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Creationism Will be the End of Cristianity.

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posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 11:32 AM
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originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: JohnFisher

The crusades and witch trials were the faith streaching there muscles, not being debunked then taken over by yahoos. 2 completely different issues.


Communism was atheism stretching hers, then on to killing the old and infirm, not to mention unborn children and those who have mental illnes

Eugenics they call it, survival of the fittest.

Same issue.




posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 11:35 AM
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Creationism has little to do with the philosophy of Christianity. The people who do not want to believe in god think it is important and some Christians are forced to go to defense mode but in reality the writings of Jesus are good. Sure, the Non-believer does pick on this little descrepancy but who cares, it is not supposed to be what Christianity is based off of. The world that we know was created by some consciousness that was actually created by life itself. We are a part of that. If Christianity is destroyed by Creationism, then they are playing into the hand of deceit. I do not know what god is, I do sense a consciousness out there that is very powerful. We argue over trivial things and are not looking at the big picture, chaos loves that.

Most religions get corrupted by accentuating the difference, so actually this means atheism is a full blooded religion because it's members share common beliefs. Belief is what god is all about, different collective consciousnesses.



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 11:36 AM
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originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: borntowatch

The lack of belief hasn't caused our problems... It's fixing them. All the problems you can name were worse pre science. Pre loss of faith.

Slavery, child molestation ( remember we married 13 year olds to men past there 20's in churches) war, rape, theft all were far worse in almost any century then now.


Obviously these issues came after Christianity reached Europe and the West, oh wait, they were issues before Christianity as well.

Prior to Christianity the world was uneducated, it was the Protestant Christian reformers who brought on mass education for the average individual, not atheism or science.

Christianity cant change everyone
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posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 12:13 PM
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originally posted by: borntowatch

originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: JohnFisher

The crusades and witch trials were the faith streaching there muscles, not being debunked then taken over by yahoos. 2 completely different issues.


Communism was atheism stretching hers, then on to killing the old and infirm, not to mention unborn children and those who have mental illnes

Eugenics they call it, survival of the fittest.

Same issue.


Survival of the fittest only becomes a problem when you're not the fittest. And if Christians were at the top of the food chain, I'm pretty sure they'd be sorely tempted to quash paganism and wicca and Buddhism and atheism and any other form of spirituality that didn't subscribe to the One God of Abraham. If Christians were the dominant governing entity in this nation, I'm not sure they'd be so different from the way radical Islam runs things.
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posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 12:22 PM
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Christianity's Rapid Growth in China Despite Persecution
www.christianpost.com...

China on course to become 'world's most Christian nation' within 15 years
The number of Christians in Communist China is growing so steadily that it by 2030 it could have more churchgoers than America

www.telegraph.co.uk...



Officially, the People's Republic of China is an atheist country but that is changing fast as many of its 1.3 billion citizens seek meaning and spiritual comfort that neither communism nor capitalism seem to have supplied.




By 2030, China's total Christian population, including Catholics, would exceed 247 million, placing it above Mexico, Brazil and the United States as the largest Christian congregation in the world, he predicted.

"Mao thought he could eliminate religion. He thought he had accomplished this," Prof Yang said. "It's ironic – they didn't. They actually failed completely."


www.telegraph.co.uk...



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 12:27 PM
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a reply to: ArtemisE


Creationism will be easier to eradicate than an entrenched religion. I have no doubt that the questions regarding abiogenesis will be answered by science.

Science could explain all the unknowns in the universe but there will always be people who can't handle reality and are overwhelmed by the beauty and cruelness of the natural world.

As long as people fail to realise (or downright ignore the fact) that they are only on this planet to act as a vehicle for their genes then religion, including christianity, is quite safe.

It's mental really!



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 12:28 PM
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originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: JohnFisher

The crusades and witch trials were the faith streaching there muscles, not being debunked then taken over by yahoos. 2 completely different issues.


the witch trials had nothing to do with faith stretching muscles, ??

It had nothing to do with faith, but superstition, and it was Christians suspecting other Christians of witchcraft.



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 12:35 PM
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originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: Dark Ghost

All evil needs to win is the inaction of good men. :p

edmundburkeblog.blogspot.com...

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

“But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.

“If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. But love your enemies, do good to them,
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posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 12:37 PM
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Friedrich Nietzsche killed god over 100 years ago... Yet, here we are. Talking in circles still.

"God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?"



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 12:39 PM
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a reply to: CloudsTasteMetallic

Don't be surprised if HE feels the same about Mr. Nietzsche




posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 12:46 PM
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a reply to: Akragon

Here's an analysis of the quote i posted.

"Nietzsche’s works express a fear that the decline of religion, the rise of atheism, and the absence of a higher moral authority would plunge the world into chaos. The western world had depended on the rule of God for thousands of years — it gave order to society and meaning to life. Without it, Nietzsche writes, society will move into an age of nihilism. Although Nietzsche may have been considered a nihilist by definition, he was critical of it and warned that accepting nihilism would be dangerous."

I tend to agree with this sentiment. Science, as much as it can love to convince us otherwise, does not have all the answers.
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posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 12:54 PM
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a reply to: CloudsTasteMetallic

Religion has no answers. I mean, how can anyone look for moral guidance in a book that condones the killing of disobedient children?



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: borntowatch

Prior to Christianity the world was uneducated, it was the Protestant Christian reformers who brought on mass education for the average individual, not atheism or science.


Well,,,, Certainly the large congregation of Roman Catholics will disagree with your first sentence here. And certainly the education helped along by the Protestant reformers is important but leaving science out of this equation leaves the larger picture hindered. Very important in the mass education thing was the impact that science had on at least one aspect of that reformation. The printing press was scientifically developed and it brought the Bible into everyday usage rather than just being in the hands of the clergy.



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 01:01 PM
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originally posted by: borntowatch

originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: borntowatch

The lack of belief hasn't caused our problems... It's fixing them. All the problems you can name were worse pre science. Pre loss of faith.

Slavery, child molestation ( remember we married 13 year olds to men past there 20's in churches) war, rape, theft all were far worse in almost any century then now.


Obviously these issues came after Christianity reached Europe and the West, oh wait, they were issues before Christianity as well.

Prior to Christianity the world was uneducated, it was the Protestant Christian reformers who brought on mass education for the average individual, not atheism or science.

Christianity cant change everyone



But my point is. As science and technology has advanced. These things have steadily declined. Things are not getting worse. There getting better.


I'm not saying Christianity invented evil. Just that the drop in world wide believers per population hasn't made the world a worse place. It's better. Christianity hasn't fixed any problems, but science has.



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 01:07 PM
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Or science could continue to prove creationism like finding under earth oceans. One of the arguments against the great flood has been where did all the water come from and where did it go.

Now they have a explanation for that, although that will be ignored or debunked by their logical thinking. If you look for god you will see his hand in every aspect of creation, if you choose to believe that everything is a random chance, well I guess that's easy enough too. People see what they want to see always have always will.



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 01:10 PM
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originally posted by: AfterInfinity

originally posted by: borntowatch

originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: JohnFisher

The crusades and witch trials were the faith streaching there muscles, not being debunked then taken over by yahoos. 2 completely different issues.


Communism was atheism stretching hers, then on to killing the old and infirm, not to mention unborn children and those who have mental illnes

Eugenics they call it, survival of the fittest.

Same issue.


Survival of the fittest only becomes a problem when you're not the fittest. And if Christians were at the top of the food chain, I'm pretty sure they'd be sorely tempted to quash paganism and wicca and Buddhism and atheism and any other form of spirituality that didn't subscribe to the One God of Abraham. If Christians were the dominant governing entity in this nation, I'm not sure they'd be so different from the way radical Islam runs things.


Or if your kids not the fittest. If the some of the strong didn't care about the weak we would really have crazyness



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 01:13 PM
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originally posted by: canthinkerous
Or science could continue to prove creationism like finding under earth oceans. One of the arguments against the great flood has been where did all the water come from and where did it go.

Now they have a explanation for that, although that will be ignored or debunked by their logical thinking. If you look for god you will see his hand in every aspect of creation, if you choose to believe that everything is a random chance, well I guess that's easy enough too. People see what they want to see always have always will.



Lol you been reading before it's news again huh? Even that's not enough to cover the mountain tops.. Nor is it that kind of ocean. It's rock with a high water content. Not an underwater cavern. Keep shovin that square peg in a round hole....



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: Stormdancer777

Interesting development. However, my understanding of China is this. Though many call China a communist country, and indeed has a history of being considered so, it really is not. It is a capitalist country that is run like any authoritarian business from the top down. It is like the Russian revolution which was usurped by totalitarianism under a guise of communist ideology.

Totalitarians will use what ever credo effectively sweeps up the masses of people to keep the system running. If as you point out, Christianity is sweeping through China, it is only because it is being allowed to by the authoritarians. Mass forms of Christianity are just as acceptable to the bosses as any other top down belief system. Look at Constantine. Opps says he, the old Roman gods are no longer a binding force in this society so lets switch to another binding force, just to keep this whole thing running. Let's become the Holy Roman Empire.

Interesting that Christianity is catching on in China while Buddhism is subjugated. Though Buddhism has amounts of authoritarianism it pales to the history of authoritatively controlled Christians.

So as a tool of control, I see the Chinese government as saying "Communism" failing belief system, forget it. Buddhist philosophy, to uncontrollable. Christianity? Yeah, if it makes the peons happy, we can work with it.



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 01:24 PM
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originally posted by: canthinkerous
Or science could continue to prove creationism like finding under earth oceans. One of the arguments against the great flood has been where did all the water come from and where did it go.

Now they have a explanation for that, although that will be ignored or debunked by their logical thinking. If you look for god you will see his hand in every aspect of creation, if you choose to believe that everything is a random chance, well I guess that's easy enough too. People see what they want to see always have always will.


You're reaching. Even with all the new water they've found, there's still not even close to the amount needed for a global flood. Let alone the lack of evidence of any kind for a global flood.

But let's not let logic get in the way of motivated reasoning.



posted on Jun, 16 2014 @ 01:30 PM
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Great thread. I think this is true. There is nothing wrong with saying that God Created the World or that he caused the big bang or was the spark of evolution or whatever you want to say. I repeat, nothing wrong with saying that there is God or that God created everything. I do believe in God.

The problem is the anti science stance and the literal take on Genesis. The original Adam and Eve.

The 2nd problem is as you mentioned. You have to take a stand against these wackos in your religion otherwise, your saying nothing is the same as giving them legitimacy. You can't be taken seriously when you accept wackos into your fold and say nothing against them. Same as keeping all the hateful stuff int he bible. Why would you do that?

It looks absurd when Christian's rail against Cosmos and evolution and global warming and ...well science, just because it doesn't fit their view of Genesis. Same thing with Christians NOT tearing out the book of leviticus and all the other hateful things in the bible. By keeping this crap in YOUR holy book, you look like retards. You keep it in there and it makes you look foolish.

Enough, I say!
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