Lockheed Martin RQ180 Confirmed

originally posted by: milomilo
a reply to: Zaphod58

the iranian hacked it or spoof it and fly the drone down safely . it didnt crash because it landed intact.

it is stupid for US goverment to think that other nations cannot counter it's weapon system / technology

and people who thought no one can beat stealth also taken in by the lies and propaganda of US goverment..

RQ180 will be just another piece of hardware to be targeted by the enemy as easy as pie.

US should stay out of other nation's airspace before something explosive came in form of ICBM to USA

Why dont you take a long walk off a short jetty pal, the whole reason for advances in weapon tech is to stay ahead of the game. One of the reasons they stopped the Commanche was because the US was already 2 steps ahead than anyone else with the Apache (and that it probably went more black see Osama raid technology).

You may not like America, I may not like it either, some Americans may not like it, but save your xenophobia for another forum, this is about aircraft and the RQ180 is lightyears away from you wonderfull Iranians.

a reply to: IamSirDrinksalot

the iranian hacked it or spoof it and fly the drone down safely . it didnt crash because it landed intact.

hang on, he is right! it didnt crash, they landed it.. didnt they?

a reply to: Agit8dChop

No. Look at the underside, and leading edge of the wing in the pictures of it in the gym. It was intact, but it wasn't landed safely. It suffered quite a bit of damage.

If they had landed it, why in the middle of the desert where they had to cut it into pieces to get it out, and not near a base somewhere?

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Agit8dChop

No. Look at the underside, and leading edge of the wing in the pictures of it in the gym. It was intact, but it wasn't landed safely. It suffered quite a bit of damage.

If they had landed it, why in the middle of the desert where they had to cut it into pieces to get it out, and not near a base somewhere?

they hack and hijack the drone control and they landed the drone close to the hijack place before the americans found out their drone goes missing. maybe they dont have the control to lower landing gear so it is a belly llanding and slightly damage the plane.

bottom line, the american stealth dont work against iran.. let alone against russia / china.. back to the old bombing campaign strategy now.. against SA300 / SA400... hundreds of american shot down just like vietnam

a reply to: milomilo

And yet they've only managed to get one, despite a few hundred flights in that area.

I always love hearing about how stealth is obsolete and doesn't work because of one, or two incidents in thousands of combat hours, or flying over unfriendly airspace.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: milomilo
And yet they've only managed to get one, despite a few hundred flights in that area.

True, but I imagine the Americans fixed the hole pretty quick after the 1st one went missing.

a reply to: Agit8dChop

It's completely gone on later aircraft. But you'd be amazed at how slow the CIA/military can move to fix things like that.

a reply to: Agit8dChop

Something frequently overlooked is that the RQ-170 wasn't supposed to exist, so it wasn't top of the line.

There was another platform that was under development that fell behind, leaving a big capabilities gap, that was filled by building the Sentinel out of off the shelf parts.

im flabbergasted on how american commenter think US military is infailliable. these commenters must be an uneducated teenagers that never read history on how american was defeated by low tech sandal wearing soldiers of vietnam

there is a reason why US never go forward with their plan to attack iran. it is because iranian have negated the US stealth advantage and US dont want to risk a war against nation capable of fighting back asymetrically, like activating iran's soldiers in US soils and do some mumbai style attacks on american malls , and mining persian gulf and destroying oil refineries there thus destroying world economy at the same time, and unleash Hezbollah holy warriors against israel to commence missile bombardment into israeli cities.

in short, US wont fight iran overtly, but they sure use covert means like these CIA trained and Saudi funded ISIS to destabilize the region and pull Iran into the chaos.

And since ISIS now allegedly got their hand on few Uranium, better be prepared for another US false flag attack like the 9-11 false flag , this time it will be nuclear false flag against One of US cities.

a reply to: milomilo

You have both underestimated stealth and vastly overestimated Russian technology. The new stealth systems can't be found by some of the best Western systems, when they know where it is. Contrary to what blogs and propaganda would have you believe, stealth is far outpacing any counters to it.

The US hasn't attacked Iran because its both not currently in a position to, while it reconstitutes after so long in Iraq and Afghanistan, and more importantly, because there is no reason to. The two nations are talking, which is far better than other possibilities. And contrary to what you would have people believe, the US isn't talking to Iran out of fear either.

a reply to: milomilo

Let me guess.... Su-47 Berkut blows F-22 out of the sky

the fragile psyche of americans cannot believe that others can defeat their weapon systems.. an arrogance that will lead to another debacle and defeat in the future when they try to fight a smart enemy with the will to fight.

Underestimating the iranian will be a grave mistake for the american.. If american think iranian will play on the same playing field and get slaughtered , they will be mistaken. Iranian learned the lessons of Gulf War thus they wont face american face to face but will engage in asymetrical warfare (read : unconventional). Can america face a nation that willingly sacrifice their youngboys to clear the iraqi minefields in iran iraq war ? You cannot defeat such nation with strong will to fight, just like american lost against vietnamese because their lack of will.

sadly some of you here still drunk on US Goverment kool-aid propaganda and think US military is so superior it can deploy it's super weapons and win any war.. wait, that reminds me of some nation with it's crazed leader who always think their super weapons will won the war , i wonder if anyone here knew their history ?

a reply to: milomilo

Iran (via Russian weapons) can easily defeat stealth, which is why Russia is rushing to build stealth aircraft.

Yep, makes complete sense to me. Weapon system is easily defeated, so spend billions to develop the same weapon type. Yep, perfect military strategy.

Is it possible than the RQ-180 will be built by Lockheed instead of NG ?

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: milomilo

Iran (via Russian weapons) can easily defeat stealth, which is why Russia is rushing to build stealth aircraft.

Yep, makes complete sense to me. Weapon system is easily defeated, so spend billions to develop the same weapon type. Yep, perfect military strategy.

You dont understand the basics of LO (Low Observable) in combat. While the details of stealh / LO is classified , the general knowledge is public.

LO / Stealth dont make an airplane invisible, it made it hard to detect at certain ranges and hard to track , that also only applicable to certain band of radar. it is not applicable to every band of radar waves.

Iran / Russian / Chinese all develop their counter stealth focusing on ground radar and not air to air. the LO shaping of stealth fighters are optimized for aircraft radar (X-Band) thus they are still useful in minimizing detection radius of stealth fighters in BVR combat.

See how the F22 / F35 and other stealth aircraft focuses their LO shaping on the front side only, thats when they approaced their enemy head on so they got LO advantage over their enemies. Once they turn tail and egress from combat, their tail will shine like spotlight to enemy IR detector and then they got some nice missile up their tailpipe.

The embarassing fact about iranian downing of RQ-170 is the ongoing denial by people from US of the possibility that an enemy can be sophisticated enough to hack their 'stealth drone'. This indicates a weak psyche of american people saturated with the propaganda that their nation's military is superior over other nations.

Some Profesional writer of aviation even said that the downing of RQ170 into iranian hands is like giving a ferrari to a horse-drawn culture, implying that iranian wont know what to do with RQ170 because they are too stupid. This boggles the mind that profesional aerospace writer wrote childish / foolish statement , but it showed the deeper symptom of the crisis of faith in US Technology. These people tried hard to hold on the fiction and myth that US enemies are backward and stupid, but when the real shooting started and the enemy is not as stupid as they think , the result will be 10x worse than vietnam war defeat..

originally posted by: milomilo

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: milomilo

Iran (via Russian weapons) can easily defeat stealth, which is why Russia is rushing to build stealth aircraft.

Yep, makes complete sense to me. Weapon system is easily defeated, so spend billions to develop the same weapon type. Yep, perfect military strategy.

You dont understand the basics of LO (Low Observable) in combat. While the details of stealh / LO is classified , the general knowledge is public.

LO / Stealth dont make an airplane invisible, it made it hard to detect at certain ranges and hard to track , that also only applicable to certain band of radar. it is not applicable to every band of radar waves.

Iran / Russian / Chinese all develop their counter stealth focusing on ground radar and not air to air. the LO shaping of stealth fighters are optimized for aircraft radar (X-Band) thus they are still useful in minimizing detection radius of stealth fighters in BVR combat.

See how the F22 / F35 and other stealth aircraft focuses their LO shaping on the front side only, thats when they approaced their enemy head on so they got LO advantage over their enemies. Once they turn tail and egress from combat, their tail will shine like spotlight to enemy IR detector and then they got some nice missile up their tailpipe.

I'm not sure where your getting your info but the rear of the f-22 is still way stealthier and any other plane in the world. It's thrust vectoring nozzles are a huge part of the planes design and shields the aircraft from the rear. That's ones of the reasons it's known as all aspect stealth.

originally posted by: darksidius
Is it possible than the RQ-180 will be built by Lockheed instead of NG ?

No NG won the competition and got the contract.

originally posted by: boomer135


I'm not sure where your getting your info but the rear of the f-22 is still way stealthier and any other plane in the world. It's thrust vectoring nozzles are a huge part of the planes design and shields the aircraft from the rear. That's ones of the reasons it's known as all aspect stealth.

You should really read and understand the basics of LO before repeating the lies from lockheed martin advertisement. Many Fighters got other means of detecting hostiles , for example using IRST.

The rear aspect of F22 is highly visible in IRST sensor, and the steath shaping wont save it from IR missile attack from behind.

a reply to: milomilo

I understand LO a lot better than you do. The F-22, and all new stealth aircraft are all aspect stealth, and are stealthy against all bands.

You should stop listening to and spreading propaganda. I've seen real world tests that prove stealth works, not to mention the thousands of hours of combat they have.