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originally posted by: Bilk22
Just noticed - you have started exactly ZERO threads on ATS. Why not start a thread that chemtrails are like unicorns?
originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: Bilk22
It's a crime, isn't it?
I'm not aware of any laws against contrails. It would appear that you posted the pics because you believe they are evidence of "chemtrails". Do you believe that? Then why not do something about it? Unless of course you realize it's evidence of nothing.
What is "disingenuous" about my posts? I, as you are well aware, cannot prove what those fumes in the sky consist of. This fact is what the deniers rely upon. However I've been on this planet for 54 years and have seen and witnessed quite a bit. I'm also pretty well educated. I also have a good sense of when something isn't right or normal. That sense has helped me quite a bit in the world. So when I see aircraft leaving these lines of "fumes" in the atmosphere on a clear blue sky, sometimes in what appear to be distinct patterns, then later see the sky grey over, my sense of normal is not satisfied. It tells me it's something other than what it appears to be.
originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
originally posted by: Bilk22
Mind if I ask - WHAT"S IT TO YOU?
originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: Bilk22
It's a crime, isn't it?
I'm not aware of any laws against contrails. It would appear that you posted the pics because you believe they are evidence of "chemtrails". Do you believe that? Then why not do something about it? Unless of course you realize it's evidence of nothing.
I do mind but to be polite I'll answer. I'm concerned for you as a fellow ATSer that this behavior appears a bit disingenuous. Just a heads up.
That's a damn shame. Seems like you have a lot to say and so much to offer. Instead of being a Monday morning QB. Try running with the ball in real time
originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
originally posted by: Bilk22
Just noticed - you have started exactly ZERO threads on ATS. Why not start a thread that chemtrails are like unicorns?
originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: Bilk22
It's a crime, isn't it?
I'm not aware of any laws against contrails. It would appear that you posted the pics because you believe they are evidence of "chemtrails". Do you believe that? Then why not do something about it? Unless of course you realize it's evidence of nothing.
IMO, OPs have somewhat of a responsibility to stick with their threads to the end. I don't like that level of commitment or have the attention span for it.
Now what makes you think your pics are of "chemtrails"?
Notice I did say "This behavior appears a bit disingenuous" and I put it that way for a reason. One simple answer would be that you're claiming the trails to be something when you admit you don't what they are.
What is "disingenuous" about my posts?
Right. You don't know what's in them and yes, contrail deniers do rely on that fact.
I, as you are well aware, cannot prove what those fumes in the sky consist of. This fact is what the deniers rely upon.
The ice is formed when the exhaust fumes from the engine freeze. Yes I fully understand what is happening. They too are indeed "fumes". Look up the definition. Maybe you need an education in the "science" LOL
originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: Bilk22
Notice I did say "This behavior appears a bit disingenuous" and I put it that way for a reason. One simple answer would be that you're claiming the trails to be something when you admit you don't what they are.
What is "disingenuous" about my posts?
Right. You don't know what's in them and yes, contrail deniers do rely on that fact.
I, as you are well aware, cannot prove what those fumes in the sky consist of. This fact is what the deniers rely upon.
BTW you're not seeing fumes. Usually when you see a trail you're seeing ice. Have you ever looked into Contrail Science?
Ok educate me. Show me the twisted road that leads to water vapor being "fumes". There's more to the definition of fumes than being a vapor.
The ice is formed when the exhaust fumes from the engine freeze. Yes I fully understand what is happening. They too are indeed "fumes". Look up the definition. Maybe you need an education in the "science" LOL
Now are they just the natural exhaust produced by a turbine or something more?
www.aip.org...
One morning as he was talking with a reporter from the New York Times Roberts pointed out the jet airplane contrails overhead. He predicted that by mid afternoon they would spread and thin, until you couldn't tell the contrails from cirrus clouds. They did, and you couldn't.(10) The Times made it a front-page story (Sept. 23, 1963).
I don't think yours is funny, I think it's sad.
I think the crusade you're on is a funny as the one you believe me to be on.
You have proof that contrails that persist and spread are indeed just that or are you relying upon what someone wrote on the internet?
originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: Bilk22
Ok educate me. Show me the twisted road that leads to water vapor being "fumes". There's more to the definition of fumes than being a vapor.
The ice is formed when the exhaust fumes from the engine freeze. Yes I fully understand what is happening. They too are indeed "fumes". Look up the definition. Maybe you need an education in the "science" LOL
Next step would be to demonstrate visibility of water vapor. Not steam. Not ice. Water vapor. Like I said, you're not seeing fumes.
Now are they just the natural exhaust produced by a turbine or something more?
Since we know how contrails are produced it's more than reasonable to conclude they are simply contrails. Contrails in general and persisting spreading contrails are nothing new.
www.aip.org...
One morning as he was talking with a reporter from the New York Times Roberts pointed out the jet airplane contrails overhead. He predicted that by mid afternoon they would spread and thin, until you couldn't tell the contrails from cirrus clouds. They did, and you couldn't.(10) The Times made it a front-page story (Sept. 23, 1963).
You can suspect anything you like but suspicions aren't evidence. The "I don't know, therefore chemtrails" position that so many take is illogical.
I don't think yours is funny, I think it's sad.
I think the crusade you're on is a funny as the one you believe me to be on.
What IF this whole "chemtrails" meme is being used a distraction from actual invisible geoengineering occurring now? I don't *think* that's the case right now but at some point in the future maybe it could be.
Now that's about as ironic as it gets. They've been doing so long before any "chemtrail" bull# was sprayed on the net. Not that you'll look at it but, here you go contrailscience.com...
You have proof that contrails that persist and spread are indeed just that or are you relying upon what someone wrote on the internet?
I was setting in a window seat just back of the trailing edge of the wing. I noticed several times during the flight the engines would create a vortex swirl of what I would call a vapor. I assumed it was there because of the difference between exhaust temp and exhaust pressure
If there where chemtrails and these jet liners and military jets would be spewing out something that would make people ill. That has not been proven anywhere that I know of.
You have proof that contrails that persist and spread are indeed just that or are you relying upon what someone wrote on the internet?
I, as you are well aware, cannot prove what those fumes in the sky consist of.
Interesting statement. Can you tell us what you mean by "chemtrails" and how do you know they're real?
Chemtrails are real
If there are people who are causing chemtrails, and chemtrails are detrimental to everything, then they're being detrimental to themselves too, aren't they?
In one of my prior posts I stated that maybe they're spraying something that has the potential to be hazardous but is being used for something other than as a direct agent to harm. This happens all of the time. Risk reward factor. Risk and reward for whom is the question.
originally posted by: JesseVentura
That's true, and you may be completely correct. Chemtrails are real, but I'm still trying to figure out this: the people, who are making chemtrails, aren't they affecting themselves too? Can someone show me these people that are spraying chemicals into the sky, and wearing gas masks, so they don't have to breathe whatever it is they're spraying? If there are people who are causing chemtrails, and chemtrails are detrimental to everything, then they're being detrimental to themselves too, aren't they? Don't get me wrong, they are probably knuckleheads who would do that. I'm not saying there's not! Maybe it'll come out that it is all true, but I think the NSA is far more probable than chemtrails are.
a reply to: Thisbseth