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I see a new conclave taking place in near future in the Vatican, I am so Sorry.

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posted on Jun, 19 2014 @ 02:06 PM
a reply to: LABTECH767

Dear Labtech767,

I really can't confirm you that HH John Paul I was planning to carry out a huge reform in the Church, but what I am sure is that he was really affronting a lot of pressure due to financial issues that were unsolved and perhaps even undetected by his predecessor ( HH Paul VI) concerning an imminent bankruptcy of the Ambrosiano Bank, where the Vatican had invested millions, among many other people that became defrauded with it.

There is no doubt in my mind that Albino Luciani was a humble person, his decision to suppress the Papal coronation ceremony is clear in that respect, but he was also a Holy man. There is even a story around an accomplished prediction he gave about who was going to be his successor ( HH John Paul II).

Here it is the story:

Also there are miracles attributed through his intersection,

and a cause of Canonization in his favor, even supported since many years ago by the Jesuits.

here a complete record of how the cause for his canonization is right now,

Thanks for your comment,

The Angel of Lightness

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posted on Jun, 19 2014 @ 02:32 PM

originally posted by: ArchPlayer
a reply to: The angel of light

I believe by the pope prophecy he is supposed to be it. I believe he was supposed to be Peter the Roman, or the interim guy was supposed to be I forgot, but according to lore, he's it.

Let's see if he has to flee Rome first.

Hey, the OP is right about one thing - He won't be there long if the prophecy of the popes is legit.

posted on Jun, 19 2014 @ 02:47 PM
I cant help but read the OP's posts in the voice of a concerned Eric Cartman...sorry....but I cant.

If you read most Catholicism conspiracy forums they allege some sort of incident which has led to the retirement of Adolfo Nicolas Pachon (the black pope) and will eventually lead to the imminent retirement of the current Pope.

This is widely claimed on the internet so did the OP happen across any of these predictions pre vision?

posted on Jun, 19 2014 @ 07:11 PM
a reply to: ketsuko

The Peace of God to all that belong to the light,
Dear Ketsuko and ArchPlayer,

I have already mentioned of a suspicious gap existing in the original list of St Malachy, a line that exist drawn in between the last Pope of it and the one before him, what might suggest that possibly there are names omitted on it.

However, that is not the only problem in interpretation of that prophecy, there is also something even more determinant to say that the counting that at present many modern interpreters of it are doing is wrong.

According with a lot of these experts in Prophecy, there has been 112 popes already in between the time of St Malachy and our current one, but what it is not said is that in all those enumerations they are including all the AntiPopes that have existed, that are about 10.

If you check carefully the list you are going to find that the following positions are not really legitimate Popes, but just pretenders: 6,7,8,36,42,43,44,,49,50,53

Pls check:

Therefore, I claim , and with good reason that if we don't count those 10 false Popes, we are right now just in the 102 of the list of St Malachy, what means that HH Francis I can't be the last one of it.

Thanks for your attention,

The Angel of Lightness

posted on Jun, 21 2014 @ 08:41 PM
a reply to: The angel of light
The Peace of God to all that belong to the light,
Dear Readers,

Today HH Pope Francis I reappeared in public and for surprise of many in the very mecca of the Italian
Mafia territory, in which with a courage that make us remember HH Pope John Paul II, he condemned
the crime syndicate and decreed Excommunication for all their members.

The speech of the Pope against the Mafia was extremely clear in to underline that such activity is not
only criminal but sinful in the most grave level.

Here are the news reports:

Thanks for your attention,

The Angel of Lightness

posted on Jun, 29 2014 @ 07:38 PM
a reply to: The angel of light

The Peace of God to all that belong to the light
Dear Readers,

Weeks have passed since I opened this thread, and the Pope is still periodically disappearing of public events. I would to say that my initial impression has changed, but unfortunately that is not the case.

I am trying to don't worry in excess of what can arrive for the world if His Holiness would be forced either to renounce of if his health enters in critical state, but the causal line I am perceiving is the same of weeks ago, and I am afraid that the trip the Pope is planing for the end of this summer in Korea is not advisable at all to him.

The Vatican public affairs office insist a lot that the health of the Pope is not bad, but I feel his condition is not so Ok to risk him in a long trip. What is evident is that he looks really tired, suffering of a fatigue that is not improving.

That tour is to a so much far country in a very hot season and also under the constant political tension that the peninsula has had experienced along the last two years. I think is neither the place and neither the time for HH Pope Francis I to go in such a trip.

Finally, some lay Catholics have asked that the Papal Mass for peace not be celebrated at the Seoul cathedral, but in a location closer to the border between North and South Korea. I think the intention is really good, but I don't think that proposed place is a minimal secure scenario for a Papal visitation, it is extremely risky.

Thanks for your attention,

The Angel of Lightness

Thanks for your attention,

The Angel of Lightness
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posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 06:01 PM
a reply to: The angel of light

The Peace of God to all that belong to the light,
Dear readers,

A bad omen in the speech of HH Pope Francis I that was very visible not only by the thousands of pilgrims that were attending the act in the St Peter Square at Rome, but also transmitted through the media to the entire world, happened at the end of January of this year.

Two doves that were released by Children, from the same window that the Pope was giving his Blessing to the multitude, and that represented an intention of peace for Ukraine, were attacked fiercely by bizarre birds.

This is certainly a bad premonition about how fragile is the situation that the World peace is right now experiencing, with the Crisis in Ukraine, the horrible violence of the battle in between Hamaz and Israelian troops in Gaza, and the tensions in the Korean Peninsula.

Pls read

Now, we also have seen the dramatic recovery of the corpses of the Malaysian airlines flight that was downed by a mysterious terrorist attack over Ukraine. Apparently there is even a conspiracy to try to hide the real circumstances in which this barbarian act have occurred.

Thanks for your attention,

The Angel of Lightness
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posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 09:33 AM
a reply to: The angel of light

The Peace of God to all that belong to the Light,
Dear Readers,

Today August 19th 2014 finally the confirmation of my claim , released in June 18th 2014, about two months ago ( through which we have seen and listened dozens of denials from the Vatican Press office about the bad health of the current Holy father) has been expressed publically by the Pope himself in his trip to South Korea.

HH. Pope Francis I has openly said to the media that he does not expect to be more than 1 or 2 additional years in the Throne of St Peter, at most, surprising thousands of pilgrims that were attending the public act.

Pls read:

Moreover, he has said clearly that he is feeling that his death is approaching.

This news is coming after an emphatic campaign of denial from the Vatican official media that was all the time referring to the speculations as mere unfounded rumors triggered by just some isolated episodes of fatigue boosted by a so much warm summer.

June 18th, the same day that this thread was created:

June 19th, a day after we started this thread,

June 20th, just two days after this thread was opened:

Unfortunately for the Pope a so sad and bad news to him is just arriving today with the confirmation of the death , by Highway accident, of some of his more close relatives.

This so grave calamity in the Pope's family ( 3 relatives killed at once) can make even more difficult for him to deal with his health problems and boost the fatal outcome he is expecting to occur soon.

My prayers are now for the Pope Francis, that may God assist him during the last months of his Pontificate , especially concerning the grave world issues that we are right now dealing with , with the war in Ukraine and in the Middle east that will demand all his attention.

Also let me pray for the strength that will be required by more than a billion of Catholics around the world to face another Papal transition in the near future, and that finally this will bring to that the most important Christian congregation of the world the stability required with the election of a new Pope younger and in good health.

Thanks for your attention,

The Angel of Lightness

posted on May, 19 2018 @ 11:52 PM
a reply to: ketsuko

Dear Ketsuko,

It has been really long time since we were discussing what could be the next Papal transition, I think this is the time to come back, since we are approaching to the climax of this pontificate.

This 2018 is a determinant year for the realm of who is right now known as HH The Pope Francis. A lot of challenges are still present for this Latin American Pole, that many consider so much liberal, but time has ran fast and at least in my impression he is entering in the very last part of it.

What right now attract my attention is Not just only a neccessary balance of his office, but also the way the Papal transition will occur.

My feelings say to me that the Resignation of HH Benedict XVI is just the first of others to be seen at future. It is likely we are not going into another 8 years Pontificate again, and 5 years is more than what Jorge Bergoglio expected to rule.

The Pope is Not necessarily in so much bad health condition to remain in his Job, he is still strong and brilliant, but I think he would prefer to leave to see his successor starting a new Chapter in the History of the Roman Catholic Church, than to never see that by himself.

Do you share this same point of view?


The Angel of Lightness

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posted on Jul, 28 2018 @ 01:25 PM
a reply to: The angel of light

but I think he would prefer to leave to see his successor starting a new Chapter in the History of the Roman Catholic Church, than to never see that by himself.

Pope Francis may choose to lead the church throughout the Chastisement, or to step aside if he feels he doesn't have the necessary strength. As you say, to see his successor, as Benedict saw Francis.

Is Francis Petrus Romanus? He might or might not be. I'd rather think it is he himself.

And where are we on the timeline of the revelation?

I think we are between the 5th seal and the 6th seal.
1st seal first horse -Belle epoche and spread of Christianity literally to the ends of the earth,
2nd seal/ horse - WW1
3rd seal/ horse - great Depression
4th seal/ horse - WW2
5th seal - persecutions by totalitarian regimes of christians

6th seal event of rolling sky being the Great Warning.

And after that we will have visible physical manifestation of Angels who will seal the 144,000.
And uncountable number of people from all tribes will stand before the throne of God (rapture event).
The Church will change too. And that is before the Chastisement, that starts in the following Trumps (meteorites and asteroids in the first three trumps).

We do not know how much time we have between the sixth seal and the seventh seal. The seventh seal gives one week = half prophetic hour silence in heaven, one week given before the Trumps start with falling meteorites. But may be before that we will have more time. Time in which the people on earth can make their choice. As Our Lady speaks in many apparitions of the conditional nature of the Chastisement and its extend.

If pope Francis chooses to resign now, he may give the way for some from the coming 144,000 young men to take the rule of the Church and change the things before it is too little too late. If he doesn't want to play martyr and to sacrifice the entire city of Rome, as Fatima official version says. Why should that happen? Fatima is conditional prophecy. And Malachi is not a dogma.
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posted on Jul, 28 2018 @ 02:25 PM
well, if Francis resigns -> He cannot install a Church Leader to be Seated in Jerusalem (have a geo-political-religious Standing)….

I have long mused that Francis would himself become that Church Official of Great Standing in Jerusalem...

it's been some 37 years since I last used the Catholic Church Sacraments, (son & daughter's first communion ritual)

but I casually follow the Catholics goings on...Francis does a lot of Contrarian stuff in accepted Catholic practice, there is even rumors of Francis being at the fringe of Heretical thought/deeds as to the 'flock'

if I were so inclined--- I would (At this stage of my life) elect to practice Orthodoxy instead of the Vatican (See) Religion


posted on Jul, 28 2018 @ 04:41 PM
a reply to: The angel of light This is really a sincere question. Why does anyone have anything to do with a "religion" that harbors and protects pedophiles? How can you look the other way? What difference does a pope make? The history and abuses of the catholic church are well known and documented.They are still occurring to this day. What excuse warrants putting your head in the sand and sponsoring this most hideous organization?

posted on Aug, 2 2018 @ 03:07 PM
a reply to: 2012newstart

The seven seals as described in the holy scriptures were:

Seal Opening Symbols
First White horse Bow, crown
Second Red horse Great sword
Third Black horse Scales
Fourth Pale horse Death
Fifth Souls of martyrs White robes
Sixth Great earthquake Darkness
Seventh Seven angels Seven Bowls

I think your interpretation of the seals is simplistic, it is several times more complex actually if we spend time to analyze them:

The First seal is the expansion of the great colonial empires around the world, from Constantine the Great to Charle Magne and Philip II of Spain and Portugal, as well as Isabel I of England, to her successor Queen Victoria, the expansion of Japan through far east, and Tsar Nicholas II Romanoff.

The Second seal represents all the great insurrections, civil wars and revolutions, from Spartacus to Robespierre, then to Tomas Jefferson and George Washington, as well as, Simon Bolivar and Jose de San Martin in southamerica, then to Emiliano Zapata and Francisco Villa, to Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin until Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez again in the Caribbean.

The third seal represents The great economic crises of humanity,from the fall of the Roman empire, the fall of , to the byzantine empire, the French and English revolutions, to the famine suffered in Ukraine and Russia during Stalin Years, The great leap famine in China, The famine in Ethiopia, The Great depression in the USA, or the terrible German recession after WWI that opened the path for Hitler to power, as well as the The Jewish Holocaust he boosted to 'cure' Germany.

The Fourth Seal symbolizes the annihilation of nations that comprise Napoleon Wars, WWI, WWII, the regional conflicts of the Cold war, the war of terrorism, but also include the terrible epidemics of humanity from the black plague then to the small pox, the Polio, the Cholera, the influenzas, the Ebola and the Aids.

The fifth seal are all the religious prosecutions that represented sacrifice of martyrdombeginning with Nero in Ancient Rome to the terrible anticlerical crimes of the Reform wars in Mexico and the ones committed by communists in Russia and China in XX century, including the Isis genocides of Assyrian Christians and it reaches a terrible climax with the mysterious death of Pope HH John Paul I and the attempt of assassination of his successor HH John Paul II.

I agree that the Sixth seal is where we are right now moving and it began with celestial events that are signals of the commotion of the Universe in the great battle between Good and Evil forces: the Tunguska explosion in 1908, between the first and the second Russian Revolutions, The really close encounters with the Haley comet of 1044, during the Norman Invasion to England, 1456, during the Turkish assault over Hungary and in 1910, during the Mexican Revolution, plus the two great impacts of asteroids on the moon in 1178, when the saracen fleets were attacking southern Europe, and in September of 2013, after the Arab Spring, finally with the Chelyabinsk meteor striking in the Urals in February of that last year, less than a year before the Euromaidan revolution in Ukraine.

Let me clarify that my interest on the final outcome of the current pontificate correspond to the fact that Roman Catholicism is the largest religious community of the world, so what ever happen to it has no doubt an impact on the large scheme of things, either if we admire or not it. The weight of Catholics around the world is undeniable under any consideration.

There is indeed corruption inside the Catholic circles, but as I have told in multiple occasions we can find very similar corruption in many other religious denominations around the world, because there are powerful corruptive forces moving to promote it, the principal of which are the international mafias that spread pornography, sexual exploitation or slavery and prostitution.

Thanks for your attention,

The Angel of Lightness
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posted on Aug, 4 2018 @ 08:54 AM
I admit that your view on the seals is more complex and longer in all 2000y history. Whether mine is simplistic, let it be so
I wrote more in other threads.

Khrushchev said, ""we are not catholics, we are not even christians, but we cannot not take into account that one billion people on this planet are catholics""

We need a radical change in the Vatican, much bigger than what pope Francis tries to do. And I don't mean new morals, what most people ultimately understand to abolish all restrictions. We need a new way to look at the things, if you will to adopt more Christ-like way in history. The social kingdom of God after the directions given at the Sermon on the Mount, or some seers say, the Eucharistic reign. Who knows how it would be named after it happens. May be the next era of Christianity according to Bartholomew Holzhauser.

This is one of my last posts here, for personal reasons I will not be able to continue my activity in the way I did for how many years so far. I am thankful to you, Angel of Lightness, to people who were in this forum before, who made the stay here worth of it.

We are before the biggest changes in history after the first coming of Jesus Christ. No doubt about it. See how many Marian apparitions, although we may accept some and not accept others. What is to come, is still unknown to us, but soon we will see it.
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