ISIS ISIS ISIS

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
Here are some articles worth reading for some basic insight.

www.bbc.co.uk...

The Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) is a jihadist group active in Iraq and Syria.

ISIS was formed in April 2013 and grew out of al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI). It has since been disavowed by al-Qaeda, but become one of the main jihadist groups fighting government forces in Syria and is making military gains in Iraq.

The final "S" in the acronym ISIS stems from the Arabic word "al-Sham". This can mean the Levant, Syria or even Damascus but in the context of the global jihad it refers to the Levant.

Initially, the group relied on donations from wealthy individuals in Gulf Arab states, particularly Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, who supported its fight against President Bashar al-Assad.

Today, ISIS is said to earn a significant amounts from the oil fields it controls in eastern Syria, reportedly selling some of the supply back to the Syrian government. It is also believed to have been selling looted antiquities from historical sites.

Prof Neumann believes that before the capture of Mosul in June 2014, ISIS had cash and assets worth about $900m (£500m). Afterwards, this rose to around $2bn (£1.18bn).

The group reportedly took hundreds of millions of dollars from Mosul's branch of Iraq's central bank. And its financial windfall looked set to continue if it maintains control of oil fields in northern Iraq.

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Looks like they got bought off by Assad, "OK guys, here's the deal, you keep law and order in the rest of Syria and you get to keep the oil revenue. But in return, don't go bugging me, go after Iraq, Libya and anywhere else you want."

So they repeat the tactic with Iraq and Libya.

a reply to: stormcell

It is certainly a speculation.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

The Syrian regime of President Bashar al-Assad has funded and co-operated with al-Qaeda in a complex double game even as the terrorists fight Damascus, according to new allegations by Western intelligence agencies, rebels and al-Qaeda defectors.

Jabhat al-Nusra, and the even more extreme Islamic State of Iraq and al-Shams (ISIS), the two al-Qaeda affiliates operating in Syria, have both been financed by selling oil and gas from wells under their control to and through the regime, intelligence sources have told The Daily Telegraph.

Rebels and defectors say the regime also deliberately released militant prisoners to strengthen jihadist ranks at the expense of moderate rebel forces. The aim was to persuade the West that the uprising was sponsored by Islamist militants including al-Qaeda as a way of stopping Western support for it.

The allegations by Western intelligence sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, are in part a public response to demands by Assad that the focus of peace talks due to begin in Switzerland tomorrow be switched from replacing his government to co-operating against al-Qaeda in the “war on terrorism”.

“Assad’s vow to strike terrorism with an iron fist is nothing more than bare-faced hypocrisy,” an intelligence source said. “At the same time as peddling a triumphant narrative about the fight against terrorism, his regime has made deals to serve its own interests and ensure its survival.”

Intelligence gathered by Western secret services suggested the regime began collaborating actively with these groups again in the spring of 2013. When Jabhat al-Nusra seized control of Syria’s most lucrative oil fields in the eastern province of Deir al-Zour, it began funding its operations in Syria by selling crude oil, with sums raised in the millions of dollars.

“The regime is paying al-Nusra to protect oil and gas pipelines under al-Nusra’s control in the north and east of the country, and is also allowing the transport of oil to regime-held areas,” the source said. “We are also now starting to see evidence of oil and gas facilities under ISIS control.”

The source accepted that the regime and the al-Qaeda affiliates were still hostile to each other and the relationship was opportunistic, but added that the deals confirmed that “despite Assad’s finger-pointing” his regime was to blame for the rise of al-Qaeda in Syria.

Western diplomats were furious at recent claims that delegations of officials led by a retired MI6 officer had visited Damascus to re-open contact with the Assad regime. There is no doubt that the West is alarmed at the rise of al-Qaeda within the rebel ranks, which played a major role in decisions by Washington and London to back off from sending arms to the opposition.

But the fury is also an indication that they suspect they have been outmanoeuvred by Assad, who has during his rule alternated between waging war on Islamist militants and working with them.

After September 11, he co-operated with the United States’ rendition programme for militant suspects; after the invasion of Iraq, he helped al-Qaeda to establish itself in Western Iraq as part of an axis of resistance to the West; then when the group turned violently against the Iraqi Shias who were backed by Assad’s key ally, Iran, he began to arrest them again.

As the uprising against his rule began, Assad switched again, releasing al-Qaeda prisoners. It happened as part of an amnesty, said one Syrian activist who was released from Sednaya prison near Damascus at the same time.

“There was no explanation for the release of the jihadis,” the activist, called Mazen, said. “I saw some of them being paraded on Syrian state television, accused of being Jabhat al-Nusra and planting car bombs. This was impossible, as they had been in prison with me at the time the regime said the bombs were planted. He was using them to promote his argument that the revolution was made of extremists.”

Other activists and former Sednaya inmates corroborated his account, and analysts have identified a number of former prisoners now at the head of militant groups, including Jabhat al-Nusra, ISIS and a third group, Ahrar al-Sham, which fought alongside Jabhat al-Nusra but has now turned against ISIS.

One former inmate said he had been in prison with “Abu Ali” who is now the head of the ISIS Sharia court in the north-eastern al-Qaeda-run city of Raqqa. Another said he knew leaders in Raqqa and Aleppo who were prisoners in Sednaya until early 2012.

These men then spearheaded the gradual takeover of the revolution from secular activists, defected army officers and more moderate Islamist rebels.

Syrian intelligence has historically had close connections with extremist groups. In an interview with The Daily Telegraph after he defected, Nawaf al-Fares, a Syrian security chief, told how he was part of an operation to smuggle jihadist volunteers into Iraq from Syria after the 2003 invasion.

Aron Lund, editor of a website, Syria in Crisis, used by the Carnegie Endowment to monitor the war, said: “The regime has done a good job in trying to turn the revolution Islamist. The releases from Sednaya prison are a good example of this. The regime claims that it released the prisoners because Assad had shortened their sentences as part of a general amnesty. But it seems to have gone beyond that. There are no random acts of kindness from this regime.”

Rebels both inside and outside ISIS also say they believe the regime targeted its attacks on non-militant groups, leaving ISIS alone. “We were confident that the regime would not bomb us,” an ISIS defector, who called himself Murad, said. “We always slept soundly in our bases.”

ISIS = Boogey Man Du Jour

In order to keep the war machine running.

Timeline:

PTB lie to get us into Iraq. We bomb them into oblivion, loot their resources, our MIC gets rich but then the jig is up..the people find out it was all a ruse. The PTB can no longer justify the rationale or cost to the people so they pull out leaving an inept government to run it into the ground even more..making way for said boogey man, funded by a different faction of the PTB to wreak havoc...cue the cries for help and then, wash, rinse, repeat.

Nothing but a con game. ENOUGH!

originally posted by: teslarocks
My questions are many. Has anyone heard of these evildoers before last week?

Yes. They were, and are, highly active in Syria.

How did they get their arms, their nice Toyota trucks, their money to operate,etc.

ISIS is supported by private donors. Some also believe that states such as Qatar and Saudi Arabia may support them.

If they were truly a threat, why didn't our (or Iraqs) fighter jets come in and mow them down when they were driving in a nice straight line down the highway and stop them in their tracks?

That is for the heads of state to answer. Obama is adamant on not re-entering Iraq, probably for political reasons. Some Kurds believe that there may be ulterior motives to Nouri al-Maliki and the ISIS invasion. Here's an excerpt of an interview with the head of Iraqi Kurdistan’s most powerful political party in Mosul, Esmat Rajab:

NIQASH: Prime Minister Al-Maliki has asked Iraq’s Parliament to declare a state of emergency throughout the country. Is that a good idea, do you think?

Rajab: I believe al-Maliki wanted Mosul to be captured by ISIS so that he could force Parliament in Baghdad to declare a state of emergency. Once that happens, he will be the only ruler of Iraq and he will have all authority. Mosul was under siege from ISIS for several days and he didn’t do one thing to stop it.

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Here's an excerpt of another interview with Iraq's Deputy Prime Minister, Rowsch Nuri Shaways:

Rudaw: Kurdistan Prime Minister Nechirvan Barzani said that Baghdad didn’t cooperate with the Kurds to prevent the fall of Mosul. Why didn’t they cooperate?

Rowsch Nuri Shaways: Non-cooperation is nothing new. Maliki wanted only himself to be in charge of security in Mosul. Maliki didn’t really want to work with the Kurds on this. Otherwise, the situation wouldn’t have reached this point. Maliki was convinced that they had their own security plan. But now that it has failed, they must find something new.

rudaw.net...

From what i have read, the Kurds were well aware of an ISIS advancement, but their warnings to Baghdad fell on deaf ears...that might say something about the perspective or Iraq's leadership.

What is the endgame here?

ISIS wants to establish a new Islamic Caliphate in the Iraq and Levant (greater Syria) regions.

Who is backing them up?

Private donors, mostly. Some allege that ISIS is supported by Qatar and Saudi Arabia. ISIS is also said to engage in black market dealings, where they acquire significant amounts of money.

We are brainwashed into believing war is good for the economy thanks to world war 2? Where did the influx of money come from to fight our way out of the great depression? From the same people that funded Hitler and whose influence is even stronger today. You have the Vatican working in tandem with the khazarian central bankers, pushing fascism and bankrupting countries so they can own them and dictate public policy. Terror is not an enemy, therefore you can never won a war against it. Terror is an idea, and the tube is owned by corporate interests to force feed fear, division, hatred and worship of the state. We are no better than communist russia, and the rigged monetary system rewards greed, corruption, fraud and the destruction of your fellow man. Look at the fda, irs, dhs, blm, sec, cia, nsa and tell me if you trust any one of them. Isis is the new scapegoat to keep the war machine going. Where do u think they got their weapons and training? Do a few rag heads actually pose a threat to our defense? Helll no. Would you want another Country like China coming in and fu.cking with us while we figure out our issues? Our government is serving the globalist ideal which calls for systematic control over every aspect of the population, creating an environment of forced slavery and collectivism. What happened in Libya is a shame, they were on the gold standard and therefore able to keep all their wealth without paying interest for worthless pieces of paper. Once all countries are on fiat currency they Will become permanent debt slaves subject to any legislation and a tot loss of rights. At least the Muslim people have the balls to stand up for the right to govern themselves. We are no better than anyone else, our system corrupted, disease rampant, and economy in decline in spite of our theft of global resources. If there's one thing to understand, we live in a Cold hard world where anything goes
a reply to: teslarocks

Seeing it as a Zionist conspiracy and Western plan is rather naive and a pseudo easy way of brushing off something that is a concern to civilized lands.

Instead of buying into whichever popularist sales pitch buy off sound bite that makes it easier to swallow, just do some research instead. Sure there is corruption, sure the west has a lot to answer for, and Israel isn't a saint but look beyond the soundbite rhetoric and you will see that there are long standing issues in the middle east that were there before any western intervention and you might also realise that the west has been played as much as it has played.

Also realise that the US and UK are talking to Iran about ''solving Iraq'', conveniently, Iran are awaiting deals on it's nuclear future, scheduled for the 20th of July.


www.telegraph.co.uk...

Britain and the US are to enter direct talks with Iran over how to stabilise the situation in Iraq as the country heads towards a de facto partition between Sunnis, Shia and Kurds.

Iran is seeking a deal with major world powers within weeks that would end years of dispute over the country's nuclear programme and economic sanctions imposed on it by western powers, President Hassan Rouhani has said.

He said he wanted to reach an agreement by 20 July, adding that the the international sanctions regime had crumbled and would not be rebuilt – even if no final nuclear deal could be reached.

Rouhani also said he would be willing to work with the White House to meet the danger posed by Islamist extremists who have taken towns in northern Iraq, in a sign of shifting attitudes towards the US in Tehran.

"The disputes can be resolved with goodwill and flexibility … I believe that the 20 July deadline can be met despite remaining disputes. If not, we can continue the talks for a month or more," he said, addressing the nation in a live broadcast on state television.

"During the nuclear negotiations we have displayed our strong commitment to diplomacy (but even) if a deal can't be reached by July 20, conditions will never be like the past. The sanctions regime has been broken."

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The West should think carefully before embracing Iran’s mullahs

Our mistake is to think that the events in Iraq do not lead straight back to us. Yet if one tears one’s gaze from there to connect the dots, the pattern is plain to see. In Brunei, the Sultan, obscenely wealthy, pushes his impoverished country backwards by imposing sharia, all the while expecting us to increase his riches by continuing to patronise the Dorchester hotel, which he owns – in Hollywood and London, celebrities and businesses have thought otherwise and are boycotting his companies. In Nigeria, the world is slowly forgetting the hundreds of Christian girls kidnapped and forcefully converted by Boko Haram, which marches on with impunity. In Kenya yesterday, al-Shabaab militants attacked beach resorts, killing 49 people. In Israel, Islamists have kidnapped three Jewish teenagers. Pakistan launches strikes on militant bases in its tribal areas, while British intelligence worries about the ways extremists from the Kashmir valleys find willing supporters in the backstreets of Bradford and Skipton. There are 500 British jihadists fighting in Syria. Libya is Balkanised. Iraq is collapsing.

Our fear of demonising Islam and British Muslims means we worry about speaking out about the medievalism at the heart of this ideology, which has no more to do with Islam than the gay-hating, Koran-burning Westboro Baptist Church in Florida has to do with Protestantism. Islam is a convenient deflector for a cultural outlook that rejects education, science, culture, human rights and the central place of women, the hard-won building blocks of civilisation of any kind. Do we not wonder why it is necessary to mount government campaigns against forced marriage, as was done yesterday, or against female genital mutilation? Backwardness promoted under cover of Islam reaches into our own communities.

It is a measure of how confused and chaotic the West’s policy towards Iraq and Islam has become that Iran has gone from pariah state and charter member of the Axis of Evil to a legitimate interlocutor in the struggle against a more terrifying force. One can almost feel the relief of diplomats saying to themselves, “at least we can reason with them”.

No wonder. Iran has been engaged in intensive diplomacy in Geneva ahead of the July deadline for a deal on its nuclear ambitions. Its diplomats are familiar and admired. It will doubtless calculate that its hand has been strengthened in the negotiations. The realisation in Washington, London and elsewhere that a vast, strategically important area is in the hands of a gang of obscurantist crazies with money to burn and a taste for crucifixion has suddenly made Iran a necessary interlocutor. As William Hague told the Commons yesterday: “We do have many common interests with Iran,” including stability in Afghanistan and Iraq.

It would be a mistake typical of how we have approached the politics of the region to get carried away. “My enemy’s enemy is my friend” is a necessary calculation of any diplomacy, but it has been our desire to divide good guys from bad guys, to pick winners and losers, that has led us to fail repeatedly. When Rory Stewart, the new head of the

Commons defence select committee, who served in Iraq, said yesterday that we should concentrate on what we can do, not what we ought to do, a necessary dose of realism began to penetrate the debate. The millennial sectarianism that pits Shia against Sunni, as refracted through the prism of regional power politics drawing together Egypt, Israel, Syria, Iraq and Iran, remains beyond our ability to shift, save at the margins.

Funny how US msm and our msm differs: I've never heard of that 'Archer ISIS' (?) tv show, but ISIS has been mentioned here on news shows by arab/terrorism experts since the start of the Syria stuff, so they're not news to me. But their sudden increase in power, wealth and goodies is highly suspicious. With all the other stuff happening around it, surely this is backed and helped by western powers... divide and conquer. Create a new enemy for a war on terror and fear doctrine to keep going strong...the show must go on, install new players for a new chapter. And the masses are all falling for it again, scared by the terror images (sometimes fake) broadcasted by msm (ours is willing for that propaganda as well). Now I don't say ISIS and other Islam fundies are good, the masses don't know they're being played so their barbarism is real...but it's controlled opposition, no doubt. It's always the same game, with the blind sheep of the masses falling for it every time again. Now thát's sickening as well.

a reply to: teslarocks

They were in a graphic I saw about a year ago describing the territories of the different Syrian rebel groups.

a reply to: Richardus

I posted an article that details their funding on this or the previous page, it wasn't from the west.

Your link talks about Saudi arabian sharia law. Well aren't they are buddies, who helped us stage a false flag chemical weapons attack in syria? Isn't it really about money and oil? These people won't stop til they have it all and rule with the hand of God. People in this class are working together against the rest of us, who are mere piss ants and sources of wealth for them. The 85 richest who own more than 3,500,000,000 people are who we are all in debt to, including corporations like the U.S. If banking debt was wiped out, sure a lot of white collar people would be out of a job, and the financial district along with the world's wealthiest would be peeved, but the real source of wealth in this country might be able to enjoy some of the fruits of their long stolen labor. Crime and poverty go hand in hand, and now that americans are in debt privately to the tune of some 30 trillion dollars, we'll be seeing a skyrocketing amount of crime, fraud, and suffering. We need to focus on where our money is being spent and wasted, not on some middle eastern conflicts which we've managed to be a horrible catalyst for at our own expense and gained nothing but resentment around the globe. The middle east used to be the best place for health care, philosophy among other things now it is in ruins and people can't prosper in those conditions because they are too scared about what tomorrow might bring to invest, start businesses, and grow. Our education system is a joke, at least asian countries don't care about leaving slow children behind in the classrooms, pushing common core idiocracy, and have instituted economically sound principles whereby they will soon surpass the U.S. in wealth. Our infrastructure is falling to pieces, we've tied up our natural resources, kept cancer cures and real medicine banned by the fda, and made more laws with terrible long term consequences. Most people aren't producing anything of value in the U.S. yet get more share of the wealth than those who do hard labor. It's all about conning other people, controlling their beliefs, and manipulating the populace into giving up their rights, money, and life's purpose.

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

a reply to: teslarocks
I honestly felt when I looked at the livelink of their 'presentation" ..and after looking up the death tolls (750,000 to 1.3 mil) ..I thought:
Just let them blow each other up ...totally an inhumane thing to think.

But what hand did we have in this nonsense ?

a reply to: MOSTwanted

Consider that the middle East has issues which have been around for a very long time and would have been there regardless of any involvement from anywhere ever.

I'd heard about them in Syria as one of the rebel forces fighting Assad, committing atrocities etc.

Propped up by the Sauds and their allies

ISIS a new shadowy threat for the masses.We have already have been hearing from warmongers from both sides of the so-called aisle are saying that they will soon attack the homeland and how Iraq falling apart is the fault of Obama.Always remember it's his job to take the blame just like all the other figureheads before him.

They have about2 billion $$ , or so I read.


Never heard of them before. I was surprised to hear them being called ISIS ( Islamic State of Iraq and Syria)


However, had any of us heard of the Taliban or Osama bin laden before 9-11??

How long before this isis is attacking or threatening to attack the west in their homeland ? So they can initiate more TSA rules?

originally posted by: whyamIhere

60,000 Iragi Army ran from 600 guys in Toyota's.

if you are quoting FACTs and FiGUREs then PLEASE get them correct.....

It was 30,000 Iraqi's from 850 Isis in toyota's.....

Stop spreading Mis-Information please...... Fact only.....;-)

Regards
PBL

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

Excellent post...

PDUK

a reply to: teslarocks

a new threat to my freedom

This quote has always puzzled me...
Its usually said by Americans, i dont know what country you live in OP.
But how exactly is this gang of murderers a threat to your freedom?

a reply to: PurpleDog UK

Many thanks!

Looks like a job for the AC-130 puff the magic dragon gunship.