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Are we witnessing the beginning of ethnic cleansing in Ukraine?

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posted on Jun, 24 2014 @ 08:51 AM
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originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: Vovin

All very interesting, but you can post as many randomly selected videos in an attempt prove whatever point you like, but where's the evidence of ethnic cleansing, as per the OP.

Where's the evidence that the UN report is wrong?

Regards


Maybe you should give pointers on how the UN is still legitimately working in the name of universal justice?

Israel just carried out an act of war on Syria, bombing government infrastructure and murdering soldiers. Where the hell is the UN to condemn these dangerous bastards? Any condemnation will be vetoed because countries like the USA will claim that Israel can do whatever it wants. Why is the UN not doing its job and punishing countries that pose a threat to world peace? Because it's a farce.

If you think I'm supposed to believe your narrative just because some UN agency may concur, doesn't mean jack to me. The UN is a joke, almost as laughable as USA foreign policy.




posted on Jun, 24 2014 @ 08:58 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Vovin

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: cosmonova
This proves that there are far right nationalist organisations in Ukraine, which we all know. It does not prove ethnic cleansing, as per your OP. Earlier, you asked people to keep on topic.

Anyway, this type of post cuts both ways, as has already been discussed. For example, Pavel Gubarev, the self-proclaimed "people's governor" of the Donetsk People's Republic, was a member of a nasty little bunch of neo-Nazis which is well documented. He's now living his dream.

en.wikipedia.org...

Regards



there are far right organisations in almost every country. And they are minor groups who organise from time to time street protests or similar events strictly monitored by police. In some countries they are prohibited to even do that.
What we have in Ukraine is a completely different story. The far right organisations are armed by government and they now represent a core of Nazguard, Azov batallion and various other paramilitary formations roaming Novorossiya, shelling cities, destroying infra-structure, and terrorising local population.
Those ones left in Ukrainian cities organise events such as Odessa massacre, attack on Russian embassy or this
attack on Orthodox Church I posted above (thankfully they were stop before causing any damage to the church).
Bottom line is that core of Ukrainian patriotism and nationalism is Russophobia and hatred towards anything Russian.
Period. Proudly sponsored by US/EU.
Anyone who expect ethnic Russians to clap to that and support United Ukraine is out of touch with reality.


Might want to read this before you start believing Russian propaganda.

www.stopfake.org...


Oh wow one fake photo that was already widely know about as being from a film set. It certainly doesn't disprove Operation Gladio as "Russian propaganda".

At this opportunity Id like to present this video of a west Ukraine talk show that invited a veteran British war journalist to talk about his experiences in east Ukraine. When he wasn't saying the things the crowd expected, the reaction was priceless. Clearly these people have been cut off from reality for some time.



Yeah once again RT and other Russian media use movies and fake videos to try to prove a point. See this is called lying yet you continue to believe it. As far as Gladio glad you mentioned that actually that again was more Russian propaganda. Russia forged documents on that one trying to make it seem to be something else entirely.

web.archive.org...://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2006/Jan/20-127177.html


The video I showed was a west Ukraine show and has nothing to do with Russia or RT.

And Operation Gladio is Russia propaganda? You are a joke, buddy. Go educate yourself, maybe start with American-produced books on the subjects that clearly define right-wing terrorism sponsored by NATO during the Cold War. It's real facts. Just because you can't handle the truth doesn't mean that you can ignore the truth.

The legacy of the American Empire is best known to the non-Americans of the world who have sat back and watched this stuff unfold. And now people like you sit there and tell me that it's just "Russian propaganda"? Do you think other people of the world are so stupid?



posted on Jun, 24 2014 @ 09:23 AM
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originally posted by: Vovin

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Vovin

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: cosmonova
This proves that there are far right nationalist organisations in Ukraine, which we all know. It does not prove ethnic cleansing, as per your OP. Earlier, you asked people to keep on topic.

Anyway, this type of post cuts both ways, as has already been discussed. For example, Pavel Gubarev, the self-proclaimed "people's governor" of the Donetsk People's Republic, was a member of a nasty little bunch of neo-Nazis which is well documented. He's now living his dream.

en.wikipedia.org...

Regards



there are far right organisations in almost every country. And they are minor groups who organise from time to time street protests or similar events strictly monitored by police. In some countries they are prohibited to even do that.
What we have in Ukraine is a completely different story. The far right organisations are armed by government and they now represent a core of Nazguard, Azov batallion and various other paramilitary formations roaming Novorossiya, shelling cities, destroying infra-structure, and terrorising local population.
Those ones left in Ukrainian cities organise events such as Odessa massacre, attack on Russian embassy or this
attack on Orthodox Church I posted above (thankfully they were stop before causing any damage to the church).
Bottom line is that core of Ukrainian patriotism and nationalism is Russophobia and hatred towards anything Russian.
Period. Proudly sponsored by US/EU.
Anyone who expect ethnic Russians to clap to that and support United Ukraine is out of touch with reality.


Might want to read this before you start believing Russian propaganda.

www.stopfake.org...


Oh wow one fake photo that was already widely know about as being from a film set. It certainly doesn't disprove Operation Gladio as "Russian propaganda".

At this opportunity Id like to present this video of a west Ukraine talk show that invited a veteran British war journalist to talk about his experiences in east Ukraine. When he wasn't saying the things the crowd expected, the reaction was priceless. Clearly these people have been cut off from reality for some time.



Yeah once again RT and other Russian media use movies and fake videos to try to prove a point. See this is called lying yet you continue to believe it. As far as Gladio glad you mentioned that actually that again was more Russian propaganda. Russia forged documents on that one trying to make it seem to be something else entirely.

web.archive.org...://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2006/Jan/20-127177.html


The video I showed was a west Ukraine show and has nothing to do with Russia or RT.

And Operation Gladio is Russia propaganda? You are a joke, buddy. Go educate yourself, maybe start with American-produced books on the subjects that clearly define right-wing terrorism sponsored by NATO during the Cold War. It's real facts. Just because you can't handle the truth doesn't mean that you can ignore the truth.

The legacy of the American Empire is best known to the non-Americans of the world who have sat back and watched this stuff unfold. And now people like you sit there and tell me that it's just "Russian propaganda"? Do you think other people of the world are so stupid?


No one said it wasnt real just not what you think it is as they say do some research.operation gladio was modelled after the french resistance of world war 2. The theory was when the soviets invaded Europe there would be weapons stashes and trained troops behind enemy lines. They learned this was invaluable asset during world war 2 with the french resistance. Russia forged documents to turn it into something else entirely. Trust me the soviets were goodat propaganda and Putins continuing that tradition.See the Russians forged an army manual creating the myth of Gladio.




Excerpt of Congressional Record statement on July 15, 1994, by Senator Strom Thurmond challenging the nomination of Morton Halperin (of Pentagon Papers fame) to a Defense Department position:

CAIB 1/79: "reprints a top secret U.S. army memo on infiltrating and subverting allies--although the Army continues to deny it was an official document.''
[Fact: the Army did more than deny it was 'an official document.' The alleged 'army memo' ['F. M. 30-31B'] was exposed as a KGB forgery. See House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, hearing, 'Soviet Covert Action (The Forgery Offensive),' February 1980, pp. 12, 13 and Appendix: 'CIA Study: Soviet Covert Action and Propaganda,' pp. 66 and 67; 176-185.]




edit on 6/24/14 by dragonridr because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 24 2014 @ 11:21 AM
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a reply to: Vovin

Yeah, well the UN may be a joke, but that's not the point, nor is your inability to disprove anything in their report, but hey ho.

The point I am pressing from you is the evidence to support the OPs claim that ethnic cleansing in Eastern Ukraine against Russians.

Regards



posted on Jun, 24 2014 @ 11:34 AM
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originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: Vovin

Yeah, well the UN may be a joke, but that's not the point, nor is your inability to disprove anything in their report, but hey ho.

The point I am pressing from you is the evidence to support the OPs claim that ethnic cleansing in Eastern Ukraine against Russians.

Regards


There isnt any or Russia would be in front of the UN screaming. Which means it isnt occurring any where else but on Russian television.



posted on Jun, 24 2014 @ 03:13 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr




There isnt any or Russia would be in front of the UN screaming. Which means it isnt occurring any where else but on Russian television.


I wonder if they are reporting what they are doing to the Tartars in Crimea, because that is ethnic cleansing.



posted on Jun, 24 2014 @ 05:41 PM
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Ukraine, 2014.
Hatred and indoctrination with nazi ideology starts at childhood.
This country is going to sign association agreement with EU in 2 days.





posted on Jun, 24 2014 @ 06:09 PM
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column of refuges on Russian border, escaping from shelling and destruction by Nazguard forces.



interesting comment on this clip by one of the people supporting United Ukraine


a better description: crowd of russian pigs leaving Ukraine, hopefully forever. Goodbye, go home, go to stable, don't come back!



posted on Jun, 24 2014 @ 06:23 PM
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once again, lets see who is behind Maidan and this civil war in Ukraine that is causing suffering and exodus of people in Novorossiya.



A great article from Paul Craig Roberts on US meddling and causing animosities in Europe.
EU folks, time to wake up, for the sake of peace and independence from US hegemony, the empire should dissolve peacefully.



Putin knows that the UK is a complete vassal puppet state, that Cameron is just as bought-and-paid-for as Blair before him. Putin’s hope for diplomacy over force rests on Germany and France. Both countries face Europe’s budget and employment woes, and both countries have significant economic relations with Russia. German business interests are a counterweight to the weak Merkel government’s subservience to Washington. Washington has stupidly angered the French by trying to steal $10 billion from France’s largest bank. This theft, if successful, will destroy France’s largest bank and deliver France to Wall Street.

If desire for national sovereignty still exists in the German or French governments, one or both could give the middle finger to Washington and publicly declare that they are unwilling for their country to be drawn into conflict with Russia for the sake of Washington’s Empire and the financial hegemony of American banks.

Putin is betting on this outcome. If his bet is a bad one and Europe fails not only Russia but itself and the rest of the world by accommodating Washington’s drive for world hegemony, Russia and China will have to submit to Washington’s hegemony or be prepared for war.

As neither side can afford to lose the war, the war would be nuclear. As scientists have made clear, life on earth would cease, regardless of whether Washington’s ABM shield works.

This is why I oppose Washington’s policies and speak out against the arrogance and hubris that define Washington today. The most likely outcome of Washington’s pursuit of world hegemony is the extinction of life on earth.


www.paulcraigroberts.org...



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posted on Jun, 24 2014 @ 07:51 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Vovin

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Vovin

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: cosmonova
This proves that there are far right nationalist organisations in Ukraine, which we all know. It does not prove ethnic cleansing, as per your OP. Earlier, you asked people to keep on topic.

Anyway, this type of post cuts both ways, as has already been discussed. For example, Pavel Gubarev, the self-proclaimed "people's governor" of the Donetsk People's Republic, was a member of a nasty little bunch of neo-Nazis which is well documented. He's now living his dream.

en.wikipedia.org...

Regards



there are far right organisations in almost every country. And they are minor groups who organise from time to time street protests or similar events strictly monitored by police. In some countries they are prohibited to even do that.
What we have in Ukraine is a completely different story. The far right organisations are armed by government and they now represent a core of Nazguard, Azov batallion and various other paramilitary formations roaming Novorossiya, shelling cities, destroying infra-structure, and terrorising local population.
Those ones left in Ukrainian cities organise events such as Odessa massacre, attack on Russian embassy or this
attack on Orthodox Church I posted above (thankfully they were stop before causing any damage to the church).
Bottom line is that core of Ukrainian patriotism and nationalism is Russophobia and hatred towards anything Russian.
Period. Proudly sponsored by US/EU.
Anyone who expect ethnic Russians to clap to that and support United Ukraine is out of touch with reality.


Might want to read this before you start believing Russian propaganda.

www.stopfake.org...


Oh wow one fake photo that was already widely know about as being from a film set. It certainly doesn't disprove Operation Gladio as "Russian propaganda".

At this opportunity Id like to present this video of a west Ukraine talk show that invited a veteran British war journalist to talk about his experiences in east Ukraine. When he wasn't saying the things the crowd expected, the reaction was priceless. Clearly these people have been cut off from reality for some time.



Yeah once again RT and other Russian media use movies and fake videos to try to prove a point. See this is called lying yet you continue to believe it. As far as Gladio glad you mentioned that actually that again was more Russian propaganda. Russia forged documents on that one trying to make it seem to be something else entirely.

web.archive.org...://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2006/Jan/20-127177.html


The video I showed was a west Ukraine show and has nothing to do with Russia or RT.

And Operation Gladio is Russia propaganda? You are a joke, buddy. Go educate yourself, maybe start with American-produced books on the subjects that clearly define right-wing terrorism sponsored by NATO during the Cold War. It's real facts. Just because you can't handle the truth doesn't mean that you can ignore the truth.

The legacy of the American Empire is best known to the non-Americans of the world who have sat back and watched this stuff unfold. And now people like you sit there and tell me that it's just "Russian propaganda"? Do you think other people of the world are so stupid?


No one said it wasnt real just not what you think it is as they say do some research.operation gladio was modelled after the french resistance of world war 2. The theory was when the soviets invaded Europe there would be weapons stashes and trained troops behind enemy lines. They learned this was invaluable asset during world war 2 with the french resistance. Russia forged documents to turn it into something else entirely. Trust me the soviets were goodat propaganda and Putins continuing that tradition.See the Russians forged an army manual creating the myth of Gladio.




Excerpt of Congressional Record statement on July 15, 1994, by Senator Strom Thurmond challenging the nomination of Morton Halperin (of Pentagon Papers fame) to a Defense Department position:

CAIB 1/79: "reprints a top secret U.S. army memo on infiltrating and subverting allies--although the Army continues to deny it was an official document.''
[Fact: the Army did more than deny it was 'an official document.' The alleged 'army memo' ['F. M. 30-31B'] was exposed as a KGB forgery. See House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, hearing, 'Soviet Covert Action (The Forgery Offensive),' February 1980, pp. 12, 13 and Appendix: 'CIA Study: Soviet Covert Action and Propaganda,' pp. 66 and 67; 176-185.]





And out of all the facts that I've read about Gladio, I've never even heard that one. You should look up CIA-sponsored right-wing psychopaths that were assassinating progressive socialists, or fascist dictatorships that were propped up after WWII to act as buffers (such as Franco's Spain), or other political terrorism that was endorsed all through out Europe.

A good book to start with is called "NATO's Secret Armies: Operation GLADIO and Terrorism in Western Europe". This book is so loaded with information that it will blow your mind. GLADIO may have started off as "stay behind" networks but it was utilized much differently.



posted on Jun, 24 2014 @ 09:20 PM
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originally posted by: Vovin

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Vovin

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Vovin

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: cosmonova
This proves that there are far right nationalist organisations in Ukraine, which we all know. It does not prove ethnic cleansing, as per your OP. Earlier, you asked people to keep on topic.

Anyway, this type of post cuts both ways, as has already been discussed. For example, Pavel Gubarev, the self-proclaimed "people's governor" of the Donetsk People's Republic, was a member of a nasty little bunch of neo-Nazis which is well documented. He's now living his dream.

en.wikipedia.org...

Regards



there are far right organisations in almost every country. And they are minor groups who organise from time to time street protests or similar events strictly monitored by police. In some countries they are prohibited to even do that.
What we have in Ukraine is a completely different story. The far right organisations are armed by government and they now represent a core of Nazguard, Azov batallion and various other paramilitary formations roaming Novorossiya, shelling cities, destroying infra-structure, and terrorising local population.
Those ones left in Ukrainian cities organise events such as Odessa massacre, attack on Russian embassy or this
attack on Orthodox Church I posted above (thankfully they were stop before causing any damage to the church).
Bottom line is that core of Ukrainian patriotism and nationalism is Russophobia and hatred towards anything Russian.
Period. Proudly sponsored by US/EU.
Anyone who expect ethnic Russians to clap to that and support United Ukraine is out of touch with reality.


Might want to read this before you start believing Russian propaganda.

www.stopfake.org...


Oh wow one fake photo that was already widely know about as being from a film set. It certainly doesn't disprove Operation Gladio as "Russian propaganda".

At this opportunity Id like to present this video of a west Ukraine talk show that invited a veteran British war journalist to talk about his experiences in east Ukraine. When he wasn't saying the things the crowd expected, the reaction was priceless. Clearly these people have been cut off from reality for some time.



Yeah once again RT and other Russian media use movies and fake videos to try to prove a point. See this is called lying yet you continue to believe it. As far as Gladio glad you mentioned that actually that again was more Russian propaganda. Russia forged documents on that one trying to make it seem to be something else entirely.

web.archive.org...://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2006/Jan/20-127177.html


The video I showed was a west Ukraine show and has nothing to do with Russia or RT.

And Operation Gladio is Russia propaganda? You are a joke, buddy. Go educate yourself, maybe start with American-produced books on the subjects that clearly define right-wing terrorism sponsored by NATO during the Cold War. It's real facts. Just because you can't handle the truth doesn't mean that you can ignore the truth.

The legacy of the American Empire is best known to the non-Americans of the world who have sat back and watched this stuff unfold. And now people like you sit there and tell me that it's just "Russian propaganda"? Do you think other people of the world are so stupid?


No one said it wasnt real just not what you think it is as they say do some research.operation gladio was modelled after the french resistance of world war 2. The theory was when the soviets invaded Europe there would be weapons stashes and trained troops behind enemy lines. They learned this was invaluable asset during world war 2 with the french resistance. Russia forged documents to turn it into something else entirely. Trust me the soviets were goodat propaganda and Putins continuing that tradition.See the Russians forged an army manual creating the myth of Gladio.




Excerpt of Congressional Record statement on July 15, 1994, by Senator Strom Thurmond challenging the nomination of Morton Halperin (of Pentagon Papers fame) to a Defense Department position:

CAIB 1/79: "reprints a top secret U.S. army memo on infiltrating and subverting allies--although the Army continues to deny it was an official document.''
[Fact: the Army did more than deny it was 'an official document.' The alleged 'army memo' ['F. M. 30-31B'] was exposed as a KGB forgery. See House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, hearing, 'Soviet Covert Action (The Forgery Offensive),' February 1980, pp. 12, 13 and Appendix: 'CIA Study: Soviet Covert Action and Propaganda,' pp. 66 and 67; 176-185.]





And out of all the facts that I've read about Gladio, I've never even heard that one. You should look up CIA-sponsored right-wing psychopaths that were assassinating progressive socialists, or fascist dictatorships that were propped up after WWII to act as buffers (such as Franco's Spain), or other political terrorism that was endorsed all through out Europe.

A good book to start with is called "NATO's Secret Armies: Operation GLADIO and Terrorism in Western Europe". This book is so loaded with information that it will blow your mind. GLADIO may have started off as "stay behind" networks but it was utilized much differently.


Read it and no it wasnt in fact most of the documents it purports to prove its case were forged all it takes is not to be gullible and do some research. This was a KGB hit job trying to make NATO members distrust one another. By using an operation from the 60s to make it seem like something else. It failed miserably mostly through the work of MI6 who traced it back to its source so to speak releasing information showing forgeries.

Gladio did exist just problem was it was simply a way to defeat Russian advances into Europe it would only be useful in that event. Since each country was responsible for setting it up in there own territory and other countries were not informed of their actions.Italy there was someone that attempted to use resources hidden by Gladio in the barcelona bombings but as later was revealled in the trial that was the actions of 2 individuals. But by all means continue to believe Russian propaganda all i can do is say you have the internet use it. Id start with the barcelona trials its all public record.



posted on Jun, 24 2014 @ 09:34 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Vovin

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Vovin

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Vovin

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: cosmonova
This proves that there are far right nationalist organisations in Ukraine, which we all know. It does not prove ethnic cleansing, as per your OP. Earlier, you asked people to keep on topic.

Anyway, this type of post cuts both ways, as has already been discussed. For example, Pavel Gubarev, the self-proclaimed "people's governor" of the Donetsk People's Republic, was a member of a nasty little bunch of neo-Nazis which is well documented. He's now living his dream.

en.wikipedia.org...

Regards



there are far right organisations in almost every country. And they are minor groups who organise from time to time street protests or similar events strictly monitored by police. In some countries they are prohibited to even do that.
What we have in Ukraine is a completely different story. The far right organisations are armed by government and they now represent a core of Nazguard, Azov batallion and various other paramilitary formations roaming Novorossiya, shelling cities, destroying infra-structure, and terrorising local population.
Those ones left in Ukrainian cities organise events such as Odessa massacre, attack on Russian embassy or this
attack on Orthodox Church I posted above (thankfully they were stop before causing any damage to the church).
Bottom line is that core of Ukrainian patriotism and nationalism is Russophobia and hatred towards anything Russian.
Period. Proudly sponsored by US/EU.
Anyone who expect ethnic Russians to clap to that and support United Ukraine is out of touch with reality.


Might want to read this before you start believing Russian propaganda.

www.stopfake.org...


Oh wow one fake photo that was already widely know about as being from a film set. It certainly doesn't disprove Operation Gladio as "Russian propaganda".

At this opportunity Id like to present this video of a west Ukraine talk show that invited a veteran British war journalist to talk about his experiences in east Ukraine. When he wasn't saying the things the crowd expected, the reaction was priceless. Clearly these people have been cut off from reality for some time.



Yeah once again RT and other Russian media use movies and fake videos to try to prove a point. See this is called lying yet you continue to believe it. As far as Gladio glad you mentioned that actually that again was more Russian propaganda. Russia forged documents on that one trying to make it seem to be something else entirely.

web.archive.org...://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2006/Jan/20-127177.html


The video I showed was a west Ukraine show and has nothing to do with Russia or RT.

And Operation Gladio is Russia propaganda? You are a joke, buddy. Go educate yourself, maybe start with American-produced books on the subjects that clearly define right-wing terrorism sponsored by NATO during the Cold War. It's real facts. Just because you can't handle the truth doesn't mean that you can ignore the truth.

The legacy of the American Empire is best known to the non-Americans of the world who have sat back and watched this stuff unfold. And now people like you sit there and tell me that it's just "Russian propaganda"? Do you think other people of the world are so stupid?


No one said it wasnt real just not what you think it is as they say do some research.operation gladio was modelled after the french resistance of world war 2. The theory was when the soviets invaded Europe there would be weapons stashes and trained troops behind enemy lines. They learned this was invaluable asset during world war 2 with the french resistance. Russia forged documents to turn it into something else entirely. Trust me the soviets were goodat propaganda and Putins continuing that tradition.See the Russians forged an army manual creating the myth of Gladio.




Excerpt of Congressional Record statement on July 15, 1994, by Senator Strom Thurmond challenging the nomination of Morton Halperin (of Pentagon Papers fame) to a Defense Department position:

CAIB 1/79: "reprints a top secret U.S. army memo on infiltrating and subverting allies--although the Army continues to deny it was an official document.''
[Fact: the Army did more than deny it was 'an official document.' The alleged 'army memo' ['F. M. 30-31B'] was exposed as a KGB forgery. See House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, hearing, 'Soviet Covert Action (The Forgery Offensive),' February 1980, pp. 12, 13 and Appendix: 'CIA Study: Soviet Covert Action and Propaganda,' pp. 66 and 67; 176-185.]





And out of all the facts that I've read about Gladio, I've never even heard that one. You should look up CIA-sponsored right-wing psychopaths that were assassinating progressive socialists, or fascist dictatorships that were propped up after WWII to act as buffers (such as Franco's Spain), or other political terrorism that was endorsed all through out Europe.

A good book to start with is called "NATO's Secret Armies: Operation GLADIO and Terrorism in Western Europe". This book is so loaded with information that it will blow your mind. GLADIO may have off as "stay behind" networks but it was utilized much differently.


Read it and no it wasnt in fact most of the documents it purports to prove its case were forged all it takes is not to be gullible and do some research. This was a KGB hit job trying to make NATO members distrust one another. By using an operation from the 60s to make it seem like something else. It failed miserably mostly through the work of MI6 who traced it back to its source so to speak releasing information showing forgeries.

Gladio did exist just problem was it was simply a way to defeat Russian advances into Europe it would only be useful in that event. Since each country was responsible for setting it up in there own territory and other countries were not informed of their actions.Italy there was someone that attempted to use resources hidden by Gladio in the barcelona bombings but as later was revealled in the trial that was the actions of 2 individuals. But by all means continue to believe Russian propaganda all i can do is say you have the internet use it. Id start with the barcelona trials its all public record.


Iraq must have been a Russia plot too, right? And 9/11. And Columbine. And don't forget Pearl Harbour. Those Russians did it all, forget the history books let's just blame Russians for everything because they're the bad guys now. Damn, and to think the bin Laden was hiding in Moscow all this time...



posted on Jun, 24 2014 @ 09:46 PM
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a reply to: Vovin

Iraq was a plot by Saudi Arabia in their ultimate goal of Sunni domination in the middle east. But id say at this point your just randomly trying to connect dots to make NATO into some kind of secret power. Sadly NATO doesnt have the power to be in control only controlled. Now as i previously stated you make great leaps of faith without corroboration here on ATS if its a conspiracy i guarantee many of us have looked into it. Not to sidetrack this thread any further if you wish to discuss Gladio start a thread send me an invite i actually have lots of files after reading the book. It leads into a much more interesting world of spies as you can find out about the KGB disinformation campaign in Europe and there Support of Neo Nazi organizations in an attempt to destabilize Europe.

Dont think Putin was original here this was a KGB operation over 3 decades and him being former KGB not to see him run the old play book. Russia was a big supporter of neo NAZIs in Europe providing massive amounts of funds.



posted on Jun, 25 2014 @ 01:46 AM
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Irina Farion, a MEMBER of the Ukrainian parliament and a nationalist party Svoboda, urges 3-4 year old children to use their names in a "Ukrainian" manner during her visit of a child care in Lviv. "You are Olena, not Aliona. If you want to be Aliona, you should pack your stuff and go to Russia" - says Farion to a little girl. In March 2014, Farion was considered for a position of a Minister of Cultural Affairs of Ukraine.
Hatred and Nazi indoctrination forced upon children in Ukraine from early age, even by members of Ukraine parliament.
Once again, this is a country which is signing association agreement with EU in 2 days.




this is a member of parliament who also said this



During the interview, April 8, 2014 in the Verkhovna Rada(Parliament), she said that the arrest in Kharkov is a soft penalty, all Russian should be killed,[11] because the war between Russia and Ukraine since 1654

After the May 2014 massacre in Odessa, with 38 dead after a building was set on fire), she wrote on her personal Web page: "Bravo, Odessa. (...) Let the demons burn in hell."



en.wikipedia.org...


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posted on Jun, 25 2014 @ 02:25 AM
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originally posted by: cosmonova
Irina Farion, a MEMBER of the Ukrainian parliament and a nationalist party Svoboda, urges 3-4 year old children to use their names in a "Ukrainian" manner during her visit of a child care in Lviv. "You are Olena, not Aliona. If you want to be Aliona, you should pack your stuff and go to Russia" - says Farion to a little girl. In March 2014, Farion was considered for a position of a Minister of Cultural Affairs of Ukraine.
Hatred and Nazi indoctrination forced upon children in Ukraine from early age, even by members of Ukraine parliament.
Once again, this is a country which is signing association agreement with EU in 2 days.




this is a member of parliament who also said this



During the interview, April 8, 2014 in the Verkhovna Rada(Parliament), she said that the arrest in Kharkov is a soft penalty, all Russian should be killed,[11] because the war between Russia and Ukraine since 1654

After the May 2014 massacre in Odessa, with 38 dead after a building was set on fire), she wrote on her personal Web page: "Bravo, Odessa. (...) Let the demons burn in hell."



en.wikipedia.org...



Wait i thought there was ethnic cleansing going on? Real shocking video there a nationalist wants to preserve Ukrainian language. We all know there are Ukrainians who dont like Russians again the reason is obvious. Russians were not kind to there neighbors in the past killing them and subjugating them.Poland harbors alot of animosity towards Russians as well that doesnt make them NAZIS however. So all you proved is a nationalist party doesnt like Russians good thing for Russians they only got 1 percent of the vote in the election. By the way did you ever ask yourself where the svoboda party started? Ill give you a hint its very near poland in an area that was destroyed by stalin.



posted on Jun, 25 2014 @ 02:36 AM
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this is a member of parliament who also said this



During the interview, April 8, 2014 in the Verkhovna Rada(Parliament), she said that the arrest in Kharkov is a soft penalty, all Russian should be killed,[11] because the war between Russia and Ukraine since 1654

After the May 2014 massacre in Odessa, with 38 dead after a building was set on fire), she wrote on her personal Web page: "Bravo, Odessa. (...) Let the demons burn in hell."

en.wikipedia.org...



Now the funny thing about your link is that I find this interesting....


Farion graduated from the Philology School of the Lviv University in 1987 with honors[citation needed], while her name was entered in the book "Toiling glory of University"[citation needed]. During the college years she was a member of a Communist Party of the Soviet Union (the only student being in the Communist Party[2]).


en.wikipedia.org...

And when saying all Russians should be killed was it taken out of context, because here is what was said.


"I would have acted much tougher - said the MP. - I would just shoot them, sorry. Hear the enemy prevails in our land. What are we talking? It had to be here to drive since 1654. Therefore, today's reaction is adequate. But measures need to be much tougher. Our people put their life. Therefore, these creatures who ride here deserve only one thing - death. "


www.politnavigator.net...

And the video...



But I guess it was just too hard to actually research what she said before posting.


And she is talking about those Russians who have come to Ukraine to fight the Ukraine gov't not all Russians, please use the whole quote next time not a cherry picked version that backs your views.
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posted on Jun, 25 2014 @ 10:06 AM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: cosmonova




this is a member of parliament who also said this



During the interview, April 8, 2014 in the Verkhovna Rada(Parliament), she said that the arrest in Kharkov is a soft penalty, all Russian should be killed,[11] because the war between Russia and Ukraine since 1654

After the May 2014 massacre in Odessa, with 38 dead after a building was set on fire), she wrote on her personal Web page: "Bravo, Odessa. (...) Let the demons burn in hell."

en.wikipedia.org...



Now the funny thing about your link is that I find this interesting....


Farion graduated from the Philology School of the Lviv University in 1987 with honors[citation needed], while her name was entered in the book "Toiling glory of University"[citation needed]. During the college years she was a member of a Communist Party of the Soviet Union (the only student being in the Communist Party[2]).


en.wikipedia.org...

And when saying all Russians should be killed was it taken out of context, because here is what was said.


"I would have acted much tougher - said the MP. - I would just shoot them, sorry. Hear the enemy prevails in our land. What are we talking? It had to be here to drive since 1654. Therefore, today's reaction is adequate. But measures need to be much tougher. Our people put their life. Therefore, these creatures who ride here deserve only one thing - death. "


www.politnavigator.net...

And the video...



But I guess it was just too hard to actually research what she said before posting.


And she is talking about those Russians who have come to Ukraine to fight the Ukraine gov't not all Russians, please use the whole quote next time not a cherry picked version that backs your views.


Surprize surprize Russian media misquoting someone. Still not seeing all this ethnic cleaning Russian media claims is occurring. But i guess Putin is now ok with it since he came out in support of poroshenko peace plan. He changed his mind once again this guy changes his mind so often i think at this point hes lost it somewhere in transit.



posted on Jun, 25 2014 @ 01:46 PM
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originally posted by: Vovin
Maybe you should give pointers on how the UN is still legitimately working in the name of universal justice?


Er, no. Why don't you start a thread on it and I'll be happy to participate, but if you can provide evidence that there is ethnic cleansing going on in Eastern Ukraine, as per OP then do so. I have asked repeatedly.

Cheers



posted on Jun, 25 2014 @ 02:33 PM
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but if you can provide evidence that there is ethnic cleansing going on in Eastern Ukraine, as per OP then do so. I have asked repeatedly.


Good luck on that?

The only ethnic cleansing in Ukraine is happening in the Russian territory of Crimea, and it involves the Tartars but of course nobody that supports Russia will even touch that fact.



posted on Jun, 25 2014 @ 06:47 PM
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That's a bold statement: "you make leaps without corroboration". Yet I have corroborated my statements. All you've done is whine about how anything I must have read or studied or been informed about by experienced professionals on these subjects is "Russian propaganda".

Truth is this is a message board on the Internet and I'm not really obligated to waste my time giving free lectures on things you should be studying in university. Otherwise you'll continue to say ridiculous things like NATO is so weak and innocent that it is "controlled and not in control". So who controlled NATO to bomb Serbia and Libya again?

And Russia "was a big supporter of Nazis in Europe". What a crock of you-know-what.
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