Japanese stealth fighter?

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posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 11:20 AM
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Originally seen on The Aviationist, now seen also at other sites, is a picture of what might be the Mitsubishi ATD-X. It's supposedly from the "Chinese Internet", which has become the catch all for pictures of unusual platforms.

Japan is revisiting their choice to buy the F-35A, and this might be a way to ensure that they have a stealth force. On the other hand, if it's in the F-22 class, it ensures that they have escorts for their F-35s.

Interestingly, it appears in the picture (whatever it actually is), that it has a mechanically scanned radar under the nose, instead of an AESA system. If it is the ATD-X, that means they may be on schedule to fly later this year, as planned.



Mitsubishi ATD-X model


The following image, which is sourced from David Cenciotti of The Aviationist (in turn claimed to be from "Chinese Internet," the catchall usual suspects of anonymous aero-defense news) purports to be a manned flying prototype of the Mitsubishi ATD-X, a stealth demonstrator leading the way for Japan's effort to build its own F-22 or F-35-like Stealth Fighter.

oppositelock.jalopnik.com...


An image appeared on some Chinese forums, may show the first prototype of the Advanced Technology Demonstrator-X (ATD-X), a fighter plane destined to replace Japan Air Self-Defense Force‘s Mitsubishi F-2 in the air defense role.

The aircraft, developed by the Japanese Ministry of Defense Technical Research and Development Institute (TRDI) for research purposes and unofficially known in Japan as Shinshin (meaning “spirit of the heart”, actually an early codename within the Japan Self Defense Force) is expected to fly for the first time within the end of this year.

theaviationist.com...




posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 11:32 AM
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Were they not talking about developing their own a couple of years ago, when they were trying to get the F-22's?



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 11:37 AM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Japan just had this big government policy change to allow arms exports.
A lot of that came about due to the huge demand of Armored Vehicles.
Something Mitsubishi Heavy Industries has a keen interest in.

I was just reading a bit on this weekends Eurosatory Exhibitors Preview New Armored Vehicle, UAV

at the very end of the article they talk briefly about how
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Japanese firms are making their first appearance at the show, following a switch in government policy to allow arms exports. Products promoted include Toshiba radar technology, while Kawasaki Heavy Industries is offering motorbikes, off road vehicles, and small aerial targets


likely the reason for the roll out of this new plane?



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 11:43 AM
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a reply to: HardCorps

That's another thing that's been mentioned. They may be hoping to market it as a cheaper F-35 competitor.



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 11:44 AM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Size wise it seams that it would be more F35 size or smaller. It looks like it is pretty small to be a air superiority fighter in the same class as the F22.



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 11:44 AM
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a reply to: solidshot

They've been talking about it for several years now, so it's about time for it to come out.



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 11:45 AM
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a reply to: Sammamishman

It does, but with this being a demonstrator there is still room for changes, like a higher MTOW, etc. We may see it grow as they test it.



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 11:48 AM
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wow!...a model airplane!...with tech that's been around for decades here in the US!...I'm almost interested



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 11:59 AM
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a reply to: jimmyx

And now we have an ally well on the way to being able to defend itself with less US aid required, as well as being able to survive longer if attacked until our forces cab get there.

This is so much more than your snide comment makes it out to be.



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 12:10 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Heck, if it turns out to be a great little airplane maybe we'll buy some. Would make a good 5th gen. adversary jet.



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 12:48 PM
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If the Mitsubishi ATD-X doesn't put on weight here is an interesting comparison of the known 5th gen fighters next to it (sorry it's in Russian):




posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 01:23 PM
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a reply to: Sammamishman

That chart is cool, I often come to the aircraft forum, and wish that pics were posted not just links

So thanks for that

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posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 01:34 PM
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It's kind of nice seeing the Japanese rise again in air power....

However I was thinking it might look something like;


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posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 01:53 PM
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You do not need big to be deadly. And jimmyx when last did the usa actually fought a real enemy with real weapons. Your army could not even won a war against farmers with ww2 guns



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 01:53 PM
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a reply to: imitator

I'm sure it will have a robot mode, we just haven't seen it yet.



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 02:31 PM
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The ATD-X


Spy shot from a day ago-


Others that I am interested in-
AMCA India-



TFX-

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posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 02:37 PM
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Wow that Cheng Du has GREAT numbers! With older engines that is amazing.



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 05:42 PM
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Yes yes it is all well and good to have a stealth fighter that has a radar signature of a small bird but when a radar picks up a small bird flying at 700mph surely somebody will get suspicious. As well as being able to know it is an enemy jet you will know specifically it is an ATD-X.

more and more radars are being focused into the job of finding small fast moving objects like incoming missiles etc with Sampson and Aegis and the target acquisition for the new laser weapons, how different would the ATD-X appear to a new system. Surely the goal of stealth now is to have a completely radar invisible aircraft rather than one with any cross section at all?

If you can't completely hide an aircraft to radar (assuming radar advances to protect against stealth aircraft) maybe maneuverability and missile technology will become more important in the long run?



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 05:43 PM
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a reply to: DodgyDawg

But even the signature of a small bird isn't going to show up at 50+ miles. Even with a signature you're going to get a lot closer than an F-2, or an F-15 will, which is the key.



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 05:45 PM
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a reply to: imitator

Tell me about it! I keep waiting for my own personal Gundam...





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