FATIMA Connected Prophecies .................... and other Fatima based observations.

originally posted by: Phantomfire707
There was no big move by Medvedev during the submission of the budget, my "prophecy" failed. You may reject me as you please.

I have begun to offer major and repeated acts of repentance for that failure

Your best act of repentance would be stop making up and posting crap.

just a quick question:

if you want to interpret prophecy, why not use the prophecies of daniel, ezekiel and revelation, to clarify, adjust, highlight, or illuminate, said prophecies? doesn't make sense to leave them out of your deliberations, as they are the original prophecies. for example, what about the prophecy regarding the woman clothed with the sun, with the moon at her feet (obviously mary, metaphorically symbolized as the constellation virgo who is pregnant with the sun (sun is rising midcenter of virgo, at either a solstice of equinox, i forget which) and as such, determines the timeframe of the event(mary pregnant with jesus) - standing on the white throne (the moon), and symbolized on earth as the great pyramid, who's white outercasing stones, have since been scavenged and used to build mosques in cairo).

ever wonder why mary would have dominion over egypt during the life of jesus? doesn't make sense does it? that's okay, some of the clues are missing. who is the alpha and the omega? what do the symbols look like? have you ever seen anything like them? if you've seen the greek alphabet and know ancient egyptian royal accessories, then yes, you've seen them before.

anybody care to guess who mary represents in the prophecy? by the way, this prophecy is a signpost, a marker on the timeline. it is not a future event, but a past event. the past however, is a necessary spot to start from when following a timeline. but it is using THE SKY, to set the timeline, not historical events on earth. once you find the event in the sky, then you can match its event on the earth in historical or futuristic context.

Given all controversies about the allegedly written down in 1941 and release of secrets 1,2, together with all the reasons I gave in other Fatima threads of this forum, I cannot with good conscience accept the text of "secret 2" as authentic words of Our Lady. The precedent of 3 secret saga cast doubt on the 2nd too (please read my previous posts).

Europe in 1941 was Europe dominated by Hitler's Germany. At that precise time, not 1 or 2 years earlier, someone in the Vatican decided to post a text from OL that accuses not Hitler but Russia as evil N1 in the world. Hitler was unstoppable in the first months of the war against USSR. Perhaps many in the West, including in Rome, would be more delighted to see a fast crush of USSR similar to that of France. There are rumors on internet* that Hitler might have wanted some truce with British empire. For example, it is now a matter of fact Hitler ordered a full stop of his advancing armies in France in 1940 to allow the British troops to board the ships in Dunkirk. Anyway, that gesture didn't win the British benevolence AT THAT TIME. How about if Hitler was more successful on the East?

In such a dramatic and decisive historic moment, it is more than "devotion" or "political choice" for a highly conservative Vatican to release to the wider world a heavenly message pointing at one of the sides as the culprit. Even if there is a dose of truth in it, why then the withdrawal of the 3rd part?

The 1984 consecration of Russia by John Paul 2 should have brought the era of peace, IF such has been requested by heaven. Apparently, it was not. Something else is inside those pages written by Lucia-1 the real Lucia. We are little bit more clever than 5th grade dummies. It transpires from everywhere that we are cheated grossly: the entire saga of the 3rd secret, Neues Europa text, or the fact the secrets were never announced to public in the period 1917-1941 (neither to the crowd during the sun miracle Oct 13 1917, they were given to the seers on July 13, 1917) . I don't know if even the popes, holy men, were given the real words. Otherwise they would not spend decades for repeated failures in consecrations that never achieved their announced goal. Perhaps the goal and the requests are not that? Soon we will know anyway. But then no excuses will be accepted anymore.

* I mean a documentary video that I cannot give link right now. There the archives clearly showed Hitler's advancing general ...was repeatedly ordered to slow down and finally to stop just before the approaches of Dunkirk. Then Hitler had unusual speech praising the British empire. Therefore "the rumor" the unverified part whether Hitler hoped for British benevolence to leave him alone in Europe. In anyway, that episode was as short as to allow evacuation. Followed the fierce German attack that however didn't stop the majority of British troops to board the ships. I know there are people who will say otherwise. If I find the link I will post it. The question is not so much so if Hitler wanted to play together with the British or cheated them as he did with Stalin (Ribbentrop-Molotov pact of 10year peace). The question is where did the Vatican stand at that precise period of history. And how that reflected into said/unsaid/half-said words allegedly coming from Our Lady in Fatima. Now, nearly 100 years later we have even bigger problems with all nuclear powers etc. It is not a choice of 10 men in red, it is a choice that should be given to every single person on that planet. As Our Lady requested the secrets to be released by year 1960. We have the right to choose and we have the right to know the truth revealed by God. The rest of the story is a story of big lies, among the biggest in 20-21 century. You can't have era of peace because you don't have a word pronounced by pope, because Russia was not consecrated and therefore not converted (truly) to God, and therefore she will spread her errors to the entire planet, including today's "democratic states"? Do you believe that? And if it is true, why it isn't done by now? I don't believe that is the true story. At best, that is a very tiny part of the truth that Heaven already released but humans concealed.

a reply to: 2012newstart

hi. i suppose your response is directed to the op?

Yes it is. Here I try to address yours.

originally posted by: undo
just a quick question:

if you want to interpret prophecy, why not use the prophecies of daniel, ezekiel and revelation, to clarify, adjust, highlight, or illuminate, said prophecies? doesn't make sense to leave them out of your deliberations, as they are the original prophecies. for example, what about the prophecy regarding the woman clothed with the sun,

I did so in many other threads. Ezekiel 1 and Elijah's chariots, Daniel, and Revelation. Particularly for Revelation 12 I have a special thread, pls click on my profile. For me, this cannot be a past event, this is a future event. What sense of retelling history. And, Mary never fled away ALONE in the desert, she fled to Egypt TOGETHER with baby Jesus. The baby in the Revelation 12, (a text written some 90-100 years later, at best!) cannot be the literal image of Jesus who grew up on Earth to 33 y of age. All symbolical interpretations, and there are many written throughout centuries, set aside the problem that we have to see prophecy fulfilled in order to believe. The preterism is not my favorite approach. It is anti-prophetic so to speak because denies the prophecy its essence - to see the future. As of today, we haven't seen any "war in heaven" unfolding before our eyes. I can continue, but it goes out of the current topic of OP. And I alreay discussed it in other threads.

The purpose for me to spend time for these several more posts within OP's main topic, is the intense situation around Ukraine-Russia, on one hand, and the incorrect, false understanding of Fatima prophecy on the other. Since I talked much about the second one, let me say some words now of the first one.

The Ukrainian army already used nuclear capable missile Tochka (one of the the new generation successors of those old missiles that threatened US existence during the Cuban crisis). Tochka destroyed only a chemical plant in Donetsk with conventional load.

What if at least one or more nukes have been preserved secretly by someone in Ukraine (not necessarily government) at the time of Ukraine break up from the Soviet Union and changing its status to non-nuclear country? What if, on the other side, the Donbass rebels somehow get a nuclear device, let say found in some old bunker of Soviet time? Do you think it is impossible one or both sides in that civil conflict to get nuclear? There were already threats from some activists on the streets. We have the chance for a first time in history of a nuclear civil war right in the European continent and within the former Soviet borders. Do you think any such occurrence will pass by unsanctioned by Russia and the other powers? I bet it will start WW3 rather soon. Perhaps only days after. Perhaps someone even want it and hope for such occurrence. Chemical charges (with chlorine) have already been used there.

That is something up-to-date, on the table, and matters more than the endless interpretation what John saw that varies greatly, depending also on the political side the preacher stands on. So let those in vests tell us clearly what OL told the children AND THE WORLD in 1917. Or we understand it as we could, right from the battlefield facts. Remember there are no isolated islands on planet earth anymore. It matters for Rome, Paris and Washington equally or even more than it matters for Donetsk and Moscow. If we try to imagine the possibility of a post-WW3 world, I could imagine survival of Russians in remote Siberian bunkers. I cannot imagine survival of the Western civilization the way we know it. It will be its end, even if Russia is destroyed in the process too. Perhaps Malachi comes into the scene too.

I don't know how that fits into the book of Revelation, and in anyway I wouldn't start such discussion here. We never know how soon is soon and whether Jesus comes tomorrow in case of nuclear war, or doesn't come and let the people kill each other, as in WW1, WW2 and, also Noah's flood. We just don't know.

a reply to: 2012newstart

alrighty. i don't think the "carried away on the wings of an eagle," reference, is talking about what you think it's talking about, so naturally, that would require a debate and take the topic off course. i just made an observation about references to mary in prophecy, might be a good place to start when trying to interpret things like modern prophecies.

a reply to: undo

did I say that here or in another place? I just don't remember sorry. Perhaps there the entire discussion was about that.

Here, I'd say (may be again) that we cannot be sure whether we are at that moment of prophetic timeline (the woman) or we are simply not there. The end times are awaited for nearly 2000 years and actually awaited from longer by the Jews, and still they do not come. What if today's world crisis is just a brief period in history smaller than the rising of Caliphate perceived as the beast at that time. Let alone Napoleonic time. You have to hear the Russian patriarch speaking of the end times. Unfortunately, it is posted on youtube only in Russian. He is not certain the end times are now at all, but he cautions vigilance. And he believes Russia will deal with wannabe antichrist as she dealt with Napoleon. Well, the second biggest church after the Roman catholic, her head speaks like that. He believes the antichrist is beatable, at least before he manifests himself as such at the 3.5y period. The patriarch further believes the positive energy of the earth to survive is still present and the end times are still not here. Nevertheless he warns of recent morale downfalls in the West they might be precursor of a quicker arrival of the end times.

What matters the wings of the woman if we don't have them now? Instead, we have Putin who spoke yesterday in Sochi Valdai club and the speech is one of the historic proportions. He offered nothing less than a new world order of new relations and rules, or...no rules at all. "The Bear will listen to no one" and similar phrases not heard of since the Georgian war. Don't be fast to call him antichrist. He may beat him on judo ground...

Here I have two threads that discuss different timelines of Revelation from the already established ones.

War in heaven/space = era of peace on earth www.abovetopsecret.com...
Fire in 2 Peter is not an End times event www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: 2012newstart

ah, well i'm more like a partial preterist. for example, the argument that daniel's statue has to have already been fulfilled since its toes would have to be exceedingly long, time proportion-wise, vs the other empires on the statue, i think is wrong. rather, i believe the toes are on a repeat. it's the beast that was, is not, yet is. in other words, whatever the legs of iron were on the statue, that became the feet and toes, is just repeating itself under the guise of other empires. you may think it's no longer in charge, but it is. was, is not, yet is. it just retreats when its about to be snuffed out of existence, re-establishes itself by infiltrating any fledgling powers that moved in to replace it. and if we follow daniel and revelation's example, there's 3 more after the 5th. so that's 3 more empires, all pretending to have nothing to do with the fifth empire, but which are all eventually infiltrated and ruled by the fifth.

afterall, the statue is supposed to represent all the empires the world would ever have till the end of the human dispensation. if it's only supposed to have 5, where'd the next 3 come from mentioned in revelation? clearly, it's 5 doing its "is, was not, yet is" domination of the world technique.

as far as the eagle wings reference, i just meant that whole passage about the woman is not entirely about the events of jesus' life, so you probably shouldn't apply it strictly to that time frame. it's a moving story, moving across time from the crucial event - which was the birth of jesus.

a reply to: undo

I have only one reply left for tonight, so let it be this one:
" it just retreats when its about to be snuffed out of existence, "
Well without pointing at anyone, the beast never retreated from world stage until this moment. He was never absent from the world, remaining under different disguises. Perhaps such period must arrive first, before beast's return at the very end. How long that period is? Or how long the war in heaven is? Or how long the promised era of peace is? Are they one same period of time (in earth's perspective)? We don't know. We have no measurement of that kind of times. One human life is not enough to comprehend all of that. That all is not planned by humans in first place

So I am suspicious at everyone who wants to make today's world stage the stage of the end times armageddon. Especially when that someone was the ex-president George Bush Jr. who was opposed in his views by John Paul II. The prophecy is more than naming the opponent politician as the antichrist. Unfortunately, many churches today are doing exactly that, and forget easily their pre-determined armies may quickly change, as for example the EU they already saw as the ...don't know whom. The world changes before our eyes and before the theories of those active preachers who want to see the end here and now. One advise to them: they have first to survive it (the nuclear war) in order to see the end, if there is a such in our times.

originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: undo

I have only one reply left for tonight, so let it be this one:
" it just retreats when its about to be snuffed out of existence, "
Well without pointing at anyone, the beast never retreated from world stage until this moment. He was never absent from the world, remaining under different disguises. Perhaps such period must arrive first, before beast's return at the very end. How long that period is? Or how long the war in heaven is? Or how long the promised era of peace is? Are they one same period of time (in earth's perspective)? We don't know. We have no measurement of that kind of times. One human life is not enough to comprehend all of that. That all is not planned by humans in first place

So I am suspicious at everyone who wants to make today's world stage the stage of the end times armageddon. Especially when that someone was the ex-president George Bush Jr. who was opposed in his views by John Paul II. The prophecy is more than naming the opponent politician as the antichrist. Unfortunately, many churches today are doing exactly that, and forget easily their pre-determined armies may quickly change, as for example the EU they already saw as the ...don't know whom. The world changes before our eyes and before the theories of those active preachers who want to see the end here and now. One advise to them: they have first to survive it (the nuclear war) in order to see the end, if there is a such in our times.

i'm trying to figure out how republicans like bush, would have any disagreement with the pope since it was reagan who gave the pope his own city-state, smack dab in the middle of washington, dc, to the boisterous disagreement of people who claimed it was a violation of church and state.

the guys at the top of the food chain, are a pretty close-knit clique.

a reply to: undo

thanks for the info, I don't know how involved the Vatican is in US internal affairs. There were big differences between St John Paul II and George W. Bush about particularly Iraq.

I am not specialist on Vatican-US relations. May be they had pretty good relations at the time of the Polish Solidarnosc and the fall of Berlin Wall.


spaceweather.com...

"GIANT SUNSPOT CRACKLING WITH FLARES: AR2192 is the biggest sunspot in nearly 25 years, and it is still growing. The active region now covers 2750 millionths of the solar disk, an area equivalent to 33 planet Earths skinned and spread out flat."

I wonder how many more X-flares are needed to accomplish Fatima prophecy? Man-made, natural, or both? If the so called "Christian West" in the Northern hemisphere believes it will survive it MORE than the rest of the world, it is wrong. It should give account on all misused graces received from God for centuries. While countries of the Third World don't have that problem. Russia is special case and I discuss it in length many times. It is the key to Fatima prophecy. Depending on which side you stand on. To demonize Russia is the worst approach. Unfortunately, fanatics of Catholic church are doing exactly that on certain sites, believing they speak for God or Virgin Mary. Nobody can take that authority, not even the pope (who doesn't by the way). They will never get to the era of peace, and the rays of an angry sun stand above them.

Putin's full speech in Valai club made public online says much more than MSM carried out (incl RT)
cluborlov.blogspot.fi...

The Russian blogger chipstone summarized the most salient points from Putin speech as follows:

1. Russia will no longer play games and engage in back-room negotiations over trifles. But Russia is prepared for serious conversations and agreements, if these are conducive to collective security, are based on fairness and take into account the interests of each side.

2. All systems of global collective security now lie in ruins. There are no longer any international security guarantees at all. And the entity that destroyed them has a name: The United States of America.

7. Russia does not wish for the chaos to spread, does not want war, and has no intention of starting one. However, today Russia sees the outbreak of global war as almost inevitable, is prepared for it, and is continuing to prepare for it. Russia does not war—nor does she fear it.

This is an open declaration of war, with some time delay serving as ultimatum.

Having that on the table, and the lack of any angelic (ET) activities to save the elect ones, now in contrary of previous threads I conclude:

There will be no mass exit way announced publicly before the nuclear war (Chastisement). It will befall humanity in the least expected moment. Perhaps there will be individuals who will be granted by God "Elijah's chariots" in the last moment, let say in the last 30 minutes or so. I don't know whether they are thousands or millions, more likely within thousands. Only after the Chastisement there will be restoration with angelic (ET) help. The bulk of human survivors will be those who hide themselves in protected areas such as deep underground facilities, or who live in the third world and southern hemisphere that presumably will be less affected.

I'd like to be wrong in that latest assessment.

originally posted by: Phantomfire707
When talking about the Third Secret, Pope John Paul II stated at Fulda Germany:

"With your and my prayer it is possible to mitigate this tribulation, BUT IT IS NO LONGER POSSIBLE TO AVERT IT, because only thus can the Church be effectively renewed."

Why can't the tribulation be averted?

Why did JPII say that?

I thought the consecration of Russia was the key. What possibly does the Fatima prophecy state that we don't know, which makes Pope John Paul II reject the solution of consecrating Russia? What factors did the Pope have in mind that was making it impossible for Pope John Paul II to consecrate Russia as the solution to averting tribulation? Are their other unspoken conditions?

That speaks volumes.

Phantomfire, you have PM!

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: 2012newstart

ah, well i'm more like a partial preterist. for example, the argument that daniel's statue has to have already been fulfilled since its toes would have to be exceedingly long, time proportion-wise, vs the other empires on the statue, i think is wrong. rather, i believe the toes are on a repeat. it's the beast that was, is not, yet is. in other words, whatever the legs of iron were on the statue, that became the feet and toes, is just repeating itself under the guise of other empires. you may think it's no longer in charge, but it is. was, is not, yet is. it just retreats when its about to be snuffed out of existence, re-establishes itself by infiltrating any fledgling powers that moved in to replace it. and if we follow daniel and revelation's example, there's 3 more after the 5th. so that's 3 more empires, all pretending to have nothing to do with the fifth empire, but which are all eventually infiltrated and ruled by the fifth.

afterall, the statue is supposed to represent all the empires the world would ever have till the end of the human dispensation. if it's only supposed to have 5, where'd the next 3 come from mentioned in revelation? clearly, it's 5 doing its "is, was not, yet is" domination of the world technique.

as far as the eagle wings reference, i just meant that whole passage about the woman is not entirely about the events of jesus' life, so you probably shouldn't apply it strictly to that time frame. it's a moving story, moving across time from the crucial event - which was the birth of jesus.

Undo, that is something very worth of thinking much longer on it.
I also see repetitiveness but didn't formulate it as you do. Where s the Caliphate for example, that had such a tremendous role for development of Christendom? And the other Medieval kingdoms that could be spoken of volumes? Can we say the beast is absent now?

Of course, OP is generous enough and allows a variety of views in his own thread. I don't think OP should retire right now when we are closer and closer to some (partial) fulfilment of prophecies of old and new.

The wings of the woman, aren't they the rescue force that will carry away the woman/church at the time of the dragon/beast final reign on earth? Final, that means only 3.5y (or 7) before Second Coming, and only 1000+ years before the final judgment day in the universe.

How about more loopholes in prophecies, as the 69th-70th weeks of Daniel? How about more timelines, as some researchers already propose a "heavenly" and an "earthly" plane or timeline in the revelation? How about timelines who make loops or spirals? Modern scientists say it is possible. Ref. Dr. Anderson from Anderson institute of time research www.andersoninstitute.com...

Most of the guys who preach today online think we are just before the start of the 7 year Trib and some say before the 3.5y. They give their arguments, stronger or weaker. What if it is not the case, in God's grand plan that surpasses every human mind? I don't say I know the correct answer. Perhaps no human on earth knows it.

One proposal for further investigation: 2 Peter event of fire is NOT the final judgment neither the Second Coming neither the rapture. It is separate event preceding all of these. Careful study shows it doesn't match the descriptions of any of these well defined events. Does it mean a nuclear war (or combination of war and natural disasters) will make the earth uninhabitable for eons of time long before the final sequence of end times? I don't know. Such perspective is worth of considering though. There isn't one right man/woman or one right theory that says it all. There is a constant moving and evolving, many times into the right direction sometimes into the wrong. The earth's citizens today and their thinking elite (not the 1%) have to be open for possibilities not researched by their predecessors. One cannot apply 15th century paradigm to today's reality and still think he figured it out correctly.

Fatima is the apparition of the century for the catholics. I believe it comes from God. Still we don't know a lot from the basic texts given there. How then we could figure it out correctly?

As we see, as you Undo pointed it out, empires changed in those prophecies and countless number of very intelligent people, prophets included, tried to figure it out. Are we better than they? Just imagine that the countries we consider today inferior, almost third world, were once the world leaders (in the known world of civilizations): Egypt, Assyria, Persia, Babylon, Greece. What are they now except for some museums and past glory? Does it mean today's world will change as dramatically in the next years? Especially if there is approaching event civilization-killer or call it whatever. Where is Atlantis now? Will the people ask in the future: where was exactly the so called "Europaea" that the remaining books speak of as dominating cultural center in the last 3000 years before the Great Disaster? In which place of the new large ocean / lava rocks (whatever) should we dig in to discover its remains?

OK I am not a prophet. This is just a fiction. Perhaps the "fire of heaven" spoken in Fatima (real) and Akita is somehow cancelled and we enter the "era of peace" after a couple of weeks. Perhaps the "century of satan" spoken of by Leo XIII ended too. Unfortunately, it just doesn't happen, week after week, month after month. We see increasing antagonism between powers that called themselves friends after the cold war. It needs one or several pushes of buttons, or one major solar flare to level much of what we know as civilization. The saved ones will live in different conditions, and I hope with better explanations as well. I don't necessarily believe in miracles that preachers explain how "God is almost obliged to do" to change the course of history. Or even less, that "Jesus must come because Israel the clock of God is ticking". Jesus said He does not know himself, how do they know? History showed otherwise, including the told and untold history of the Great Flood. I believe in the miracle called "Life" that God continues to sustain against all odds.

to the already said volumes of pages, I have to add:

the beast (whoever it is represented by at this moment, or none) may retreat from planet earth due to the earth's uninhabitable conditions after the Great Disaster. What empire to build in the radiated ash and the nuclear winter following?

Putin openly talks of the increased likelihood we all die in nuclear winter (October 16 in Serbia, Ria Novosti).

Such scenarios are not anymore fictional but real on the table plans for action before politicians. the survival of human race might be concentrated on several spots underground this planet. and/or off planet on other planets in/beyond solar system.

Where are the current structures of churches in that condition? Shall we have 200 popes inside 200 underground bunkers not connected to each other in the post nuclear world? (or may be 200 planets hosted by 200 friendly ET races).

Our knowledge is very limited thanks to the unwillingness of those in the know to share with the common people. STill we the common people can think based on what we already have.

We may find ourselves pretty soon on different loops of timelines/environment/reality that go their way long before the final End times (that will be again on restored planet earth). Whether those individual branches of humanity will develop on this planet underground, or off planet on other ALready Discovered planets, or both?

Today's predominant interpretations by new prophets, thinkers and preachers may present only the tiny time period just before the Disaster. Tiny is 10, 100 years in history though. They may want to bring Jesus back right after the disaster, but it is not they who decide that. "When the nukes come own, we will go up" we hear times and again by preachers who believe the Rapture is in their power to bring in. It is again the stupid human pride which plays against the human own survival. If Noah thought in those terms he would never build the ark. Because if those preachers see spaceships many of them will start throwing stones and curses, and very few if any will say: this is the rapture although we understood it wrongly. I'd rather believe in such moment some sane secular people, or just the common sense.

The time might be pretty short, as I already posted (in this thread?) it might be a matter of minutes. Because the grand pre-announced exodus is unlikely to be given taking into account the moral/economic and other woes the humanity lives in. In that way, I step back from previous writings where I expected a larger time frame for the rescue mission.

Now I support the idea it will be as short as possible, without any big adds on CNN. Look so you don't miss it.

The surprise preemptive attack is designed as such because of its nature. It can't be pre-announced on TV because it won't be anymore surprising and disabling.

Whoever expects large angelic warnings, prophets speaking on TV, etc, whoever expects End times announcements, televised abomination from the temple, visible mark of the beast, he might be very wrong in his schedule. If there is a warning, it is the warning given now, by some politicians, some prophets, thinkers. Then it will all be done in the remaining hours. And all end times theories will be rewritten afterwards, by those who accepted God's grace and survived according to God's will and promise. Not the theories make the reality, it is vice versus. Not the theories will bring to earth Jesus, just the opposite - He will bring the chosen ones up by means He chooses, not we. Including by people who will be called today "unbelievers" or whatever, including by Et who are already demonized in certain fanatic groups. Pity. God does not play jokes. And that was seen clearly on the film Noah, however controversial it were for some. If Noah had the mind of today's hierarchy and end-time doomers, he would never save his family and the humankind (along with the animals), instead waiting for "God to act for his salvation". Pity!

SOme news:

Nov. 1 Russia Test-Fires Topol-M Intercontinental Ballistic Missile: Defense Ministry en.ria.ru...
N Korea Deploys Ballistic Missile Sub: Reports

Oct 29:
Russia test-fired Bulava sea-based ballistic missile from the next generation submarine Yury Dolgoruky en.ria.ru...

Several days ago Russia sent 6 nuclear bombers and other planes to 3 European seas: Northern, Atlantic near Portugal, Baltic, Black sea.

That all happens on the background of political rhetoric not seen since the Georgian war. In fact Putin mentioned nuclear winter for the first time ever this October 16 in Serbia. If you missed that interview, you could watch the Valdai 2h Q/A session translated in perfect English. You could find it either on Valdai club website or on RT and their youtube.

I wonder how much more time is given to the world in the current "free fall". In another secular thread a poster said, 2015. I think it could be earlier but everything depends on the overal plan of God not on people.

The whole secret of Fatima could be summarized in the video below:

I will not repeat again reasons and controversies about already known texts, please just scroll up and go to previous pages.
The Kremlin pyramids videos, flying both in daytime and in the night, appeared on youtube in the night of December 10, 2009. Let remember the previous night was seen in the skies of Northern Norway a Spiral 300 km hi in the space, originated from Russian territory around White Sea and coinciding with Bulava test. My purpose here is not to talk about the Spiral itself, that filled many pages of scientific researchers on internet.

The videos of Kremlin pyramid were not made the same day. They were older. It is obvious because no one citizen of multi-million Moscow didn't call police, newspaper etc and there were no individual photos taken of the phenomena. The videos are only Released at that exact date. (coincided with Obama Nobel peace prize in Oslo on December 10, 2009). For the governmental approval speak the fact the videos climbed hi in popularity and were re-broadcast on state and private TV channels immediately after they appeared on youtube.

It speaks clearly Russia has contacts with extraterrestrials on some level. And decided to manifest them in public on that same date.

The process didn't stop there. Governor Kirsan Illumsinov, mayor of Moscow Luzhkov, and finally, ex-president and current PM Medvedev all spoke of contacts, although on different level. Medvedev (above) said he knew of the ET persons on Russian territory. Luzhkov said he had a device to contact them. Illumzinov said he visited their ship and they gave him a brief 30 min flight to another star and back. All three of them are respected people. Illumzinov is president of world chess association and is not insane, although he is the youngest of them. That all is nothing short of a coordinated manifestation to the world public that indeed ET are here and particularly in Russia, that contact has already been made.

Fatima real text may continue to be hidden for years by clergy who apparently put their own interests above the interests of humankind. (Our Lady told the secret to be released in 1960). The exact text doesn't matter anymore. (there is always the danger of further falsification if it happened once or twice).

It matters the reality that already happens in daylight. If Russia is the key to the Era of Peace, (conversion to God or you name it), and if Russia manifests extraterrestrial contacts (as clearly as possible, without giving them to public yet), those two sides should be interconnected. Perhaps the era of peace would be possible only if those contacts and experience of Russia is given to the wider world.

One may ask, why other states, such as US, Brazil, UK, China, who reportedly also have ET contacts, why don't they make it happen? I don't know. Perhaps it is about dozen or more different Ets with different agendas. And we don't know which one is permitted by God as the entrance of the era of peace. Fatima speaks of Russia, from what we know.

Or, the era of peace may come to another planet(s) in case of the events of fire befall the earth (see above).

Phantomfire and others, you may argue at this point that the ET manifestation to the world will be the "error that Russia will spread throughout the world". I'd be glad to hear your viewpoints. If so, you have to explain the paradoxes I listed above, of 1941 release of the second secret that blames Russia to coincide so perfectly with Hitler's attack on Communist Russia. And of course, if you accept the ET release today to be the "great error" of Russia, then you practically absolve the actions of Russian very different governments before that manifestation occurs. Without entering in history again, my viewpoint is the ET cannot be the great delusion at this time. It is illogical. Pls check my previous posts about the Second Coming and prophecy of Bible that PRECEDE that of Fatima by significance.

Paradoxes are many, thanks to the unwillingness of Vatican to listen and answer on the issue to the people who think and ask questions, who are among the most devote catholics. I avoid stronger wording although I could. 1960 is long in the past. Our almost entire lives were marked and continue to be marked by the unwillingness of the Vatican to help the people, to help the world by saying what is ordered by Our Lady - as that same Vatican proclaims as approved apparition and beatified the children seers?!? We could have lived in the era of peace by now, and not in the nightmare of today's reality, expecting even worse to happen before it becomes better. The whole secret could be said shorter than Urbi et Orbi blessing on Christmas, and it wasn't said for all those decades. I wouldn't talk more of responsibility, rather of opportunities that should not be missed from now on. Not even one month more. The world cannot afford to wait how pope after pope resign or become inadequate (JP2). What if pope Francis makes good on his words to resign too? How long should we wait for the promises to be fulfilled? May be long after our deaths when we'd not need them in first place. Our children will. "Therefore, they will be your judges" said Jesus.

Pope Francis already did much in that regard. Including by recently talking of the "beings of the universe". I don't know if he will be permitted by the others to fulfill his work.

Instead of keeping silence as a nuclear submarine, the Vatican offices could make interactive connection where they could ANSWER legitimate questions of devote people. Actually the questions are already posted online everywhere. There aren't that many answers though. Why could Putin, Medvedev, Obama do it although different from each other?
The pope's twitter is nothing else than yet another line of spreading homily-like teachings. Good! But where are the questions and the ANSWERS of those who say they serve God's people? Why no polls are taken into account in the matters of ruling of church? Fatima is not the only problem, although the biggest one in my view.

Why no polls of appointment of bishops for instance? How is it the Orthodox churches have some kind of lay representatives when they elect metropolitans and patriarchs? In all, where is the reform of pope Francis? Everyone would have changed few old people. I know he wants to do much more. I hope he will until there is still time.

What matters for the common people that are majority of this church, is not the well being of a handful of hi hierarchy, or their theological disputes. Perhaps the divorced and gay questions weren't the best to start with, only to lose almost 2 years and to divide church further.

Let the world have the era of peace 25 years after the fall of cold war. The way it goes, it will be the era of fire on earth. Is this what many in Vatican prefer to happen, "to cleanse the church", as allegedly JP2 talked in Fulda? I hope not. Because they don't live on isolated island to decide the fate instead of the people of the world.