ISIS ISIS ISIS

What seem strange is that this so called "Religious Extreme" group of people, are using a pagan religious name...

originally posted by: knightsofhonor
What seem strange is that this so called "Religious Extreme" group of people, are using a pagan religious name...

It doesn't have anything to do with the goddess Isis.

The more accurate translation of the name of the group is the "Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant" or ISIL.

a reply to: knightsofhonor

It's an acronym.They use a lot of those like AQLIM, JTJ etc. they perhaps are oblivious to it's ancient Egyptian origins.

Defence Institute of International Legal Studies, glossary of acronyms

a reply to: Rycas

You know there is something in Islamic eschatology that really gives me shivers.

The Messenger of Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: “When you see that black flags have appeared from Khorasan then join them. Because Allah’s Khalifa Mahdi will be among them.” [Musnad Ahmed]

And who has the Black Flags right now? ISIS... Just some food for thought.

a reply to: DarknStormy

I have studied both Christian eschatology and Islamic eschatology, and it does not matter if we choose to believe it or not but Islam has been crying out for a caliph for years.I have had no doubt that the next caliph will also be proclaimed the Mahdi and he will not take the throne unless it is on the holy mount in Jerusalem. Take a look at the link on my earlier post. This Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi is being held up for the job, it would explain why ISIS has risen so quickly and so successfully. The Sunni Muslims think he may well be the Mahdi and that means he will have friends in the highest places and why Shiite controlled Southern Iraq and Iran have gone into a bit of a panic. Something big is going down in the Middle East and if it's what the Islamic world thinks it is then be in no doubt it will affect the whole world! I hope I'm very wrong!!

Bit of religion for you:

2 Thessalonians 2
New International Version (NIV)
The Man of Lawlessness

2 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

a reply to: Rycas

I would like you to be wrong about that, but having studied some of it also, it appears it might be the case.

Their global jihad needs a Mahdi and the global picture if they did and took Israel isn't pretty.

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
People need to wake up and smell the coffee. Stop blaming the west and Israel for all the events in the Middle East, it is just an excuse for not recognising the facts.

ISIS might be the name of an Egyptian goddess, the predecessor to many (I have written about this on other threads) but it is imperative to see the reality that the whole ME thing isn't a veiled attempt at goddess worship from Zionists / Illuminati / Muslims or any other women hating misogynist male centric attempt at religion. Stop being fooled.

Realise that in places like the ME, the policies regarding women aren't great.

Consider these practices and how unacceptable they are.

Women have been stoned to death in public by their own families and others for being raped / refusing marriage / falling in love / dancing / smiling / removing a head to toe black cloak covering all but their eyes

Girls having their 'pleasure sensing intimate body parts' routinely removed so they cannot feel sexual pleasure otherwise called FGM

Men making arranged marriages, forcing girls and women to marry regardless of their own opinions or feelings

Men making arranged marriages of girls, some as young as 8, that they then consider as 'owned' by them and committing sexual relationships upon them sometimes to the point that they died, or those post puberty that died in childbirth due to being too young and not yet grown enough for being able to physically cope with childbirth, or those that survived that having prolapsed uteruses due to being too young for giving birth

Men that have killed their wives for little or nothing such as their parents not paying enough money to them as part of a marriage deal

Women being not allowed to work, or drive, or dance with anyone but other women or their husbands

Women being considered property of their families then their husbands with little or no human rights at all

Women being forced to wear veils and hijab, often covering all but their eyes

It is not the religion of woman love or worship.

Some of it has been attempted in the UK, there are laws being put in place making arranged marriages illegal and for combatting 'Trojan horse' madrasa rule in schools where they have been teaching against curriculum things like denying science lessons and teaching female subservience instead.

Tribalism has been around in the Middle East for a very long time and has caused wars about succession and rule and now there is the added emphasis on political power and control of oil fields.

The west are involved because of arms deals and oil deals. Political affiliation and global politics are at play but a lot of funding for ISIS has come from the Gulf, taking over oil fields in Syria and the looted bank of Mosul.

www.ibtimes.com...

The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is now the richest terror group in the world, after stealing $429 million from the central bank in Mosul, the second largest city in Iraq, which ISIS has occupied since earlier this week. While it will certainly gave their finances a boost, the group has been making millions in other ways for some time to fund a vast array of activities.

“ISIS is most likely getting funding from outside sources and private funding from individuals in the Gulf region,” he said.

A report from the Council on Foreign Relations says that many believe supporters in Jordan, Syria and Saudi Arabia provide “the bulk of past funding.”

However, a key strategic source of funds for ISIS is local populations in the areas it controls.

Even before taking over Mosul, "the group extorted taxes from businesses small and large, netting upwards of of $8 million a month, according to some estimates,” the CFR report says.

www.npr.org...

The Shiites are concentrated in Iran, southern Iraq and southern Lebanon. But there are significant Shiite communities in Saudi Arabia and Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India as well.

"There is definitely an emerging struggle between Sunni and Shia to define not only the pattern of local politics, but also the relationship between the Islamic world and the West," says Daniel Brumberg of Georgetown University, author of Reinventing Khomeini: The Struggle for Reform in Iran.

That struggle is playing out now in Iraq, but it is a struggle that could spread to many Arab nations in the Middle East and to Iran, which is Persian.

One other factor about the Shiites bears mentioning. "Shiites constitute 80 percent of the native population of the oil-rich Persian Gulf region," notes Yitzhak Nakash, author of The Shi'is of Iraq.

Shiites predominate where there is oil in Iran, in Iraq and in the oil-rich areas of eastern Saudi Arabia as well.

The original split between Sunnis and Shiites occurred soon after the death of the Prophet Muhammad, in the year 632.

"There was a dispute in the community of Muslims in present-day Saudi Arabia over the question of succession," says Augustus Norton, author of Hezbollah: A Short History. "That is to say, who is the rightful successor to the prophet?"

Over the next centuries, Islam clashed with the European Crusaders, with the Mongol conquerors from Central Asia, and was spread farther by the Ottoman Turks.

By the year 1500, Persia was a seat of Sunni Islamic learning, but all that was about to change with the arrival of Azeri conquerors. They established the Safavid dynasty in Persia — modern-day Iran — and made it Shiite.

"That dynasty actually came out of what's now eastern Turkey," says Gause, the University of Vermont professor. "They were a Turkic dynasty, one of the leftovers of the Mongol invasions that had disrupted the Middle East for a couple of centuries. The Safavid dynasty made it its political project to convert Iran into a Shia country."

Shiites gradually became the glue that held Persia together and distinguished it from the Ottoman Empire to its west, which was Sunni, and the Mughal Muslims to the east in India, also Sunni.

"Why has there been such a long and protracted disagreement and tension between these two sects?" asks Ray Takeyh, author of Hidden Iran: Paradox and Power in the Islamic Republic. "It has to do with political power."

In the 20th century, that meant a complex political dynamic involving Sunni and Shiites, Arabs and Persians, colonizers and colonized, oil, and the involvement of the superpowers

All those things you describe arent strictly religious. Many of them are customs and traditions from cultures that practice them. I have known quite a few muslims in the UK, and you know what, they dress like me, they talk like me, they act like me. Education is a funny thing, it stops people being so damn stupid.

Your final quote really does sum it up..."It has to do with political power".
And what the hell does religion have to do with politics?
Except as a wedge to drive between people, along with all the other wedges.

a reply to: DarknStormy


Khorasan is ancient Iran not Iraq.

a reply to: OneManArmy

The unacceptable and abhorrent behaviour that you are arguing about being ''cultural practice'' more than religion, are you serious. Their cultural practices are all based on their religion and the fact is it is abhorrent behaviour regardless of how it got there.

As for religion and politics, their religion is their politics, take a reality check and stop nitpicking.

The educated, westernised London bombers weren't considered a threat until they bombed London. Educate yourself and stop being naive. Just because a person dresses like a westerner and doesn't shout about their extremist views doesn't make them okay.

The video is from another thread, it is disgusting, maybe you should watch it and then see if you want to argue about whether it is a matter of religion, culture or politics. I suggest to you it is all of those, in a most hideous mixture advertising itself as some sort of salvation. Perhaps Christianity was right and there is a satan. If there is you can bet these guys are worshipping it.

news.bbc.co.uk...

The four men who carried out the 7 July bombings were young Britons who had led apparently ordinary lives. Their profiles are below.

Mohammad Sidique Khan, 30, Edgware Road bomber
A married father-of-one and teaching assistant, Mohammad Sidique Khan was the oldest of the bombers and is thought to have taken the lead role.
Raised in Beeston, Leeds, he was the youngest of six children born to Pakistani immigrants who had taken British citizenship.
Friends from his teenage years recall a highly Westernised young man who insisted on being called "Sid".

Germaine Lindsay, 19, Russell Square bomber
Jamaican-born British resident Germaine Lindsay spent his childhood in Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, not far from the other bombers' homes.
He converted to Islam in 2000, took the name Jamal and, at around the same time, started to associate with troublemakers.
In many ways Lindsay's life was unsettled, but in 2002 he married a white convert to Islam, with whom he had a young boy. A daughter was born after his death.
Lindsay carried out the most deadly of the bombings, killing 26 on the Piccadilly line train.

Hasib Mir Hussain, 18, Tavistock Square bomber
Teenager Hasib Hussain was known as a quiet student with few friends whose life attracted little outside attention during his early teens.
Hussain was a second generation British citizen whose parents were of Pakistani origin. He grew up in Holbeck, on the outskirts of Leeds, and was the youngest of four children. He was still living with his parents when he died.

Shehzad Tanweer, 22, Aldgate bomber
Shehzad Tanweer was born in Bradford but lived most of his life in the Beeston area of Leeds.
Neighbours described the sports science graduate as a "nice lad" who could "get on with anyone". Friends said he was very religious, but did not express an interest in politics.

www.telegraph.co.uk... h-English.html

A white man speaking "fluent British English" led suspected al-Shabaab commandos who ransacked towns in northern Kenya leaving 60 people dead, witnesses have said.
Several people in Mpeketoni, which was attacked by as many as 40 Islamist gunmen on Sunday, told The Telegraph that the gang's leader was pale-skinned and spoke English and Arabic.

One of the witnesses is a primary schoolteacher who speaks good English, unlike many people in the remote corner of Kenya near the Lamu archipelago that earlier this week became the country's latest terror target.

The accounts strengthened suggestions that the attackers were part of a well-trained team sent by al-Shabaab under the co-ordination of an experienced foreign jihadi now working with the Somali Islamists.

"I saw a white man who was speaking in fluent British English commanding the rest of the attackers," said Mary Gachoki, who lives in Mpeketoni.

This video is from another thread it is direct filming of the atrocities in Iraq, it is disgusting and contains offensive scenes. If you start watching from around 22:00 you will see them say their message to the west and to non believers.

originally posted by: Willtell
The ISIS Ploy: Illuminati Sorcery and Sacrifice

by Zen Gardner

It’s rather ironic that this latest wave of Western armed and financed “Islamic” militants invading Iraq and now conveniently threatening Syria and Iran is named ISIS. Or is it deliberate? It’s being used to stand for this oddly anglicised fabricated “Islamic State in Iraq and Syria” full on barbaric movement presently sweeping Iraq, but anyone acquainted with any degree of occult knowledge or esoteric mythology know the goddess Isis is one of the most important figures in the so-called mystery schools and a favorite of Freemasonry and the Illuminati. And for many very dark reasons for which they have manipulated, murdered and thoroughly deceived humanity for millennia. While the US is currently once again self-appointedly deciding whether to go into all out overt war on this entire region from Lebanon to Iran based on this “unforeseen phenomenon”, this parasitic plan goes on full throttle, ripping the guts out of millions of innocent people’s lives for the Machiavellian desires of a few. All while they hoodwink the masses into a completely backwards interpretation of their devious sorcery. These “elite” few are fueled by something besides their psychopathy – it’s an occult allegiance to powerful symbolic entities, whether they are all fully conscious of their allegiances to these powers or not. Such is the case of most of manipulated humanity.

Isis and the Illuminati

It’s important to know that almost every portrayal of a feminine goddess, a specialty of Freemasonic art, literature and architecture, hails back to Isis, no matter whether it’s called “The Statue of Liberty”, “Blind Justice”, “Mother Mary”, “Columbia” or some other “Queen of Heaven” or whatever label they want to give her. They’re almost all the same entity. Isis in turn goes back to Sumer and the goddess Semiramis, or Ishtar, an embodiment of this same esoteric deity. She was/is considered the goddess of enchantment and magic. Married to her brother Osiris, the two of whom then gave birth to the infamous Horus, all major characters in the play, she wandered looking for the dismembered penis of her former husband “wailing and moaning like the wind”. Hence the world “crown capitals” of Washington DC, the City of London and the Vatican all boasting phallic obelisks in this memory, as well as many other major financial and political energy centers. The true worldly “powers that be” are beholden to other “Powers that Be” that are not so worldly. This may need more research and validation on your part but for me and many other researchers it is very evident. When this becomes apparent, reading into the symbols and embedded images and language of our carefully created culture becomes a much easier and even every day task. At that point it may become a bit overwhelming but don’t let it be, it’s been there all the time, we just didn’t see it. The Illuminati is actually a rather flimsy label considering all we know about the workings of these dark occult driven psychopaths. Their derivation is not as important as their current effects on humanity, but understanding their roots gives light to their intentions. That being said, here’s a quote on their roots, tying them into Isis worship and obeisance.

"Popular history texts and encyclopedias generally paint the Illuminati as having its origins in 1776 Bavaria. However, the origins go back much further. The Illuminati are tied directly through masonry to the sun and Isis cults of ancient Egypt. Killing was a mystical experience to this branch of the Mystery Schools. They not only maintained their control by murder and threats of murder, they believed that the assassin could acquire the gnosis, or soul energy from the victim. This is the theory behind the human and animal sacrifices of Satanists throughout history (and the ritual child abuse etc). Satanists believe that sacrifices release more of it than anything else. Such are the dark and sordid machinations of the deluded souls who think their gnosis accumulations and illumination will give them some form of deity or immortality. . .

Everything has meaning folks. You just have to go beyond the surface.

Now a wise person won’t necessarily go for all of this

There’s just enough to do a hell of a trick

And it aint even trick or treat or Halloween yet!

Indeed. Yes. I used to read loads of stuff on this ISIS and Osiris, Horus, Hiram , Egypt, Rosalyn chapel (sp?), Orion star belt, etc being connected to TBTB , long before I came on ATS. IT came about when I needed to research the Rosicrucian cult, which I feel has strong ties to this. Going back thousands of years to ancient Sumerian or Babylonian, Phoenician times. The knights Templar being another connection. Ishtar came up as another name for ashtar or Asorah aka the devil. You can even toss in the UFO abduction phenom into this as well. Another grand deception.

The biggest thing that we in the west need to get into our heads about Islam is that it is not just a religion. It is a state clothed in religion. Here in Blighty a mosque is not just a place of worship to a Muslim, it's a law court, a bank, and an embassy of the Islamic state. And it's no different in any mosque anywhere else in the world.

Strange how in these past few days this little "rag tag" off shoot of Al Qaeda have gone from being nothing to being a major global threat.We have various regimes in the region who have funded them not to mention the weapons that shall we say were accidentally sold to them? The MSM are getting hysterical about them.

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: Rycas

I would like you to be wrong about that, but having studied some of it also, it appears it might be the case.

Their global jihad needs a Mahdi and the global picture if they did and took Israel isn't pretty.

Hate to burst your bubble, but the Christian-Zionist dispensationalist class in charge of at least Canada and the USA has been pushing for the end-times scenario as well, which includes the anti-Christ.

Also, here's a new article by RT showing detailed reports made by ISIS, which are designed for attracting investment.

Well at least my government is on the ball they are looking at all people in the area that are Australian citizens and any Australian citizen that wants to go there if they are involved with ISIS or similar terrorist group will have their passport cancelled and face up to 25 years in prison.

originally posted by: mike dangerously
Strange how in these past few days this little "rag tag" off shoot of Al Qaeda have gone from being nothing to being a major global threat.We have various regimes in the region who have funded them not to mention the weapons that shall we say were accidentally sold to them? The MSM are getting hysterical about them.

Nothing has happened "in the last few days" - ISIS have been around for a long time (they were originally Al Qaeda in Iraq) and this Iraq thing has been building for months, ISIS took Fallujah and Rammadi earlier this year (January) and have been fighting in Syria for 2 years.

All it proves by making statements such as the one above is that you don't have a clue and haven't been following any events in the region at all.

a reply to: Vovin

Stating something about jihadi's needing a Mahdi isn't any sort of 'bubble''.

Christianity/ Zionism wasn't part of the conversation.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: DarknStormy


Khorasan is ancient Iran not Iraq.

Khorasan is ancient Iran and Afghanistan.

a reply to: Rycas

The Mahdi is not the man of lawlessness if that's what your implying.. As you should know, Islamic eschatology also speaks about an Antichrist and it doesn't refer to Mahdi as that entity. The Mahdi will wage war against the Antichrist prior to the arrival of Isa/Jesus.

The Extremists cannot have the Mahdi amongst them according to Islamic teachings. If the Extremists were the Mahdi army, they wouldn't be concerned with Iraq and Syria, they would of been marching to Jerusalem long ago. You are right about the Caliph and Jerusalem..

BTW, I have studied Islamic Eschatology for roughly 6-7 years. It is one of the most intriguing subjects I have ever come across.

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: Vovin

Stating something about jihadi's needing a Mahdi isn't any sort of 'bubble''.

Christianity/ Zionism wasn't part of the conversation.

Well I don't know why it's not part of the conversation when Christian-Zionists are running a similar crusade with the same outcome in mind.

And it's not really a conspiracy either, there really are dispensationalists in top levels of my government (Canada) and the USA. Dispensationalism is basically a combination of belief in Christian-Zionist end times mythology, and to dispensationalist politicians this means pushing aggressive and destructive policies because they think they can actually initiate these end times scenarios through human intervention.

John McCain is a great example. One year he is in Syria, smiling and shaking hands with ISIL commanders, then now he is calling for American-led assault on ISIL in Iraq. Obviously he is trying to create something prophetic out of the Middle East. Religious idols are typically martyred, so to martyr them you must first turn them into heroes.

Essentially I am saying that the Islamists, in their prophetic crusade, are definitely not the only radical religious group trying to achieve the same end result. Israel is trying to find the Temple of Solomon and the Americans destroyed ancient sites and relics and encouraged the assassination of the intelligentsia in Iraq to allow the Sunni takeover of Sumerian culture there.