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Are we witnessing the beginning of ethnic cleansing in Ukraine?

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posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 12:44 AM
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originally posted by: cosmonova
great insight of war crimes and atrocities against civilians committed by Kiev
and complete INFO block out by Western MSM



'Degeneration into genocide' as President Poroshenko calls for the murder of 'hundreds' of rebels for each of his troops killed - more than Nazi Germany ordered as punitive reprisals in World War Two; eyewitnesses report Kiev death squads going 'house to house' executing all men under 35 on the spot, 'crucifying' babies and forcing their mothers to watch - unspeakable atrocities under a complete mainstream media blackout. On Sunday Ukraine's missiles killed and injured civilians in the Rostov region, the latest bombing on Russia.

Seek truth from facts with leading war crimes prosecutor Francis Boyle; US Navy veteran Mark Sleboda; investigative journalist William Engdahl; and George Eliason, who lives with his Ukrainian family in the crosshairs of Kiev's bombing near Lugansk.




Odd Russian media is the only one reporting this but there are other reporters from other countries there? You dont find that a little strange that only Russian journalists seem to be seeing this? I really cant figure out how all those international journalists cant seem to find this but apparently Russian journalists can? Think maybe this is more lies like they did reporting on the weapon of mass destruction. You know the one the reporters apologized for when called on it saying there editors in Moscow made them lie.




posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 01:07 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova
great insight of war crimes and atrocities against civilians committed by Kiev
and complete INFO block out by Western MSM



'Degeneration into genocide' as President Poroshenko calls for the murder of 'hundreds' of rebels for each of his troops killed - more than Nazi Germany ordered as punitive reprisals in World War Two; eyewitnesses report Kiev death squads going 'house to house' executing all men under 35 on the spot, 'crucifying' babies and forcing their mothers to watch - unspeakable atrocities under a complete mainstream media blackout. On Sunday Ukraine's missiles killed and injured civilians in the Rostov region, the latest bombing on Russia.

Seek truth from facts with leading war crimes prosecutor Francis Boyle; US Navy veteran Mark Sleboda; investigative journalist William Engdahl; and George Eliason, who lives with his Ukrainian family in the crosshairs of Kiev's bombing near Lugansk.




Odd Russian media is the only one reporting this but there are other reporters from other countries there? You dont find that a little strange that only Russian journalists seem to be seeing this? I really cant figure out how all those international journalists cant seem to find this but apparently Russian journalists can? Think maybe this is more lies like they did reporting on the weapon of mass destruction. You know the one the reporters apologized for when called on it saying there editors in Moscow made them lie.



Russian Journalists?
Lets see who was interviewed in this video clip:

1. Dr. William Engdahl, invest.journalist from US
2. George Eliason, an American living in Eastern Ukraine, who was talking about events from his own experience
3. Mark Sleboda, US Navy Veteran.

All Americans.

It is sad to see that western MSM is anything but independent. All part of rotten neo-imperial machine taking its last
breaths. Wounded, armed and dangerous. It will not give up without a major fight.
I have posted countless video clips made by local people about atrocities committed by Kiev.
First hand reports. And there is nothing about it in western MSM.
Thanks God for internet and youtube in particular.



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 01:26 AM
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more atrocities in Slavyansk, this time priests have been mutilated by Ukrainian Nationalists.



The mutilated bodies of two priests from Slavyansk and of two sons of one of them were found, confirmed the adviser of the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Anton Gerashchenko. "We found a grave of two priests from Slavyansk, who were tortured and killed by the Ukranian nationalists. The whole country and the whole world will know about the terrible atrocities that terrorists conducted. You will learn about it from concrete evidence," said Gerashchenko.

He said that the priests were killed for helping self-defense forces. According to him, the bodies of two sons of one of the priests were found in the grave as well. On July 8 Ukrainian Orthodox Church announced that priest of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church was kidnapped in Donetsk, Kiev Patriarchate Archpriest Yuri Ivanov.
In late May, an Orthodox priest Vladimir Maretsky who was detained by the Ukrainian military, was released and reported that he was beaten, in order for him to confess in his assistance to self-defenders.
Before that, the head of the Odessa diocese Metropolitan Agafangel confirmed the threats from the radicals.
In early April, the priest of Russian Orthodox Church Oleg Mokryak and the head of the Union of Orthodox Citizens of Ukraine Valery Kaurov were persecuted by Ukrainian Security Service, which found in their words calls for separatism. Secretary of the Odessa diocese, Archpriest Andrei Novikov left his hometown and moved to Moscow after "the same investigator, who recently came for Archpriest Oleg Mokryak with Ukrainian Security Service, called him."
"I'm sure if this government keeps its position, it will handle the physical liquidation of the Moscow Patriarchate in Ukraine", said Novikov to the newspaper Vzgliad.
Read more: voiceofrussia.com...




edit on 15-7-2014 by cosmonova because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 03:03 AM
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originally posted by: cosmonova
more atrocities in Slavyansk, this time priests have been mutilated by Ukrainian Nationalists.



The mutilated bodies of two priests from Slavyansk and of two sons of one of them were found, confirmed the adviser of the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Anton Gerashchenko. "We found a grave of two priests from Slavyansk, who were tortured and killed by the Ukranian nationalists. The whole country and the whole world will know about the terrible atrocities that terrorists conducted. You will learn about it from concrete evidence," said Gerashchenko.

He said that the priests were killed for helping self-defense forces. According to him, the bodies of two sons of one of the priests were found in the grave as well. On July 8 Ukrainian Orthodox Church announced that priest of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church was kidnapped in Donetsk, Kiev Patriarchate Archpriest Yuri Ivanov.
In late May, an Orthodox priest Vladimir Maretsky who was detained by the Ukrainian military, was released and reported that he was beaten, in order for him to confess in his assistance to self-defenders.
Before that, the head of the Odessa diocese Metropolitan Agafangel confirmed the threats from the radicals.
In early April, the priest of Russian Orthodox Church Oleg Mokryak and the head of the Union of Orthodox Citizens of Ukraine Valery Kaurov were persecuted by Ukrainian Security Service, which found in their words calls for separatism. Secretary of the Odessa diocese, Archpriest Andrei Novikov left his hometown and moved to Moscow after "the same investigator, who recently came for Archpriest Oleg Mokryak with Ukrainian Security Service, called him."
"I'm sure if this government keeps its position, it will handle the physical liquidation of the Moscow Patriarchate in Ukraine", said Novikov to the newspaper Vzgliad.
Read more: voiceofrussia.com...





Ok facts are being twisted here first he was againt the sepratists movement not for it. Second his obduction was from the separatists according to his own church. Owwww another Russian lie arent you going to at least start trying to verify Russian media claims since there often wrong???




In Donetsk, on July 8, terrorists kidnapped a priest of the UOC of the Kyiv Patriarchate, archpriest Yuri Ivanov from his home.

It was written on his Facebook page, according to Archbishop Yevstratiy (Zorya).

Fr. Yuri served in the Church of the Intercession of the Holy Virgin in Petrovsky district of Donetsk.

“Earlier the separatists came to this priest and demanded that he called to his home under the pretext of urgent need Kyiv Patriarchate Archbishop Sergius of Donetsk, apparently with a purpose of kidnapping”, says Archbishop Yevstratiy.

"Believers of Donetsk are asking for prayers for Fr. Yuri Ivanov and the aid in his release”, says the Archbishop.


risu.org.ua...



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 05:01 AM
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results of airstrike in Snezno, Lugansk region, 15/07/14
Ethnic cleansing is becoming more frequent as massive losses of Kiev forces have been reported in a last few days.






Babay ‏@Truth_Seeker_11 10m
#Lugansk mayor announces 3 days of mourning for 17 killed, 73 injured civilians in the past 3 days by #Ukraine army shelling of the city

edit on 15-7-2014 by cosmonova because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 05:19 AM
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Sorry, left this thread at about page 8 because it was deviating from the OP. Just wondering if anyone has posted any evidence yet to support the OP i.e. ethnic cleansing, or is it just the same endless linking to YouTube proving nothing except that bombs destroy buildings. I have seen the ethnic cleansing going on in Crimea, but the OP was focussed on the eastern portion controlled by the pro Russians headed variously by far right nationalists and Russian nationals, previously discussed.

I see the human rights organisations are starting to publish stuff on the abuse meted out by the pro Russians in liberated territory.

Amnesty Ukraine

Regards



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 05:32 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova
more atrocities in Slavyansk, this time priests have been mutilated by Ukrainian Nationalists.



The mutilated bodies of two priests from Slavyansk and of two sons of one of them were found, confirmed the adviser of the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Anton Gerashchenko. "We found a grave of two priests from Slavyansk, who were tortured and killed by the Ukranian nationalists. The whole country and the whole world will know about the terrible atrocities that terrorists conducted. You will learn about it from concrete evidence," said Gerashchenko.

He said that the priests were killed for helping self-defense forces. According to him, the bodies of two sons of one of the priests were found in the grave as well. On July 8 Ukrainian Orthodox Church announced that priest of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church was kidnapped in Donetsk, Kiev Patriarchate Archpriest Yuri Ivanov.
In late May, an Orthodox priest Vladimir Maretsky who was detained by the Ukrainian military, was released and reported that he was beaten, in order for him to confess in his assistance to self-defenders.
Before that, the head of the Odessa diocese Metropolitan Agafangel confirmed the threats from the radicals.
In early April, the priest of Russian Orthodox Church Oleg Mokryak and the head of the Union of Orthodox Citizens of Ukraine Valery Kaurov were persecuted by Ukrainian Security Service, which found in their words calls for separatism. Secretary of the Odessa diocese, Archpriest Andrei Novikov left his hometown and moved to Moscow after "the same investigator, who recently came for Archpriest Oleg Mokryak with Ukrainian Security Service, called him."
"I'm sure if this government keeps its position, it will handle the physical liquidation of the Moscow Patriarchate in Ukraine", said Novikov to the newspaper Vzgliad.
Read more: voiceofrussia.com...





Ok facts are being twisted here first he was againt the sepratists movement not for it. Second his obduction was from the separatists according to his own church. Owwww another Russian lie arent you going to at least start trying to verify Russian media claims since there often wrong???




In Donetsk, on July 8, terrorists kidnapped a priest of the UOC of the Kyiv Patriarchate, archpriest Yuri Ivanov from his home.

It was written on his Facebook page, according to Archbishop Yevstratiy (Zorya).

Fr. Yuri served in the Church of the Intercession of the Holy Virgin in Petrovsky district of Donetsk.

“Earlier the separatists came to this priest and demanded that he called to his home under the pretext of urgent need Kyiv Patriarchate Archbishop Sergius of Donetsk, apparently with a purpose of kidnapping”, says Archbishop Yevstratiy.

"Believers of Donetsk are asking for prayers for Fr. Yuri Ivanov and the aid in his release”, says the Archbishop.


risu.org.ua...


no twisted facts, just your reading comprehension problems. Read again.



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 05:37 AM
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a reply to: paraphi




I have seen the ethnic cleansing going on in Crimea, but the OP was focussed on the eastern portion controlled by the pro Russians headed variously by far right nationalists and Russian nationals, previously discussed.


That's not something you are going to see in this thread as it is just glossed over, because of course Russia is doing it.



I see the human rights organisations are starting to publish stuff on the abuse meted out by the pro Russians in liberated territory.


And that is probably going to be considered western propaganda although at least most know better, or should know better.



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 05:41 AM
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originally posted by: paraphi
Sorry, left this thread at about page 8 because it was deviating from the OP. Just wondering if anyone has posted any evidence yet to support the OP i.e. ethnic cleansing, or is it just the same endless linking to YouTube proving nothing except that bombs destroy buildings. I have seen the ethnic cleansing going on in Crimea, but the OP was focussed on the eastern portion controlled by the pro Russians headed variously by far right nationalists and Russian nationals, previously discussed.

I see the human rights organisations are starting to publish stuff on the abuse meted out by the pro Russians in liberated territory.

Amnesty Ukraine

Regards



'endless linking to YouTube proving nothing except that bombs destroy buildings'.
With a statement like this, you better go back to sleep.

and in regards to Amnesty International



Amnesty International is US State Department Propaganda

Amnesty run by US State Department representatives, funded by convicted financial criminals, and threatens real human rights advocacy worldwide.

Mistakenly considered by many as the final word on human rights worldwide, it might surprise people to know that Amnesty International is in fact one of the greatest obstacles to real human rights advocacy on Earth. In its most recent 2012 annual report (page 4, .pdf), Amnesty reiterates one of the biggest lies it routinely tells:


"Amnesty International is funded mainly by its membership and public donations. No funds are sought or accepted from governments for investigating and campaigning against human rights abuses. Amnesty International is independent of any government, political ideology, economic interest or religion."

This is categorically false. Amnesty international is indeed funded and run by not only governments, but also immense corporate-financier interests, and is not only absolutely entwined with political ideology and economic interests, it is an essential tool used for perpetuating just such interests.

Amnesty International's Funding

Finding financial information on Amnesty International's website is made purposefully difficult - specifically to protect the myth that the organization is "independent."


www.informationclearinghouse.info...



The most prominent names in the western human rights business behave, essentially, as weapons in the imperial arsenal. Amnesty International’s campaign against Syria, analyzed below by Felicity Arbuthnot, is the latest illustration of the organization’s slide from its lofty founding ideals to a role of simple mercenary for empire and sworn enemy of international law.


www.voltairenet.org...
edit on 15-7-2014 by cosmonova because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 06:08 AM
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a reply to: cosmonova




more atrocities in Slavyansk, this time priests have been mutilated by Ukrainian Nationalists.


Care to provide another source because there should be more about this than just something from voice of Russia?

And so far nothing comes up that even comes close to what your source says.



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 06:35 AM
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a reply to: cosmonova




www.informationclearinghouse.info...



You may want to read this about informationclearinghouse.info.

From the website itself...



.

Purpose and Intent of this website:

This website does not suggest that it contains the "truth". The truth is a combination of all information and all facts relating to a topic. It is therefore unachievable (in my opinion) for anyone to say "I know the truth."

If you came to this site in search of "the truth" you will be disappointed. That is also true of CNN, FOX , ABC etc. If you came to gather information you may find it a useful resource.

Gibran says in the "Prophet" Say not, "I have found the truth," but rather, "I have found a truth."

That brings me to my first point:

John Adams said "Liberty can not be preserved without general knowledge among people" this statement points to the absolute necessity of an informed citizenry if our nation is to remain a functioning free society.

This means that each citizen has a civic responsibility to inform himself and share that information with others. The corporate media pumps information into our homes and does a great job of providing the information that our government wants us to know. It has in my opinion become the propaganda arm of government, and a great number of those who call themselves journalists are in fact nothing less than presstitutes.

Those who wish to inhibit free access to information are in my opinion a great danger to our nation. Why would any adult interfere with the right of fellow citizens to inform themselves?

There is a war going on for the minds of America, those waging this war are determined to control the American people by taking possession of our minds and by controlling our sources of information.

Truth is indefinable. Information is unlimited.


www.informationclearinghouse.info...

You really should check into your sources a little better.



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 06:44 AM
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a reply to: cosmonova




www.voltairenet.org...


Interesting looking at Felicity Arbuthnot she seems to have an anti western view so it isn't surprising that she writes an article that blasts Amnesty International.



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 07:05 AM
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a reply to: cosmonova

OK Cosmonova, so you have not moved on since page 8 and don't have any evidence. I suppose it's a satisfyingly simple world to assume the CIA controls human rights organisations which highlight abuses by pro Russians in Ukraine, thus preventing you from being compromised by difficult issues. I'll come back on page 20 to see if you have come up with anything concrete.

Regards



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 07:12 AM
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Come on fellas. Amnesty International? George Soros? Seriously?



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 08:49 AM
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a reply to: cosmonova




Come on fellas. Amnesty International? George Soros? Seriously?


And you think he is the only person that donates money to them?


Amnesty International has more than 1,000,000 members, subscribers and regular donors in more than 160 countries and territories. There are more than 5,300 local, youth & student, and professional AI groups registered at the International Secretariat plus several thousand other youth & student groups, specialist groups, networks and coordinators in more than 90 countries & territories throughout the world.


www.amnesty-volunteer.org...

Now do you even know how Amnesty International started, because it wasn't from the US and it isn't even based in the US.

How it started...


Amnesty International was launched in 1961 by
British lawyer Peter Benenson. His newspaper
appeal, "The Forgotten Prisoners", was published
worldwide on 28 May 1961 and brought in more
than 1,000 offers of support for the idea of an
international campaign to protect human rights.
Within 12 months the new organization had sent
delegations to four countries to make representations
on behalf of prisoners, and had taken up 210 cases.
Amnesty International members had organized
national bodies in seven countries. The first year's
expenditure was £6,040. The principles of strict
impartiality and independence were established. The
emphasis was on the international protection of
human rights: Amnesty International members were
to act on cases worldwide and not become involved
in cases in their own countries.


and where it's based...


There are nationally organized sections in 56
countries, 34 of them in Latin America and the
Caribbean, Africa, Asia and the Middle East and
Central Europe.
The organization's nerve centre is the International
Secretariat in London, with more than 320
permanent posts and 95 volunteers from more than
50 countries. The Secretary General is Pierre Sané.


www.amnesty-volunteer.org...

But the facts don't really matter do they?



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 10:08 AM
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originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova
more atrocities in Slavyansk, this time priests have been mutilated by Ukrainian Nationalists.



The mutilated bodies of two priests from Slavyansk and of two sons of one of them were found, confirmed the adviser of the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Anton Gerashchenko. "We found a grave of two priests from Slavyansk, who were tortured and killed by the Ukranian nationalists. The whole country and the whole world will know about the terrible atrocities that terrorists conducted. You will learn about it from concrete evidence," said Gerashchenko.

He said that the priests were killed for helping self-defense forces. According to him, the bodies of two sons of one of the priests were found in the grave as well. On July 8 Ukrainian Orthodox Church announced that priest of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church was kidnapped in Donetsk, Kiev Patriarchate Archpriest Yuri Ivanov.
In late May, an Orthodox priest Vladimir Maretsky who was detained by the Ukrainian military, was released and reported that he was beaten, in order for him to confess in his assistance to self-defenders.
Before that, the head of the Odessa diocese Metropolitan Agafangel confirmed the threats from the radicals.
In early April, the priest of Russian Orthodox Church Oleg Mokryak and the head of the Union of Orthodox Citizens of Ukraine Valery Kaurov were persecuted by Ukrainian Security Service, which found in their words calls for separatism. Secretary of the Odessa diocese, Archpriest Andrei Novikov left his hometown and moved to Moscow after "the same investigator, who recently came for Archpriest Oleg Mokryak with Ukrainian Security Service, called him."
"I'm sure if this government keeps its position, it will handle the physical liquidation of the Moscow Patriarchate in Ukraine", said Novikov to the newspaper Vzgliad.
Read more: voiceofrussia.com...





Ok facts are being twisted here first he was againt the sepratists movement not for it. Second his obduction was from the separatists according to his own church. Owwww another Russian lie arent you going to at least start trying to verify Russian media claims since there often wrong???




In Donetsk, on July 8, terrorists kidnapped a priest of the UOC of the Kyiv Patriarchate, archpriest Yuri Ivanov from his home.

It was written on his Facebook page, according to Archbishop Yevstratiy (Zorya).

Fr. Yuri served in the Church of the Intercession of the Holy Virgin in Petrovsky district of Donetsk.

“Earlier the separatists came to this priest and demanded that he called to his home under the pretext of urgent need Kyiv Patriarchate Archbishop Sergius of Donetsk, apparently with a purpose of kidnapping”, says Archbishop Yevstratiy.

"Believers of Donetsk are asking for prayers for Fr. Yuri Ivanov and the aid in his release”, says the Archbishop.


risu.org.ua...


no twisted facts, just your reading comprehension problems. Read again.


I suggest you reread the article maybe also some of the public statements put out by the Ukrainian orthodox church as well specifically calling Russia to stop interfering. This priest even gave interview to the press where he discussed Russian intervention in Donbass.Odd that Ukraine would attack a priest against the separatist movement that would be incredibly stupid. Guess you were not aware of that huh? But i know unless Russian media puts it out its a lie right? Even though time and again Russian media has been caught lying to its people. I know you want to so badly believe this is Russia taking on fascists all over the world to save humanity. But reality is this is a land grab started because of Putins paranoia.

See Russia didnt want the EU to have strong economic ties in Ukraine for fear Russia would lose its stranglehold on the Ukrainian economy. Only thing is he way underestimated the Ukrainian resolve in this and his biggest mistake was invading Crimea it galvanized there opinion on Russia.

PS thought you might want to read this how moscow tried to bribe the UOC to change there position on the separatists movement. I figure maybe you dont get an alternative source of news other than Russian media so im glad to help.


risu.org.ua...
edit on 7/15/14 by dragonridr because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 06:39 PM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: cosmonova




Come on fellas. Amnesty International? George Soros? Seriously?


And you think he is the only person that donates money to them?


Amnesty International has more than 1,000,000 members, subscribers and regular donors in more than 160 countries and territories. There are more than 5,300 local, youth & student, and professional AI groups registered at the International Secretariat plus several thousand other youth & student groups, specialist groups, networks and coordinators in more than 90 countries & territories throughout the world.


www.amnesty-volunteer.org...

Now do you even know how Amnesty International started, because it wasn't from the US and it isn't even based in the US.

How it started...


Amnesty International was launched in 1961 by
British lawyer Peter Benenson. His newspaper
appeal, "The Forgotten Prisoners", was published
worldwide on 28 May 1961 and brought in more
than 1,000 offers of support for the idea of an
international campaign to protect human rights.
Within 12 months the new organization had sent
delegations to four countries to make representations
on behalf of prisoners, and had taken up 210 cases.
Amnesty International members had organized
national bodies in seven countries. The first year's
expenditure was £6,040. The principles of strict
impartiality and independence were established. The
emphasis was on the international protection of
human rights: Amnesty International members were
to act on cases worldwide and not become involved
in cases in their own countries.


and where it's based...


There are nationally organized sections in 56
countries, 34 of them in Latin America and the
Caribbean, Africa, Asia and the Middle East and
Central Europe.
The organization's nerve centre is the International
Secretariat in London, with more than 320
permanent posts and 95 volunteers from more than
50 countries. The Secretary General is Pierre Sané.


www.amnesty-volunteer.org...

But the facts don't really matter do they?



Amnesty International is just another State Department tool, get real.
All wrapped into human rights package but with completely different goal.




Amnesty's leadership is also telling of its true agenda. Suzanne Nossel, Executive Director of Amnesty International USA, for instance was drawn directly from the US State Department - again, utterly contradicting Amnesty's claims of being "independent" of governments and corporate interests. Nossel continued promoting US foreign policy, but simply behind a podium with a new logo, Amnesty International's logo, attached to it. Amnesty International's website specifically mentions Nossel's role behind US State Department-backed UN resolutions regarding Iran, Syria, Libya, and Cote d'Ivoire.




A glance at AmnestyUSA.org reveals that each and every front the US State Department is currently working on and has prioritized is also coincidentally prioritized by Amnesty International. This includes rallies and campaigns to support US State Department-funded Russian opposition groups (currently fixated on "Pussy Riot"), undermining the Syrian government, toppling the government of Belarus, and supporting the Wall Street-London created Aung San Suu Kyi of Myanmar (still called by its British Imperial nomenclature of "Burma" by Suu Kyi herself).


landdestroyer.blogspot.com.au...


I found this to be the best description of Amnesty International



Amnesty International is a war propaganda organization for imperialism. In fact, the majority of the most highly publicized human rights organisations in the West function as ideological indoctrination agencies for neo-colonialism and imperialism. In this respect, they have replaced the Christian missionaries of the 19th century who provided the justification for colonial subjugation on the pretext of spreading “Christian civilization”. Christian value-spreading colonialism has been superseded by human rights promotion.


dissidentvoice.org...


it has shown its true face in Syria conflict



One sad aspect of the propaganda war has been the role played by Amnesty International and – as we will see -the heavily compromised Human Rights Watch (HRW), organisations which used to be highly regarded (and still employ some decent, well-intentioned and brave individuals.)

The daily output of propaganda is difficult to keep up with, let alone dispel. With fabricated stories describing camel bones as mass graves containing 1270 bodies, Moussa Ibrahim reportedly being found in women’s clothing and viagra apparently being distributed as a weapon of mass destruction in order to “rape children as young as EIGHT” the propaganda is beyond parody.


humanrightsinvestigations.org...


these are the facts buddy



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 06:56 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova
more atrocities in Slavyansk, this time priests have been mutilated by Ukrainian Nationalists.



The mutilated bodies of two priests from Slavyansk and of two sons of one of them were found, confirmed the adviser of the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Anton Gerashchenko. "We found a grave of two priests from Slavyansk, who were tortured and killed by the Ukranian nationalists. The whole country and the whole world will know about the terrible atrocities that terrorists conducted. You will learn about it from concrete evidence," said Gerashchenko.

He said that the priests were killed for helping self-defense forces. According to him, the bodies of two sons of one of the priests were found in the grave as well. On July 8 Ukrainian Orthodox Church announced that priest of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church was kidnapped in Donetsk, Kiev Patriarchate Archpriest Yuri Ivanov.
In late May, an Orthodox priest Vladimir Maretsky who was detained by the Ukrainian military, was released and reported that he was beaten, in order for him to confess in his assistance to self-defenders.
Before that, the head of the Odessa diocese Metropolitan Agafangel confirmed the threats from the radicals.
In early April, the priest of Russian Orthodox Church Oleg Mokryak and the head of the Union of Orthodox Citizens of Ukraine Valery Kaurov were persecuted by Ukrainian Security Service, which found in their words calls for separatism. Secretary of the Odessa diocese, Archpriest Andrei Novikov left his hometown and moved to Moscow after "the same investigator, who recently came for Archpriest Oleg Mokryak with Ukrainian Security Service, called him."
"I'm sure if this government keeps its position, it will handle the physical liquidation of the Moscow Patriarchate in Ukraine", said Novikov to the newspaper Vzgliad.
Read more: voiceofrussia.com...





Ok facts are being twisted here first he was againt the sepratists movement not for it. Second his obduction was from the separatists according to his own church. Owwww another Russian lie arent you going to at least start trying to verify Russian media claims since there often wrong???




In Donetsk, on July 8, terrorists kidnapped a priest of the UOC of the Kyiv Patriarchate, archpriest Yuri Ivanov from his home.

It was written on his Facebook page, according to Archbishop Yevstratiy (Zorya).

Fr. Yuri served in the Church of the Intercession of the Holy Virgin in Petrovsky district of Donetsk.

“Earlier the separatists came to this priest and demanded that he called to his home under the pretext of urgent need Kyiv Patriarchate Archbishop Sergius of Donetsk, apparently with a purpose of kidnapping”, says Archbishop Yevstratiy.

"Believers of Donetsk are asking for prayers for Fr. Yuri Ivanov and the aid in his release”, says the Archbishop.


risu.org.ua...


no twisted facts, just your reading comprehension problems. Read again.


I suggest you reread the article maybe also some of the public statements put out by the Ukrainian orthodox church as well specifically calling Russia to stop interfering. This priest even gave interview to the press where he discussed Russian intervention in Donbass.Odd that Ukraine would attack a priest against the separatist movement that would be incredibly stupid. Guess you were not aware of that huh? But i know unless Russian media puts it out its a lie right? Even though time and again Russian media has been caught lying to its people. I know you want to so badly believe this is Russia taking on fascists all over the world to save humanity. But reality is this is a land grab started because of Putins paranoia.

See Russia didnt want the EU to have strong economic ties in Ukraine for fear Russia would lose its stranglehold on the Ukrainian economy. Only thing is he way underestimated the Ukrainian resolve in this and his biggest mistake was invading Crimea it galvanized there opinion on Russia.

PS thought you might want to read this how moscow tried to bribe the UOC to change there position on the separatists movement. I figure maybe you dont get an alternative source of news other than Russian media so im glad to help.


risu.org.ua...




zzzzzzzzzz,

Risu is just a mouthpiece of Kiev Junta.

This is just one of the things you can read there.
Unless you know, you would thought you are on the website of Security Service of Ukraine.
'Financing terrorism', lol.




14 Jule 2014, 11:51 | Religion and policy | 0 | | Code for Blog | |
The Security Service of Ukraine established the involvement of Oleksiy Selivanov, former Assistant to Defense Minister Pavel Lebedev in financing terrorism in eastern Ukraine. Selivanov was known in church circles as chieftain of "Faithful Cossacks" and worked in two Synodal Departments of the UOC-MP: the Youth Department and Pastoral Care of the Cossacks Department, Religion in Ukraine reports.



or this gem



The Kyiv Patriarchate clergymen continue to take care of the soldiers who are sent from the capital to the East to the area of ​​the antiterrorist operation. Yesterday, on July 10, at St. Michael's Monastery of the UOC-KP the service of blessing of a peacekeepers’ squad took place in the night.


blessing of a peacekeppers' squad,lol


To be honest with you, the paranoia&madness, brainwashing and hatred that has taken over the Ukraine is mind blowing . Just unbelievable. Remind of Germany in 1930'.



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 08:47 PM
link   

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova
more atrocities in Slavyansk, this time priests have been mutilated by Ukrainian Nationalists.



The mutilated bodies of two priests from Slavyansk and of two sons of one of them were found, confirmed the adviser of the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Anton Gerashchenko. "We found a grave of two priests from Slavyansk, who were tortured and killed by the Ukranian nationalists. The whole country and the whole world will know about the terrible atrocities that terrorists conducted. You will learn about it from concrete evidence," said Gerashchenko.

He said that the priests were killed for helping self-defense forces. According to him, the bodies of two sons of one of the priests were found in the grave as well. On July 8 Ukrainian Orthodox Church announced that priest of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church was kidnapped in Donetsk, Kiev Patriarchate Archpriest Yuri Ivanov.
In late May, an Orthodox priest Vladimir Maretsky who was detained by the Ukrainian military, was released and reported that he was beaten, in order for him to confess in his assistance to self-defenders.
Before that, the head of the Odessa diocese Metropolitan Agafangel confirmed the threats from the radicals.
In early April, the priest of Russian Orthodox Church Oleg Mokryak and the head of the Union of Orthodox Citizens of Ukraine Valery Kaurov were persecuted by Ukrainian Security Service, which found in their words calls for separatism. Secretary of the Odessa diocese, Archpriest Andrei Novikov left his hometown and moved to Moscow after "the same investigator, who recently came for Archpriest Oleg Mokryak with Ukrainian Security Service, called him."
"I'm sure if this government keeps its position, it will handle the physical liquidation of the Moscow Patriarchate in Ukraine", said Novikov to the newspaper Vzgliad.
Read more: voiceofrussia.com...





Ok facts are being twisted here first he was againt the sepratists movement not for it. Second his obduction was from the separatists according to his own church. Owwww another Russian lie arent you going to at least start trying to verify Russian media claims since there often wrong???




In Donetsk, on July 8, terrorists kidnapped a priest of the UOC of the Kyiv Patriarchate, archpriest Yuri Ivanov from his home.

It was written on his Facebook page, according to Archbishop Yevstratiy (Zorya).

Fr. Yuri served in the Church of the Intercession of the Holy Virgin in Petrovsky district of Donetsk.

“Earlier the separatists came to this priest and demanded that he called to his home under the pretext of urgent need Kyiv Patriarchate Archbishop Sergius of Donetsk, apparently with a purpose of kidnapping”, says Archbishop Yevstratiy.

"Believers of Donetsk are asking for prayers for Fr. Yuri Ivanov and the aid in his release”, says the Archbishop.


risu.org.ua...


no twisted facts, just your reading comprehension problems. Read again.


I suggest you reread the article maybe also some of the public statements put out by the Ukrainian orthodox church as well specifically calling Russia to stop interfering. This priest even gave interview to the press where he discussed Russian intervention in Donbass.Odd that Ukraine would attack a priest against the separatist movement that would be incredibly stupid. Guess you were not aware of that huh? But i know unless Russian media puts it out its a lie right? Even though time and again Russian media has been caught lying to its people. I know you want to so badly believe this is Russia taking on fascists all over the world to save humanity. But reality is this is a land grab started because of Putins paranoia.

See Russia didnt want the EU to have strong economic ties in Ukraine for fear Russia would lose its stranglehold on the Ukrainian economy. Only thing is he way underestimated the Ukrainian resolve in this and his biggest mistake was invading Crimea it galvanized there opinion on Russia.

PS thought you might want to read this how moscow tried to bribe the UOC to change there position on the separatists movement. I figure maybe you dont get an alternative source of news other than Russian media so im glad to help.


risu.org.ua...




zzzzzzzzzz,

Risu is just a mouthpiece of Kiev Junta.

This is just one of the things you can read there.
Unless you know, you would thought you are on the website of Security Service of Ukraine.
'Financing terrorism', lol.




14 Jule 2014, 11:51 | Religion and policy | 0 | | Code for Blog | |
The Security Service of Ukraine established the involvement of Oleksiy Selivanov, former Assistant to Defense Minister Pavel Lebedev in financing terrorism in eastern Ukraine. Selivanov was known in church circles as chieftain of "Faithful Cossacks" and worked in two Synodal Departments of the UOC-MP: the Youth Department and Pastoral Care of the Cossacks Department, Religion in Ukraine reports.



or this gem



The Kyiv Patriarchate clergymen continue to take care of the soldiers who are sent from the capital to the East to the area of ​​the antiterrorist operation. Yesterday, on July 10, at St. Michael's Monastery of the UOC-KP the service of blessing of a peacekeepers’ squad took place in the night.


blessing of a peacekeppers' squad,lol


To be honest with you, the paranoia&madness, brainwashing and hatred that has taken over the Ukraine is mind blowing . Just unbelievable. Remind of Germany in 1930'.


So now priests one of which you claimed was killed by the kiev junta as you called them is now a liar because he doesnt agee with moscow. Are you serious come on your not even trying to hide your prejudices any more.

Good thing facts dont change just because Russian media decides to lie. Look this has truly become a joke you post videos claiming ethnic cleansing in slovyansk and the sepratists are no longer there and Kiev is shipping in food and water and started clean up. Funny no Russian separatists no fighting and life continues.



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 11:48 PM
link   

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: cosmonova
more atrocities in Slavyansk, this time priests have been mutilated by Ukrainian Nationalists.



The mutilated bodies of two priests from Slavyansk and of two sons of one of them were found, confirmed the adviser of the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Anton Gerashchenko. "We found a grave of two priests from Slavyansk, who were tortured and killed by the Ukranian nationalists. The whole country and the whole world will know about the terrible atrocities that terrorists conducted. You will learn about it from concrete evidence," said Gerashchenko.

He said that the priests were killed for helping self-defense forces. According to him, the bodies of two sons of one of the priests were found in the grave as well. On July 8 Ukrainian Orthodox Church announced that priest of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church was kidnapped in Donetsk, Kiev Patriarchate Archpriest Yuri Ivanov.
In late May, an Orthodox priest Vladimir Maretsky who was detained by the Ukrainian military, was released and reported that he was beaten, in order for him to confess in his assistance to self-defenders.
Before that, the head of the Odessa diocese Metropolitan Agafangel confirmed the threats from the radicals.
In early April, the priest of Russian Orthodox Church Oleg Mokryak and the head of the Union of Orthodox Citizens of Ukraine Valery Kaurov were persecuted by Ukrainian Security Service, which found in their words calls for separatism. Secretary of the Odessa diocese, Archpriest Andrei Novikov left his hometown and moved to Moscow after "the same investigator, who recently came for Archpriest Oleg Mokryak with Ukrainian Security Service, called him."
"I'm sure if this government keeps its position, it will handle the physical liquidation of the Moscow Patriarchate in Ukraine", said Novikov to the newspaper Vzgliad.
Read more: voiceofrussia.com...





Ok facts are being twisted here first he was againt the sepratists movement not for it. Second his obduction was from the separatists according to his own church. Owwww another Russian lie arent you going to at least start trying to verify Russian media claims since there often wrong???




In Donetsk, on July 8, terrorists kidnapped a priest of the UOC of the Kyiv Patriarchate, archpriest Yuri Ivanov from his home.

It was written on his Facebook page, according to Archbishop Yevstratiy (Zorya).

Fr. Yuri served in the Church of the Intercession of the Holy Virgin in Petrovsky district of Donetsk.

“Earlier the separatists came to this priest and demanded that he called to his home under the pretext of urgent need Kyiv Patriarchate Archbishop Sergius of Donetsk, apparently with a purpose of kidnapping”, says Archbishop Yevstratiy.

"Believers of Donetsk are asking for prayers for Fr. Yuri Ivanov and the aid in his release”, says the Archbishop.


risu.org.ua...


no twisted facts, just your reading comprehension problems. Read again.


I suggest you reread the article maybe also some of the public statements put out by the Ukrainian orthodox church as well specifically calling Russia to stop interfering. This priest even gave interview to the press where he discussed Russian intervention in Donbass.Odd that Ukraine would attack a priest against the separatist movement that would be incredibly stupid. Guess you were not aware of that huh? But i know unless Russian media puts it out its a lie right? Even though time and again Russian media has been caught lying to its people. I know you want to so badly believe this is Russia taking on fascists all over the world to save humanity. But reality is this is a land grab started because of Putins paranoia.

See Russia didnt want the EU to have strong economic ties in Ukraine for fear Russia would lose its stranglehold on the Ukrainian economy. Only thing is he way underestimated the Ukrainian resolve in this and his biggest mistake was invading Crimea it galvanized there opinion on Russia.

PS thought you might want to read this how moscow tried to bribe the UOC to change there position on the separatists movement. I figure maybe you dont get an alternative source of news other than Russian media so im glad to help.


risu.org.ua...




zzzzzzzzzz,

Risu is just a mouthpiece of Kiev Junta.

This is just one of the things you can read there.
Unless you know, you would thought you are on the website of Security Service of Ukraine.
'Financing terrorism', lol.




14 Jule 2014, 11:51 | Religion and policy | 0 | | Code for Blog | |
The Security Service of Ukraine established the involvement of Oleksiy Selivanov, former Assistant to Defense Minister Pavel Lebedev in financing terrorism in eastern Ukraine. Selivanov was known in church circles as chieftain of "Faithful Cossacks" and worked in two Synodal Departments of the UOC-MP: the Youth Department and Pastoral Care of the Cossacks Department, Religion in Ukraine reports.



or this gem



The Kyiv Patriarchate clergymen continue to take care of the soldiers who are sent from the capital to the East to the area of ​​the antiterrorist operation. Yesterday, on July 10, at St. Michael's Monastery of the UOC-KP the service of blessing of a peacekeepers’ squad took place in the night.


blessing of a peacekeppers' squad,lol


To be honest with you, the paranoia&madness, brainwashing and hatred that has taken over the Ukraine is mind blowing . Just unbelievable. Remind of Germany in 1930'.


So now priests one of which you claimed was killed by the kiev junta as you called them is now a liar because he doesnt agee with moscow. Are you serious come on your not even trying to hide your prejudices any more.

Good thing facts dont change just because Russian media decides to lie. Look this has truly become a joke you post videos claiming ethnic cleansing in slovyansk and the sepratists are no longer there and Kiev is shipping in food and water and started clean up. Funny no Russian separatists no fighting and life continues.





Are you serious come on your not even trying to hide your prejudices any more.


are you serious to ask me this question? You have audacity to ask this? Lol


Meantime in Brasil



BRICS countries call for all-embracing dialogue and de-escalation of conflict in Ukraine
Read more: voiceofrussia.com...


at least some of the most powerful countries in the World are looking for a peaceful resolution of conflict in Ukraine
and the end of suffering for people of Novorossia.
edit on 15-7-2014 by cosmonova because: (no reason given)







 
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