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Nothing could better illustrate the bankruptcy and uselessness of 'Russian ufology' than the 'best cases' trumpeted here by Mr. Stonehill.
First, he shows how all reported facts from detailed investigation are highly uncertain: "On May 29 1984, Trud newspaper published an article where Popovich told the author about a case that took place on March 27, 1983, in Gorky (and investigated by the Commission’s Gorky section). It was an object that flew in the area of the city’s airport. The airport’s radars registered but could not identify the object. The object flew at the altitude of no more than one kilometer, and the speed approximately 180-200 kilometers per hour. The witness (Flight Controller A. Shushkin) who had observed the object said that the object’s size was similar to that of the IL-14 aircraft fuselage. But there were no wings. It was a “cigar”. Its color light gray, steely, and it moved slowly across the sky. The phenomenon lasted around forty minutes. At the distance of 30 to 40 kilometers NE from the airport the radars lost it. Shushkin later corrected Pavel Popovich and said the UFO actually appeared over the city on March 28, 1983; flew at an altitude of 400-600 meters, and disappeared ten seconds after it was sighted."
Then he highlights a supposedly unsolvable story in which even fundamental information such as date, time of day, direction of object motion, shape, location of witnesses, etc., are all conveniently absent: "A more dramatic, episode took place in January of 1978, and Popovich described it to Sotsialisticheskaya Industriya newspaper on August 6, 1984. During the flight of a YAK-40 over the area between two settlements Medvezhye and Nadim, the crew noticed something round; a very bright foreign body that approached rapidly and sometime later appeared straight in front of the aircraft. Every minute the size of this body increased. When the crash appeared to be imminent, the object soared right in front of the aircraft’s nose, not causing any harm." A flight between those two locations -- if Wikipedia identifications are correct -- passes right across the Plesetsk space center range, during a period when a dozen rockets were launched towards the east -- parallel to the airplane's flight path. The critical data needed to nail down an identification is conveniently omitted.
Sneers at 'debunkers' may reflect resentment at the inexorable process of good research with good witness data being again and again indicative that secret space and missile events were behind most of the spectacular UFO reports in the USSR. The point worth making is that the supposedly "top ufologists" were repeatedly incapable of recognizing this and acknowledging this. This is despite the availability, even in pro-UFO publications, over the last THIRTY YEARS OR MORE, of detailed reports proving this:
10/1982 - MUFON UFO Journal: The Great Soviet UFO Coverup
OMNI  www.debunker.com...
Skeptical Inquirer, Jan-Feb 2009 -- Classic Soviet 1984 UFO was Top Secret Sub Missile Launch
originally posted by: JimOberg
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originally posted by: Uggielicious
a reply to: JimOberg
I'm always looking up when I'm outside and I've seen many unusual aerial objects but, aside from my various true UFO sightings, none struck me as much as the "giant" silver/aluminum cigar-shaped object I saw. After I got over my amazement, I rotated my head slightly back 'n' forth and the airplane's wings appeared and disappeared. The reason: I wear Polarized sunglasses and only the airplane's body was reflecting light and the wings' undercarriage did not reflect as much. The height and the angle contributed to this "mystery".
Not saying that this is what happened at Gorky but it is something to consider when others report similar "phenomena".
P.s. I am loving this idea that everyone (ufologists) are now pretending and posting as known ‘skeptic’ Jim Oberg in favour of Ufo cases, this I find as ironic as previously this man somehow has managed to appear in comment sections every hour of the day on many different forums ‘debunking’ Ufology cases.
originally posted by: phantomflier
a reply to: 1ofthe9
It's a shame that there is so little known about the Soviet equivalent to black projects. The only things I remember reading about are the boomerang-shaped nuclear warhead delivery vechile and some claims that the soviets had built some kind of electromagnetic WMD. I also understand they were interested in some kind of plasma stealth technology. If they had put up some working tests I'm pretty sure that it would have been a nice lightshow. Who know what we could find from there?