Upon arriving at Page 36
, this post, and its relatively unimpressive reception, drew my attention…
, (who has been a member for 10+ years, but
with this being only the second post in said 10 year membership, attributed to said account
)…purports to have been involved in the
search…gives a captivating perspective of the ‘campsite location’, and other ‘facts’ worth considering further than the apparent attention
and appreciation evident in the following & subsequent conversation/s evince.
(July 4, 2014 - 12:14 AM
“…by far, the most rugged terrain I have ever searched…”
…Day & Night time temps (90's & 60's respectively
) - Very survivable
…Running water AT campsite
…Pack was found "in camp along with
bare footprints leaving camp".
"The camp site was in a steep canyon with sides [too
] steep to climb. This only left up and down stream as logical directions of travel…"
"…The rocks were all moss/algae covered and very,very slick…"
"…though the creek was usually…10/15' wide…there were many deep pools…over 6'…"
…Within 10 minutes of jumping in, on first day of involvement…, had fresh bear tracks in the sand.
…Search aided by drones which were limited by the many chopper flights --- Both could not fly at the same time…
…A dive crew searched all pools below the camp site…
"…this is the most logical area to search.."
…Dog stayed within 1/2 square mile - scared - would not allow people…near…
…4-person team of professional animal trappers trying to catch…dog…
.-. -.-( 'professional' opinion follows
1. Dog fighting with bear or lion
- Only sane reason to go shoeless
] tangled with an animal or…tripped and fell with a fatal blow…
3. News reporting of partial brush coverage suggests an animal…
has not returned to this conversation (or any other public ATS-thread/s
) since this 2nd post in 10 years…and…the
suspense is killing me.
First - "Thank You!" to dinofinder
, for this information from the ground.
Next - I would like to challenge the above…to see if it can/will suffice as a solid story.
The 'placement of the campsite' hints at a possible discrepancy with other 'official' &/or 'interested' accounts.
The 'placement' puts the campsite, literally, "on" the creek/riverbed, and at high jeopardy in case of flash flood.
That does not make sense to me.
I am not even an avid hiker, and such a location would have been utterly absurd to me, if ANYONE suggested it.
So - first - we have an 'exceptional' outdoorsman, firefighter, EMT, etc…saying, "It'll be okay - I checked the weather" …and the other
'exceptional' athlete, firefighter, EMT, etc…saying, "Oh - Okay… Whatever you say." ?
The 'placement' is likely further at odds with the path/trail, drawn by the finger of the Deputy Sheriff (in the news conference announcing
the body's discovery
), that Duke had taken, when exiting 'camp'.
Steep canyon walls on both sides - only direction of travel was up or down the creekway
The Deputy Sheriff also pointed quite a distance downstream, at the location where Herdman was "last seen"…
I do not know if "last seen" meant 'physically witnessed by another human being
', or 'logically deduced
'…but…in either case, I am
presuming to rely on said testimony - that Herdman continued south along the creek path…TO, at least, that point.
- moss/algae-covered rocks - 10-15' wide creek…with 6' deep pools scattered along the way…
Whether the campsite was in
the riverbed, or on the rise ENE of it…the distance Herdman must have travelled…looking for
) Duke…was more than a mile.
And that – with many of those steps in moss/algae –covered rocks.
If he left the campsite at ~ 9:30 PM…how long would it have taken to traverse that distance, in those conditions & circumstances, and then/thus -
what time would it have been…before he decided to scale the mountain on the south side of said creek?
Did he push…all the way?
The ‘professional trackers’ said that the evidence in his footprint/s found heading south along the creekbed…showed that he was not running –
not in a hurry – and, apparently ‘not injured’.
I don’t see the footprints they must be referring to, as ‘the footprints’ at the campsite, that dinofinder
has identified (along
with the backpack
~ Unless, of course, he didn't leave the campsite…in a hurry…to find/retrieve Duke…
- Duke stayed within 1/2 square mile - (scared)
…Within 1/2 square mile…of what?
The body was close to 2 miles from the campsite (whether it was on the rise or in the creekbed
)…and over a mile from where Herdman
was reportedly "last seen".
Meaning - if the dog was within a half-mile of the campsite - I am forced to question if Duke even knew where Herdman's body was…
And - if he didn't - - - well - - that's another can of worms to consider.
Bear, mountain lion, rabid porcupine or giant condor had nothing to do with the events that led to the death of Herdman.
No such injuries reported on Duke - and no such evidences in the footprints, as interpreted by the 'professional trackers'.
If no 'external' threat was driving him… And…he was not making haste
… What else could have 'driven' him that far from camp…through such
difficult & treacherous conditions…before he chose an even more
difficult & treacherous path, up a steep mountain slope…that would have
taken another - - - 'how long'?
And - if that isn't enough - he decides to scale one more rock wall face…
Unless he was on some warrior's quest…I don't see how or why a normally rational person would continue to make those choices.
edit on 10/26/2014 by WanDash because: rephrase
edit on 10/26/2014 by WanDash because: whittling away