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Firefighter chases dog and both are missing 411?

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posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 12:56 PM
a reply to: WanDash

It seems you were right Wan
Check out the massive link Radar just posted you guys.
I've never seen it before.

posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 12:59 PM

originally posted by: radarloveguy
a reply to: randyvs

This thread by JKRog
The Underground Empire , may hold some clues

Thank you so much Radar, I'm setting some time aside tonight and will just sit and read.

posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 02:12 PM
a reply to: randyvs
Gotta Love Radar...or - is it - Radar Love?

That is interesting.
Have only read the opening post...and it looks to have garnished interest, could be a while, if it keeps me interested & entertained to the end.
What do you see..there, worth

~~~Ah - I see you are considering the same challenge (post above this).

Would be nice to hear what Radar thinks we should be looking for/at...over there...

posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 04:18 PM
Here is a quote from 727sky about the
ambient temperatures underground ...

"At only 2 miles below the surface the temperature of virgin rock is around 140°F.
Yet here we have stories of 5 mile deep caverns and people walking around ??
great stories which used to be told around the camp fires to the kids..

Without some kind of super ventilation and air conditioning system our fearless
explorers would be barbecued flesh on the cavern floor after they became
affiliated and passed out from all the noxious gases IMO.

Ask anyone who works on deep wells (less than 20,000 feet = 3.788 miles) what
type of temperatures they reach down hole which can melt all kinds of useful
things used to drill without a continuous supply of cool lubricating mud/fluid.

Like I said great story and much research you have obviously done...
but without pics (video would have been nice) and a depth and temperature
gauge I can't buy it.

The shallow ( 300 metres (980 ft) below the surface in Naica, Chihuahua, Mexico)
........ Even at that depth the Giant Crystal cave is extremely hot, with air
temperatures reaching up to 58 °C (136 °F) with 90 to 99 percent humidity
....... which means normal people can only stand the temperatures for about
10 minutes or run a real risk of vapor locking.

These supposedly underground caverns discussed in the Op are 5 miles deep;
THINK.. No doubt there are many deep caverns but I can guarantee you
there are not people walking around without some sort of well air conditioned
environmental protective suit.."

So maybe not 5 miles deep , but five miles IN ...
I mean HOW would they measure their depth ?

posted on Sep, 29 2015 @ 12:30 AM
a reply to: radarloveguy

Been think'n.

What if it's air cooled from an opening that sucks cold
air in from the north? An opening somewhere very remote?
Not sure of the logistics but it could be a possibility.
There's your air conditioning.

posted on Sep, 29 2015 @ 01:41 AM
a reply to: randyvs

Any underground system would need a lot of fresh air ,
but would it stay cool on it's way down there ?
I doubt it runs so deep , which would simplify the infrastructure.

A lot of witnesses have seen ufo's entering and exiting volcanoes .
Are they using empty lava tubes for access ?
And that underwater structure off Malibu ?

With thousands of missing people reported every year,
are they being eaten/ingested .?

I understand one of the recent 411 victim's body has not been
released to their family for burial , ... and so the mystery escalates .

edit on 29-9-2015 by radarloveguy because: (no reason given)

posted on Sep, 30 2015 @ 01:16 PM
Hey guys I'm just catching up.In regards to the cell phones...
I go to many farms to work my dog & compete in sheepdog herding.
There are 2 farms that are located ~ 2:30 hrs away from where I live
& there is NO Cell service...anther farm 2 hrs away with some cell
service. I farm sit for some friends of mine that are only 1 hr away
& there is zero cell service so when I am there no one can call me.

I know some people like to get out of the big city & when on vacation
don't want to "be on a leash" & they often don't take or use their cell.

All the places I mentioned above have computer service inside the home
& some with cell service in the house, & where I farm sit they have a land
line in the house. Also all of these are in mountainous areas & you can see
some power lines but the cell phone will not work.

When I lived in CA it was the same, less service to no service in the mountains.

I hope you can get out there to have a look around & I especially hope you
get to have a look at the "Spiral".


posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 02:05 AM
a reply to: randyvs

Hey Randy , your looking younger every day !

These 411 cases may be victims of Skinwalker
type entities. Evil spirits that can manifest in many forms
and disappear at will.
It is said that the manifestations have decreased since Bigelow
began researching the place .
Have they now chosen more remote hunting grounds
i.e national parks ! If this ranch in Utah is a portal
to their dimension , I see no reason , once their here ,
for them not to , move around unhindered.
But run-of-the-mill UFO events don't begin to describe the rich
array of unusual phenomena in this area. The Ute Indian tribe
has been here far longer than white settlers. Tribal leaders are
reluctant to speak to outsiders, but their oral history is replete
with examples of strange creatures and sightings. Indian lore
refers to some of these beings as Skinwalkers. Other cultures
call them shape-shifters, werewolves or Bigfoot.

"The Utes take this very seriously," Hicks says. "They think the
Skinwalkers are powerful spirits that are here because of a
curse that was put on them generations ago by the Navajos.
And the center of the whole legend is this ranch. The Utes say
the ranch is `the path of the skinwalker.' Tribe members are
strictly forbidden from setting foot on the property.
It's been that way for a long time."

posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 08:56 AM
a reply to: Ektar

I hope you can get out there to have a look around & I especially hope you
get to have a look at the "Spiral".

It's an odd thing, the guts it would take to do something now,
that at one time didn't even conern any nerve at all.

posted on Nov, 11 2015 @ 03:31 PM
Great read people!!!
To all that contributed THANK YOU for all the info'.
I've never heard of any of this stuff before.
The sheltered life I lead.......hmmmmm.
I don't know but I think he fell off the cliff by accident in the dark.
Things that puzzle me most;
Why chase an experienced hunting dog in the dark nearly naked & shoeless?
He was an experienced outdoors type with plenty of knowledge.
Why did the the dog & master separate?
Why climb a cliff & leave your dog?
What happened to his clothes to make him sit in camp nearly naked?
Why didn't the fishermen mention his clothes?
They mentioned the bag.
The FB devil pic was freaky & made me think, maybe his 'friend' killed him.
Too much to hide & for what motive?
I think the story told by the friend to the cops had been heard before & so they (cops) were willing to accept it.
Otherwise matey should be up on murder one IMHO.
Fantastic read, it took me two days & I haven't been back to ATS main page since lol!!!

edit on 11-11-2015 by supamoto because: a

posted on Nov, 14 2015 @ 10:14 AM
a reply to: supamoto
Hi, supamoto
Appreciate your consideration and discipline to get through such a lengthy read.

Fell off the cliff by accident?
That is a genuine possibility.
If he was, indeed, searching for Duke, under 'mysterious' circumstances...after 'hours' of search and climbing, that location would have enabled him to view a lot of the surrounding (lower) climbs in the full moon light.
Don't know if the condors/vultures are busy at night - but, owls are, and, if one 'swooped' him, while gazing across the mountainsides, he could have lost his footing on that shale. (or, any number of other explanations)

And, as you highlight - why leave/chase the dog (almost naked), and continue the search/chase without re-outfitting, when it became obvious that the search would entail more than a brief jog?

Someone said that their clothes were wet from crossing high water streams on the day's hike.

Thanks for keeping this fresh. So many unanswered questions.

posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 03:03 PM
a reply to: supamoto

I go back often and skim thru looking for certain pieces of information.
When it fits the context of what I'm currently reading. Couple times
I've gone thru almost the whole damn thread looking. I was honored
by some great members. I still scouff at simple explanations. Like
falling off a cliff because I believe it was a deputy Dean who said the
body was to far away from the cliff face. And the dogs not tracking
alone is completely bazaar when the body is fnally found only' 1250'
up from the campsite.

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