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Originally posted by Janus
I still don't believe the Order survived in its Original form long after it dissolution. There must have been a dozen organisations over the Centuries who have claimed direct ascendancy from the Templars. But there is no historically verifiable proof whatsoever that they survived these 700 odd years.
They may call themselves the Knights Templar and uphold the same ideals but that does not mean they are the direct continuation of the original Templars, just a new Order under the same name.
I would love for this story of an unbroken line of Templars to be true, but the sad fact is without historical varifiable fact then the claim of this orginisation to the title Knights Templar is suspect. Perhaps they will demand the return of "their" lands taken by the Church, now that would be interesting.
The point is, the RCC did the original Templars wrong, and no matter who is requesting that it be done, I think they should at least admit that they were wrong. We'll probably be waiting for a long, long time though.
Originally posted by Janus
As has been mentioned there is a precedence for forgiveness after the fact ( not that the Templars did anything wrong in the first place ) But if the Templars are forgiven by the Church then so should the Cathars, who were also cruelly suppressed by the Church in a similar way.
Originally posted by The Axeman
the Knights of Malta have been around ever since the 12th century. They were originally known as the Hospitallers,
I wonder why you are so quick to put down the idea that the Templars as an order may have survived by going underground. I see it as entirely possible and even probable.
I say who's to say they are NOT the original order?
What if the documents and the unbroken line of Grand Masters is real?
Would they bee any less Templars that their Brothers before them because they don't fight bloody wars with Muslims anymore?
originally posted by Ngydan
I thought you had said SMOTJ is the Hospitallers?
Well, in a sense yes. Take Operative Masonry and 'Intellectual' Freemasonry. How many freemasons are trained as actual working architecural stone cutters and building planners? I mean, the Free and Accepted Masons are not a worker's guild anymore. The Knights Templar, if they still exist, aren't Knights and have nothing to do with the Temple anymore either. I agree that they can and probably should use the distinguished old names to remember their roots, but there is some difference between the two.
To hear someone say that the church simply "punished" the order for "refusing to disband" makes my stomach turn.
The best part is that the Templars succeded in getting away with most of their treasure, so Philip never did get his hands on it.
Well there ya go.
As far as I know, the organization isn't faithful to the original (which prohibited contact with ANYTHING female, including birds (no eggs!), horses, etc
Originally posted by chief_counsellor
How can an organization that doesn't exist ask for an apology?