall, then, is actually actively constructing the past, or at least the parts of your past that you can remember.
This is only the beginning though. False memories can potentially be created by this process of falsely recalling the past. Indeed, psychologists have experimentally implanted false memories.
This raises the fascinating idea that effectively we create ourselves by choosing which memories to recall.
5. Memory is unstable
The fact that the simple act of recall changes memory means that it is relatively unstable. But people tend to think that memory is relatively stable: we forget that we forgot and so we think we won’t forget in the future what we now know.
What this means is that students, in particular, vastly underestimate how much effort will be required to commit material to memory. And they’re not the only ones. This leads to…
I normally don't comment on blogs about our family name but yours was so unusual and imaginative that I thought it only appropriate to add my thoughts. "Berenstain" according to our family lore was an attempt by an unknown imigration officer sometime in the late 1800s to reproduce phonetically a highly accented version of the tradtional Jewish name "Bernstein" as pronounced by my Father's grandparents when they came to America from the Ukraine. In that linguistic region, the name tended to come out sounding something like, "Ber'nsheytn". Since that's how the name was originally documented, it has always been spelled that way by our family and it has always been misread and mispronounced by nearly everyone. It has always been "The BerenstAin Bears". Your parallel reality theory is very resourceful but, unfortunately, by applying Occam's razor, we arrive at the explanation that most people have just misread the name.Mike Berenstain (Son of Stan and Jan)
I don't really believe we switched universes.