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originally posted by: Feltrick
a reply to: Onslaught2996
When will breweries and distilleries be held liable for those killed by drunk drivers?
When will manufacturers of soft drinks be held liable for those who've died from diabetes and obesity?
Those two are costing this country more than gun violence!
Why should I have to pay the health care costs of someone who had a heart attack because they ate too much fast food?
I asked should someone be held responsible for these costs? Is it it OK for all taxpayers to foot the bill...or only those want guns?
originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Onslaught2996
I asked should someone be held responsible for these costs? Is it it OK for all taxpayers to foot the bill...or only those want guns?
Many criminal convictions include restitution for medical costs.
And many gun accidents lead into lawsuits that win medical payment awards.
Maybe that is the offset to your dilemma?
originally posted by: Destinyone
originally posted by: Onslaught2996
originally posted by: TDawgRex
a reply to: Onslaught2996
I ask this honestly. Why should companies be held liable for the crap that the main stream public crams down their throat...or lungs...or what they put into their hands...or drive...or what have you.
The warnings are all there. Out in public for all to see.
Are we now supposed to protect the stupid at the competent's expense?
Exactly..why should non gun owners have to pay out of their own pockets for another's hospital costs caused by guns.
(yes neo...guns don't yadda yadda)
Should non gun owners have to foot the bill? Should they have to pay part of the billions due to a tool they wanted nothing to with in the first place.
If you feel that cheated. Buy yourself a gun. Then, you won't feel like we gun owners are somehow pulling something over on you....
But, make sure to go after the people who own cars, and those who make cars too. It appears you aren't happy unless you are complaining about someone taking some pennies out of your pocket.
Des
originally posted by: Onslaught2996
originally posted by: beezzer
So this "freedom" is costing money.
So we should curtail this freedom because it costs a certain amount?
If it is cheaper than a predetermined amount, then would we be allowed to keep this freedom?
I never once said anything about you losing or limiting your 2nd amendment right. It is you and others who have brought that topic up...go back and read everything..not once did I say ban guns..limit guns..etc.
I asked should someone be held responsible for these costs? Is it it OK for all taxpayers to foot the bill...or only those want guns?
My point was this...why are the same people arguing for guns..not outraged that they are footing the bill for others stupidity? Yet would fight tooth and nail against paying for other things.
originally posted by: Onslaught2996
originally posted by: Destinyone
originally posted by: Onslaught2996
originally posted by: TDawgRex
a reply to: Onslaught2996
I ask this honestly. Why should companies be held liable for the crap that the main stream public crams down their throat...or lungs...or what they put into their hands...or drive...or what have you.
The warnings are all there. Out in public for all to see.
Are we now supposed to protect the stupid at the competent's expense?
Exactly..why should non gun owners have to pay out of their own pockets for another's hospital costs caused by guns.
(yes neo...guns don't yadda yadda)
Should non gun owners have to foot the bill? Should they have to pay part of the billions due to a tool they wanted nothing to with in the first place.
If you feel that cheated. Buy yourself a gun. Then, you won't feel like we gun owners are somehow pulling something over on you....
But, make sure to go after the people who own cars, and those who make cars too. It appears you aren't happy unless you are complaining about someone taking some pennies out of your pocket.
Des
You and the other guy just aren't getting it. When the topic is about cars..etc...then bring it up.
Should someone foot the bill for gun violence other than taxpayers?
I really don't care either way.
Just showing the hypocrisy of some the posters like you...why complain about American taxpayer paying so much for this and that..yet have no issue for this?
Why is this topic never brought up as a complaint when it comes to how your tax dollars are being spent?
originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
originally posted by: Onslaught2996
Guns manufacturers should be held responsible because they are not doing anything about keeping guns away from the wrong people.
Do you have any instances of firearms manufactures selling to anyone but licensed distributors?
originally posted by: solomons path
a reply to: Onslaught2996
Sorry . . . but, you are now on to another logical fallacy, which is "begging the question". I gave specific examples to show why your "reasoning" about gun manufacturers is unsound. Illogical. So, it was on topic to your argument.
As far as your last post about "footing the bill" . . . the same can be said for diabetes or issues regarding obesity. The public isn't "footing the bill", simply due to the fact that these are "gun" related injuries. The public is "footing the bill" due to the fact that people don't have the money to pay for their care, just like every other health care issue.
You are conflating issues to fit your illogical conclusions, while ignoring the facts that directly dispel "gun violence" being any more of an issue than it has been for decades (in fact, it's at an all time low), i.e. "special pleading".
So, is the issue "healthcare costs" and those that don't pay their bill . . . or is the issue "gun violence". What is your real beef? Again . . . why the intellectual dishonesty and intentional conflation of two unrelated issues? Are you being intentionally obtuse . . . or do you not understand your arguments are illogical and based on media/gov propaganda?
Are people really OK with these numbers? (billions of dollars being payed out for gun injuries)
Should gun manufacturers be held liable for these injuries? How about gun owners?
Why should people who want nothing to do with guns be paying out of their own pockets to cover these bills for others?
originally posted by: Onslaught2996
originally posted by: Destinyone
originally posted by: Onslaught2996
originally posted by: TDawgRex
a reply to: Onslaught2996
I ask this honestly. Why should companies be held liable for the crap that the main stream public crams down their throat...or lungs...or what they put into their hands...or drive...or what have you.
The warnings are all there. Out in public for all to see.
Are we now supposed to protect the stupid at the competent's expense?
Exactly..why should non gun owners have to pay out of their own pockets for another's hospital costs caused by guns.
(yes neo...guns don't yadda yadda)
Should non gun owners have to foot the bill? Should they have to pay part of the billions due to a tool they wanted nothing to with in the first place.
If you feel that cheated. Buy yourself a gun. Then, you won't feel like we gun owners are somehow pulling something over on you....
But, make sure to go after the people who own cars, and those who make cars too. It appears you aren't happy unless you are complaining about someone taking some pennies out of your pocket.
Des
You and the other guy just aren't getting it. When the topic is about cars..etc...then bring it up.
Should someone foot the bill for gun violence other than taxpayers?
I really don't care either way.
Just showing the hypocrisy of some the posters like you...why complain about American taxpayer paying so much for this and that..yet have no issue for this?
Why is this topic never brought up as a complaint when it comes to how your tax dollars are being spent?
originally posted by: solomons path
a reply to: neo96
I get that . . . I was hoping the OP would have a moment of "clarity" and just state his real purpose, instead of trying to seem "outraged" at the costs associated with gun related healthcare. Nor, is he really interested in examining the causation for "gun violence" and any subsequent costs associated.
It's clear, by his engaging in "begging the question" he has no real concerns about the public's "cost in healthcare" and is only on the typical anti-gun crusade.
originally posted by: Onslaught2996
originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
originally posted by: Onslaught2996
Guns manufacturers should be held responsible because they are not doing anything about keeping guns away from the wrong people.
Do you have any instances of firearms manufactures selling to anyone but licensed distributors?
Do you have any instances of gun manufactures making sure these same licensed distributors are not doing anything illegal or making sure the right people get guns?