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The liberal machine runs on emotion. But what is the solution?

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posted on Jun, 14 2014 @ 04:10 PM
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originally posted by: JohnFisher
a reply to: jrod

I agree except that I believe "both sides" are ultimately one side.


I would add that I believe this too, as far as the people running the show. I don't believe the common people are all one side. I believe we have real differences that are not generally caused by the people at the top. They just know those differences are naturally going to be there and so they exploit them by basically scripting reality.

However, the problem is that the vast majority of common people (I believe) have been brought in line with what is generally referred to as liberalism. And that's a big problem if you have libertarian leanings. Add to that the fact that (as we all know) a "conservative" is not a libertarian either. They might be closer in some ways than a liberal but conservatives and libertarians have a lot of differences.
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posted on Jun, 14 2014 @ 04:29 PM
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originally posted by: BrianFlanders

So the question is this. Is there any way to get through to these people? Will we ever come up with a strategy that works against this dirty trick?


Those with their brains off blindly throw around terms without ever defining them.

Once again, I ask How do you define a liberal?

I ask this because I do not understand who you mean by 'these people' and by 'we' I am not clear whose sides your are on, how many sides there are and why I need to pick sides in the first place. Again I ask, why does it have to be a conservative vs liberal thing?

I can not answer your questions until those parameters are made. I was hoping I did not have to spell it out to you.

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posted on Jun, 14 2014 @ 05:14 PM
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originally posted by: jrod

Once again, I ask How do you define a liberal?


And for the first time, I ask how YOU define a liberal?


I ask this because I do not understand who you mean by 'these people' and by 'we' I am not clear whose sides your are on


If you do not understand where I'm coming from, you either didn't read the full post, you didn't comprehend what you read or you're just arguing with me because you don't want to acknowledge what I have said. I have stated several times in this thread that I am a moderate libertarian. As such, I am not all that warm and cozy with either liberals or conservatives. But as I think I have just said within the last couple of hours, I think that generally, conservatives and libertarians are somewhat closer.

I would be the kind of person who simultaneously doesn't have a problem with homosexuality and gun ownership. I will not find many allies on either side but I would venture a guess that most conservatives are more OK with homosexuality than most liberals are with the Second Amendment. Conservatives (in general) just have certain issues with homosexuality. They typically do not want to ban being gay. Liberals, in general, want to ban guns. They will not always come right out and say it but that's what they want and everyone knows it.

These are two big differences but they are only two. If you spend any amount of time on a forum that is dominated by liberals and you are not a liberal, you will get to know the meaning of the term "liberal" well enough that you don't have to ask me what I mean. I only know one conservative who wants to ban guns. I don't know any conservatives who want to ban homosexuality. Not one. They typically don't agree with gay marriage but you don't have to be married in order to be gay. I am bisexual and I don't feel the need to marry anyone. Of course, as a libertarian, I do think it would be better to come up with something like marriage for everyone and take religion out of government. There is where conservatives would probably argue with me. And probably some liberals too.

Anyone who believes there's any such thing as "hate speech" is a liberal in my book. Such people want to institute censorship under the guise of protecting people from ugly words. Anyone whose first answer to any problem is more government is a liberal as far as I'm concerned. Sometimes it might eventually be necessary but it should always be pretty close to a last resort and it should always be limited as much as possible. Forcing people to buy health insurance is a sledgehammer for a thumbtack.

If someone calls me a racist because I don't like Obama, the chances of that person being a liberal are almost 100%. I have never been called a racist by a conservative or a libertarian. I've been called a homophobe by liberals (who didn't know I'm bisexual). Why? Because I admitted that I understand why Christians have issues with gay marriage. I must be a homophobe.

I have been called a conservative because I don't believe guns should be banned or heavily restricted. I think the instant you say the mentally ill don't have Second Amendment rights, you open the door for classifying everyone who wants to buy a firearm as mentally ill.

Well. I guess they got one thing right. I must not be a liberal if I'm not in favor of "gun control" (incremental ban). Sure. There are liberals who believe in gun rights but if you consider yourself to be a liberal and you believe in gun rights, I have an idea for you. Find yourself a place that is dominated by liberals and try arguing with them. I guarantee you they will not treat you like a fellow liberal.

If you disagree with Obamacare, take yourself around to various places and try to argue with people who are for it. They will most likely immediately call you a Republican and tell you to go watch Fox News and leave them alone. Even if you tell them repeatedly you are not a Republican, it will most likely bounce right off of them. They seem to have no problems with polarization when you disagree with them on anything. They don't care where you're coming from. If you don't agree with the individual mandate they will attack you. And I mean they will attack you personally. Not your argument. Well, they will try to argue with you until you get to the point to where it would only be right for them to admit you have a good point. Then they will attack you.


Again I ask, why does it have to be a conservative vs liberal thing?


It doesn't. But people do need to know who their opponents are. We need to be able to identify the people we're arguing with when we see them. I use the term "liberal" because it's the most widely used term. You can call them anything you like. Liberals, progressives, socialists. It's all pretty much the same thing (a point they will all argue with). We could just call them fellow travelers.

Frankly, the only people I ever seem to encounter who want to argue with me over the definition of a liberal are people I would loosely define as liberals. They seem to enjoy being slippery and hard to pin down.
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posted on Jun, 14 2014 @ 05:17 PM
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Very well.

I do think there is an agenda to polarize the US. Some call it divide and conquer.




posted on Jun, 14 2014 @ 05:31 PM
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originally posted by: jrod

originally posted by: BrianFlanders

So the question is this. Is there any way to get through to these people? Will we ever come up with a strategy that works against this dirty trick?


Those with their brains off blindly throw around terms without ever defining them.

Once again, I ask How do you define a liberal?

I ask this because I do not understand who you mean by 'these people' and by 'we' I am not clear whose sides your are on, how many sides there are and why I need to pick sides in the first place. Again I ask, why does it have to be a conservative vs liberal thing?

I can not answer your questions until those parameters are made. I was hoping I did not have to spell it out to you.


A liberal is generally any person that would take away your freedom and want to control others with what is commonly known as political correctness laws.

A liberal is a person that would take liberties with interpreting the U.S. Bill of Rights as a collective right of the state and not an individual right of the people.

A liberal tends to believe they know what is best for everyone else and will impose their will on others.

They are for the most part arrogant elitist power hungry control freaks and narcissistic in their thinking.

If you are a liberal, you would be the last person to know.

They are totally oblivious to feelings of others, but think that they are caring people.

They are clueless!



posted on Jun, 14 2014 @ 05:53 PM
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originally posted by: Skyfloating
80% of the movies put out by Hollywood today are either "right" or "left" propaganda meant to appeal to the emotions.

To appeal to the left, show Matt Damon fight "evil American oil companies" (I forget the movies name but its ironic that it was financed by arabs) or have Michael Douglas appear as an "evil wall street capitalist". Ad a brutally abused black disabled transgender female into the mix and you got your emotional fuel.

To appeal to the right, show a sweaty Bruce Willis fight "evil terrorists" or have Sandra Bullock take in an obese black kid and "civilize" him (forget the name of that movie, but the subtle racism inherent in it was missed by the crowds). For good measure add a few bible quotes and a few more guns. And there MUST be a happy end in which the U.S. is victorious.


Yep. But Those who make movies certainly do not advertise which side a given movie is on. I mean, you would have to watch every movie ever made to see which side has more influence. I personally think the left does. I can hardly remember any movies that didn't eventually have a liberal slant.

It would be interesting if someone could find accurate statistics on how many liberal movies have been made and how many conservative ones.



posted on Jun, 14 2014 @ 09:04 PM
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It is well known that the left headed folks run the movie industry...

Liberals are clinically mad, concludes top psychiatrist Dr. Lyle Rossiter
Eminent doctor makes case leftist ideology is a mental disorder
WND

WASHINGTON – Just when liberals thought it was safe to start identifying themselves as such, an acclaimed, veteran psychiatrist is making the case that the ideology motivating them is actually a mental disorder.

“Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded,” says Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the new book, “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness.” “Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.”

While political activists on the other side of the spectrum have made similar observations, Rossiter boasts professional credentials and a life virtually free of activism and links to “the vast right-wing conspiracy.”

For more than 35 years he has diagnosed and treated more than 1,500 patients as a board-certified clinical psychiatrist and examined more than 2,700 civil and criminal cases as a board-certified forensic psychiatrist. He received his medical and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago.

Rossiter says the kind of liberalism being displayed by both Barack Obama and his Democratic primary opponent Hillary Clinton can only be understood as a psychological disorder.

“A social scientist who understands human nature will not dismiss the vital roles of free choice, voluntary cooperation and moral integrity – as liberals do,” he says. “A political leader who understands human nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive, personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and social equality on the population – as liberals do. And a legislator who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules which over-regulates and over-taxes the nation’s citizens, corrupts their character and reduces them to wards of the state – as liberals do.”

Dr. Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:

* creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
* satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
* augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
* rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government.

“The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind,” he says. “When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious.”



posted on Jun, 15 2014 @ 04:22 AM
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The left don't really need Hollywood fact is the leaders and alot of the rank and file right wingers send out the message that they are mostly mean spirited jerks,things you will not see at a Lib convention, wild cheering in favor of the death penalty, and I am not above using the death penalty in certain air-tight cases but you'll never see this.


How many people looking at this then go..yeah I wanna hangout with those guys,Hollyweird didn't script this,remember Don Yelton?? off-course when folks were screaming voter suppression many even here were saying voter suppression thing was a myth yet this Darwin award winner a precinct chair came right over and said on national TV...Yeah that's what we are doing!! again if you were in your right might mind what would make you want roll with this dude,but forget about your image that really is not the problem the problem is the content of your message.

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posted on Jun, 15 2014 @ 07:59 AM
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a reply to: BrianFlanders

Name one instance of a "liberal agenda" being pushed using any of the things mentioned, for that matter name one "liberal agenda". You can't name a liberal agenda because the term "liberal agenda " is a conservative propoganda machine creation.
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posted on Jun, 15 2014 @ 08:15 AM
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originally posted by: waltwillis

originally posted by: jrod

originally posted by: BrianFlanders

So the question is this. Is there any way to get through to these people? Will we ever come up with a strategy that works against this dirty trick?


Those with their brains off blindly throw around terms without ever defining them.

Once again, I ask How do you define a liberal?

I ask this because I do not understand who you mean by 'these people' and by 'we' I am not clear whose sides your are on, how many sides there are and why I need to pick sides in the first place. Again I ask, why does it have to be a conservative vs liberal thing?

I can not answer your questions until those parameters are made. I was hoping I did not have to spell it out to you.


A liberal is generally any person that would take away your freedom and want to control others with what is commonly known as political correctness laws.

A liberal is a person that would take liberties with interpreting the U.S. Bill of Rights as a collective right of the state and not an individual right of the people.

A liberal tends to believe they know what is best for everyone else and will impose their will on others.

They are for the most part arrogant elitist power hungry control freaks and narcissistic in their thinking.

If you are a liberal, you would be the last person to know.

They are totally oblivious to feelings of others, but think that they are caring people.

They are clueless!


and this is EXACTLY how liberals view conservatives....just change the nomenclature in your rant from "liberal" to "conservative"



posted on Jun, 15 2014 @ 10:34 AM
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a reply to: jimmyx

I'm glad someone else saw this.

Both sides accuse each other of the same thing. Polarization and divide and conquer 101.

Enough of the name calling and the blame game. Most issues are not a conservative vs liberal mud slinging fest, and mud slinging is no way to solve worldly problems.

Do any conservatives protest the 400ppm CO2 count were are responsible for? What about ways to counter this fact



posted on Jun, 15 2014 @ 11:25 AM
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So called conservatives operate mostly on greed. They support the policies
of the super rich in the vain hope that they will some day make it to that class.

Some one said something like anyone who isn't a republican at 21 hasn't a brain. Anyone
who isn't a democrat at 65 hasn't a heart.



posted on Jun, 15 2014 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: UMayBRite!
a reply to: BrianFlanders

So called conservatives operate mostly on greed. They support the policies
of the super rich in the vain hope that they will some day make it to that class.

Some one said something like anyone who isn't a republican at 21 hasn't a brain. Anyone
who isn't a democrat at 65 hasn't a heart.



Just one percent of the U.S. population are millionaires, but 50% of the congress are millionaires.
I do not care about what is in your wallet...I care about what is in your heart!
Has anyone here every gotten a job from a poor man?
We need the folks that can create ideas that lead to jobs and they should be rewarded for their creativity.
The one percent also need us 99% to build their creations.
Why should we be jealous of the one percent?
The extreme left and right in our nation have us back bit each other as a way to further their goals.
Know who the real enemy is and act appropriately.



posted on Jun, 15 2014 @ 12:07 PM
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a reply to: waltwillis

Those of us who study history and economics are aware of the growing gap of wealth and how that historically has lead to bad things. Why do the working class pay 30% plus in taxes, while the elite often pay less than 15%?

We are not jealous of the rich. We are tired of being squeezed for every penny we make, while the fat cats keep getting fatter. I am not motivated to work for peanuts that are taxed heavily to make someone else rich that refuses to share the burden.

Do you know what the tax rate what for the elite when this country had it's largest economic boom?



posted on Jun, 15 2014 @ 03:24 PM
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originally posted by: fripw
a reply to: BrianFlanders

Name one instance of a "liberal agenda" being pushed using any of the things mentioned, for that matter name one "liberal agenda". You can't name a liberal agenda because the term "liberal agenda " is a conservative propoganda machine creation.


Take your pick. Everything liberals do follows this pattern....

"Make them cry and then make them beg us to do something about it"

It's really just another way to say - Problem > Reaction > Solution

Examples have already been given. Try Sandy Hook on for size. If that doesn't fit, try and recall Obama's fake tears. I guess you conveniently forgot that? I could give many examples if I was in the mood to waste more time talking to a wall. Again, that wasn't what this thread was for. I don't care if you believe it happens or not. I'm talking mostly to the people who know it does. The purpose of this thread was to discuss countermeasures to this tactic. Not to debate whether it happens. It does. On both sides.

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posted on Jun, 15 2014 @ 03:27 PM
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a reply to: UMayBRite!

The saying goes like this:
If you are not a Democrat by the time you are 20 then there is something wrong with your heart;
If you are still a Democrat by 30 there is something wrong with your head.

Now, this just reinforces the spaghetti like
tangle of thoughts and ideas that must exist
inside the brain of a liberal.
They butcher even the simplest of sayings.



posted on Jun, 15 2014 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: jrod

Can anybody do anything about the 400 ppm CO2 reading?

This is a Chicken Little story all over again.



posted on Jun, 15 2014 @ 03:32 PM
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a reply to: spirited75

Yes we can do something about it, it is not a chicken little argument. Do not even go there.

Do you agree with the scientists who blame the rising CO2 on human activity?

btw that quote goes like this:



“Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.”


Some credit Churchill, i don't know who said it.
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posted on Jun, 15 2014 @ 03:44 PM
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originally posted by: waltwillis

“The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind,” he says. “When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious.”


This is a decent post but it's worth pointing out that the victims liberals use in their sad stories are usually real. Which is the problem. Even if the victim is a fabrication created for a movie script, the characters are usually based upon people who are real enough. This is what makes this tactic so effective. Ted Bundy, for example, reportedly feigned disability or injury in order to lure his victims. He wasn't as helpless as he appeared to be but there are people who have those problems. He used a real problem to lure unsuspecting victims into his trap.

Villains are often real too but what politicians and propagandists do is they take the worst examples of individual villains (Lone gunmen, for example) and smear entire groups of people with their villainy. Everyone who supports gun rights is conflated with the deeds done by lone gunmen because gun rights will occasionally enable criminals.

This is the problem. The props they use are not imaginary. Or at least whatever they're based upon is usually not.
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posted on Jun, 15 2014 @ 03:48 PM
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So what about Iraq, WMDs, and the Iraqi army taking babies out of incubators...all fiction but good getting an emotional response.

All were emotional stories by the far right to get the war drums beating.....



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