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originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Semicollegiate
Both self proclaimed liberals and conservatives suffer from ignorance. Currently the liberal side refuses to hear about the IRS missing email scandal because the right is pushing the issue. Maybe not so much on this forum, on other forums it is apparent that the left so far is just brushing this scandal off as a witch hunt by the 'wacky' right.
I have lived off the grid on sailboats with solar power for about 3 years. My footprint is smaller than most.
We can change our path, especially in regards to the CO2 problems.
The Earth is becoming less habitable as a result of the growth of our civilization. We are clever species, we can do better.
To put the blinders on and pretend everything will be okay and no action needs to be taken is no way to live.
originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: waltwillis
It seems like the law forces those with land to be part of the grid. I have friends who instal solar on houses in Florida, FPL and friends makes it difficult to be able to sell the excess power back to the grid. All over the globe there are taxes being levied on rainfall and restrictions on collecting water for personal use.
That is an agenda...not sure if I would call it liberal.
originally posted by: EC666
What a horrible thread.
Conservative = conserving the status quo
Liberal = liberate people
Everything from civil rights, women's rights, fighting against wars, racism, sexism, slavery, child exploitation and fighting for shorter work hours and worker rights WAS FOUGHT FOR BY LIBERALS. All the major revolutions opposing monarchs, dictators and imperialists was done by liberals. Feudalism was ended by liberals, as well as slavery, theocracy, and monarchy. And capitalism will be next. That's what liberalism is; fighting for the 99 percent.
And do not mistake "American liberalism" for "liberalism". The left wingers or democrats in the US are sponsered by the same banks and mega-corporations as the right wingers and Republicans. There is no liberal movement in the US or anywhere in the world with any power at all.
Obama is not liberal.
Democrats are not liberal.
Only 90 years of American brainwashing has dimwits beliving this.
All political parties are right wing, pro capialist, big business parties.
The fact that the US does nothing but pervert words (neo-liberalism, libterarian etc all euphenisms for big business, deregulatory capitalism) only confuses the dimwits further.
originally posted by: Chiftel
I dunno how you've come to call progressive liberals.
Liberalism is pro private property, pro money, pro right of inheritance, pro money, pro capitalism, pro wealthied interests.