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originally posted by: Vovin The latest claim is a British SAS Major Wilkes found injured. He was apparently there officially as a military advisor for the junta.
Now if it's true that officers from NATO countries are directing ground battles, then it really begs the question as to why Ukraine has attacked Russian border crossings lately. Is it to provoke a response?
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
Still calling the whole of Ukraine gov't nazi's and facist I see.
originally posted by: Monger
a reply to: Vovin
I saw a Vice Russian Roulet report a few days ago where they followed a guy delivering a shipment of surplus British uniforms to the Ukranian front. I don't discount the remote possibility that it could be a picture of exactly what you claim, but it strikes me that he could just be a guy in one of aforementioned surplus British uniforms supplied to the Ukranians.
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: cosmonova
Move to Russia? Why would they, they are on their land. Novorossiya to be precise.
And their land is located where... in Ukraine?
And maybe you can point out exactly where Novorossiya is here on this map of Ukraine,because for the life of me I can't find it anywhere.
And why does the so called flag of Novorossiya look familiar?
Put you some stars on it and we have this...
And we know through history what happened to those who flew this flag.
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Vovin
In fact, the rebels have easily identified the junta's forces as fascist neo-Nazis and portray themselves as the Soviet resistance that eventually smashed the fascists before. They even found a stash of a lot of soviet armour, which made them feel even more like the Soviets fighting the west and its fascist puppets.
Still calling the whole of Ukraine gov't nazi's and facist I see.
Hey wait isn't the Donetsk Republic leader associated with a Russian neo nazi group, so by your logic he is exactly what you keep calling the Ukraine gov't.
Also wouldn't that make Russia the same because some of it's ethnic Russians living in Ukraine have the neo nazi ideology?
That is if we go by your way of thinking. Ironic isn't it that a neo nazi is running things for Russia in Ukraine.
originally posted by: AndyMayhew
originally posted by: Vovin The latest claim is a British SAS Major Wilkes found injured. He was apparently there officially as a military advisor for the junta.
Now if it's true that officers from NATO countries are directing ground battles, then it really begs the question as to why Ukraine has attacked Russian border crossings lately. Is it to provoke a response?
Well assuming this isn't just another hoax picture (like the UN marked helicopters), this report suggests that far from being injured he was just sleeping off a couple of beers or three in Kiev
www.liveleak.com...
It also points out that he is an ex-SAS major and now a PMC - which I assume means private military consultant, which last I knew is a common and perfectly legal occupation for a former soldier? It certainly does not mean NATO officers are directing ground battles in Donbass.
originally posted by: paraphi
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
Still calling the whole of Ukraine gov't nazi's and facist I see.
From the word "go", the myth was propagated that Ukrainians were all Nazis and some people still want to believe it, even when faced with the facts. As has happened already in this thread, the posting of a "proof" is often an old photo of some right wing, neo Nazi demonstration. Even the OP refers to the Ukrainians as Nazguards!
However, the only Neo Nazi's I can see are those populating and leading the ranks of the pro Russian separatists and the Ukrainian government is not run by fascists.
Still seen no evidence of Ukrainian authorities commencing ethnic cleansing though. Certainly, nothing shown in this thread to support the OP. However, evidence seems to be emerging that the pro Russian separatists are the ones doing the terrorising and cleansing, as indicated in the following post.
a reply to: AndyMayhew
www.ohchr.org...
Regards
originally posted by: paraphi
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
Still calling the whole of Ukraine gov't nazi's and facist I see.
From the word "go", the myth was propagated that Ukrainians were all Nazis and some people still want to believe it, even when faced with the facts. As has happened already in this thread, the posting of a "proof" is often an old photo of some right wing, neo Nazi demonstration. Even the OP refers to the Ukrainians as Nazguards!
However, the only Neo Nazi's I can see are those populating and leading the ranks of the pro Russian separatists and the Ukrainian government is not run by fascists.
Still seen no evidence of Ukrainian authorities commencing ethnic cleansing though. Certainly, nothing shown in this thread to support the OP. However, evidence seems to be emerging that the pro Russian separatists are the ones doing the terrorising and cleansing, as indicated in the following post.
a reply to: AndyMayhew
www.ohchr.org...
Regards
Land parcels will be given out for free to the servicemen of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and other military formations, as well as to the employees of Interior Ministry and the Security Service of Ukraine that are defending territorial integrity and sovereignty of the country in eastern and southeastern regions of Ukraine.
ethnic cleansing
noun
the elimination of an unwanted ethnic group or groups from a society, as by genocide or forced emigration.
originally posted by: cosmonova
No evidence? I see you are still avoiding to see Vice News report from Slavyansk area.
That is evidence of deliberate destruction of residential areas in order to terrorise and intimidate local population and force them to leave the place so this can be done in a future:
Thanks for your opinion, troll. I seem to have to read it after almost every post I make regarding Ukraine.
originally posted by: Vovin
Oh and by the way, what hoax came out of the Ukraine flying Hinds in UN colours? It was legit video taken from locals.
Russian news agency RIA Novosti is reporting the Crimea government is asking Crimean Tatars, who only make up 15% of the population, to vacate their land and move to assigned lands. Crimean Deputy Prime Minister Rustam Temirgaliyev said the government wants to regulate the lands.
“We have asked the Crimean Tatars to vacate part of their land, which is required for social needs,” Temirgaliyev said. “But we are ready to allocate and legalize many other plots of land to ensure a normal life for the Crimean Tatars,” he said.
ethnic cleansing noun
: the practice of removing or killing people who belong to an ethnic group that is different from the ruling group in a country or region
originally posted by: cosmonova
No evidence? I see you are still avoiding to see Vice News report from Slavyansk area.
That is evidence of deliberate destruction of residential areas in order to terrorise and intimidate local
population and force them to leave the place so this can be done in a future:
Land parcels will be given out for free to the servicemen of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and other military formations, as well as to the employees of Interior Ministry and the Security Service of Ukraine that are defending territorial integrity and sovereignty of the country in eastern and southeastern regions of Ukraine.
originally posted by: AndyMayhew
originally posted by: Vovin
Oh and by the way, what hoax came out of the Ukraine flying Hinds in UN colours? It was legit video taken from locals.
See the UN report which has been linked in this thread and in a separate thread here
"The report lists a number of examples of photographs and videos being misused for propaganda purposes, including a photograph of a wounded child in Aleppo, Syria, who was presented as a victim of fighting at the Donetsk airport; and a video of Ukrainian helicopters with UN symbols which were filmed earlier and elsewhere and were not, as claimed in the video, being used in the current fighting in Ukraine."
Still trolling?
Explain to me why Kiev's forces cannot just roll right into these cities and be treated like liberators? Because surely this would be possible if this was the will of the people there, right?
Instead, Kiev's forces bombard these rebel towns and cities with artillery and air strikes, and have already killed hundreds of civilians. They target hospitals, schools, industrial businesses, residential districts. Assassination attempts have been made on leaders of the rebel regions.