FATIMA Connected Prophecies .................... and other Fatima based observations.

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posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 05:35 AM
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originally posted by: Phantomfire707
There was no big move by Medvedev during the submission of the budget, my "prophecy" failed. You may reject me as you please.

I have begun to offer major and repeated acts of repentance for that failure


Your best act of repentance would be stop making up and posting crap.




posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 05:44 AM
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just a quick question:

if you want to interpret prophecy, why not use the prophecies of daniel, ezekiel and revelation, to clarify, adjust, highlight, or illuminate, said prophecies? doesn't make sense to leave them out of your deliberations, as they are the original prophecies. for example, what about the prophecy regarding the woman clothed with the sun, with the moon at her feet (obviously mary, metaphorically symbolized as the constellation virgo who is pregnant with the sun (sun is rising midcenter of virgo, at either a solstice of equinox, i forget which) and as such, determines the timeframe of the event(mary pregnant with jesus) - standing on the white throne (the moon), and symbolized on earth as the great pyramid, who's white outercasing stones, have since been scavenged and used to build mosques in cairo).

ever wonder why mary would have dominion over egypt during the life of jesus? doesn't make sense does it? that's okay, some of the clues are missing. who is the alpha and the omega? what do the symbols look like? have you ever seen anything like them? if you've seen the greek alphabet and know ancient egyptian royal accessories, then yes, you've seen them before.

anybody care to guess who mary represents in the prophecy? by the way, this prophecy is a signpost, a marker on the timeline. it is not a future event, but a past event. the past however, is a necessary spot to start from when following a timeline. but it is using THE SKY, to set the timeline, not historical events on earth. once you find the event in the sky, then you can match its event on the earth in historical or futuristic context.



posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 05:53 AM
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Given all controversies about the allegedly written down in 1941 and release of secrets 1,2, together with all the reasons I gave in other Fatima threads of this forum, I cannot with good conscience accept the text of "secret 2" as authentic words of Our Lady. The precedent of 3 secret saga cast doubt on the 2nd too (please read my previous posts).

Europe in 1941 was Europe dominated by Hitler's Germany. At that precise time, not 1 or 2 years earlier, someone in the Vatican decided to post a text from OL that accuses not Hitler but Russia as evil N1 in the world. Hitler was unstoppable in the first months of the war against USSR. Perhaps many in the West, including in Rome, would be more delighted to see a fast crush of USSR similar to that of France. There are rumors on internet* that Hitler might have wanted some truce with British empire. For example, it is now a matter of fact Hitler ordered a full stop of his advancing armies in France in 1940 to allow the British troops to board the ships in Dunkirk. Anyway, that gesture didn't win the British benevolence AT THAT TIME. How about if Hitler was more successful on the East?

In such a dramatic and decisive historic moment, it is more than "devotion" or "political choice" for a highly conservative Vatican to release to the wider world a heavenly message pointing at one of the sides as the culprit. Even if there is a dose of truth in it, why then the withdrawal of the 3rd part?

The 1984 consecration of Russia by John Paul 2 should have brought the era of peace, IF such has been requested by heaven. Apparently, it was not. Something else is inside those pages written by Lucia-1 the real Lucia. We are little bit more clever than 5th grade dummies. It transpires from everywhere that we are cheated grossly: the entire saga of the 3rd secret, Neues Europa text, or the fact the secrets were never announced to public in the period 1917-1941 (neither to the crowd during the sun miracle Oct 13 1917, they were given to the seers on July 13, 1917) . I don't know if even the popes, holy men, were given the real words. Otherwise they would not spend decades for repeated failures in consecrations that never achieved their announced goal. Perhaps the goal and the requests are not that? Soon we will know anyway. But then no excuses will be accepted anymore.

* I mean a documentary video that I cannot give link right now. There the archives clearly showed Hitler's advancing general ...was repeatedly ordered to slow down and finally to stop just before the approaches of Dunkirk. Then Hitler had unusual speech praising the British empire. Therefore "the rumor" the unverified part whether Hitler hoped for British benevolence to leave him alone in Europe. In anyway, that episode was as short as to allow evacuation. Followed the fierce German attack that however didn't stop the majority of British troops to board the ships. I know there are people who will say otherwise. If I find the link I will post it. The question is not so much so if Hitler wanted to play together with the British or cheated them as he did with Stalin (Ribbentrop-Molotov pact of 10year peace). The question is where did the Vatican stand at that precise period of history. And how that reflected into said/unsaid/half-said words allegedly coming from Our Lady in Fatima. Now, nearly 100 years later we have even bigger problems with all nuclear powers etc. It is not a choice of 10 men in red, it is a choice that should be given to every single person on that planet. As Our Lady requested the secrets to be released by year 1960. We have the right to choose and we have the right to know the truth revealed by God. The rest of the story is a story of big lies, among the biggest in 20-21 century. You can't have era of peace because you don't have a word pronounced by pope, because Russia was not consecrated and therefore not converted (truly) to God, and therefore she will spread her errors to the entire planet, including today's "democratic states"? Do you believe that? And if it is true, why it isn't done by now? I don't believe that is the true story. At best, that is a very tiny part of the truth that Heaven already released but humans concealed.
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posted on Oct, 24 2014 @ 07:24 AM
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a reply to: 2012newstart

hi. i suppose your response is directed to the op?



posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 04:22 AM
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Yes it is. Here I try to address yours.


originally posted by: undo
just a quick question:

if you want to interpret prophecy, why not use the prophecies of daniel, ezekiel and revelation, to clarify, adjust, highlight, or illuminate, said prophecies? doesn't make sense to leave them out of your deliberations, as they are the original prophecies. for example, what about the prophecy regarding the woman clothed with the sun,



I did so in many other threads. Ezekiel 1 and Elijah's chariots, Daniel, and Revelation. Particularly for Revelation 12 I have a special thread, pls click on my profile. For me, this cannot be a past event, this is a future event. What sense of retelling history. And, Mary never fled away ALONE in the desert, she fled to Egypt TOGETHER with baby Jesus. The baby in the Revelation 12, (a text written some 90-100 years later, at best!) cannot be the literal image of Jesus who grew up on Earth to 33 y of age. All symbolical interpretations, and there are many written throughout centuries, set aside the problem that we have to see prophecy fulfilled in order to believe. The preterism is not my favorite approach. It is anti-prophetic so to speak because denies the prophecy its essence - to see the future. As of today, we haven't seen any "war in heaven" unfolding before our eyes. I can continue, but it goes out of the current topic of OP. And I alreay discussed it in other threads.

The purpose for me to spend time for these several more posts within OP's main topic, is the intense situation around Ukraine-Russia, on one hand, and the incorrect, false understanding of Fatima prophecy on the other. Since I talked much about the second one, let me say some words now of the first one.

The Ukrainian army already used nuclear capable missile Tochka (one of the the new generation successors of those old missiles that threatened US existence during the Cuban crisis). Tochka destroyed only a chemical plant in Donetsk with conventional load.

What if at least one or more nukes have been preserved secretly by someone in Ukraine (not necessarily government) at the time of Ukraine break up from the Soviet Union and changing its status to non-nuclear country? What if, on the other side, the Donbass rebels somehow get a nuclear device, let say found in some old bunker of Soviet time? Do you think it is impossible one or both sides in that civil conflict to get nuclear? There were already threats from some activists on the streets. We have the chance for a first time in history of a nuclear civil war right in the European continent and within the former Soviet borders. Do you think any such occurrence will pass by unsanctioned by Russia and the other powers? I bet it will start WW3 rather soon. Perhaps only days after. Perhaps someone even want it and hope for such occurrence. Chemical charges (with chlorine) have already been used there.

That is something up-to-date, on the table, and matters more than the endless interpretation what John saw that varies greatly, depending also on the political side the preacher stands on. So let those in vests tell us clearly what OL told the children AND THE WORLD in 1917. Or we understand it as we could, right from the battlefield facts. Remember there are no isolated islands on planet earth anymore. It matters for Rome, Paris and Washington equally or even more than it matters for Donetsk and Moscow. If we try to imagine the possibility of a post-WW3 world, I could imagine survival of Russians in remote Siberian bunkers. I cannot imagine survival of the Western civilization the way we know it. It will be its end, even if Russia is destroyed in the process too. Perhaps Malachi comes into the scene too.

I don't know how that fits into the book of Revelation, and in anyway I wouldn't start such discussion here. We never know how soon is soon and whether Jesus comes tomorrow in case of nuclear war, or doesn't come and let the people kill each other, as in WW1, WW2 and, also Noah's flood. We just don't know.



posted on Oct, 25 2014 @ 07:14 AM
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a reply to: 2012newstart

alrighty. i don't think the "carried away on the wings of an eagle," reference, is talking about what you think it's talking about, so naturally, that would require a debate and take the topic off course. i just made an observation about references to mary in prophecy, might be a good place to start when trying to interpret things like modern prophecies.





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