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originally posted by: bellagirl
originally posted by: BlastedCaddy
So another scenario where the lawful folk lose their guns and the criminals keep theirs. Mint.
well i am posting from here in beautiful australia.
i have commented on a few different posts over my time here trying to understand the whole gun culture thing in america. i have finally reached a conclusion.....YOUR ALL IDIOTS.
we as a nation had a mass murder and our prime minister had the balls to stand up and say never again. i was only a teenager and my parents had a rifle in the top of the cupboard. they handed it in and that was it...end of story.
my kids are now in their late teens they have never held a gun..never seen a gun and would be frightened to even be near a gun. BUT...they all went to school and the last thing ever on their mind was a school shooting. they have never had to do drills of what to do if there is a gunman in the school etc.
i work in a major sydney hospital only about 50 minutes away from the centre of sydney. in my 10 years there i have probably only ever seen 5 shooting victims. all were criminals and one was a child who shot his friend while playing with his dads gun. i have never seen an inocent victim just randomly shot.
yes there are still shootings here but i can safely say over 90% have a middle eastern name and its gang related just shooting each other in gang wars. that doesnt bother me....shoot away at each other. one poor innocent man got caught in the cross fire once and was killed.
so fellow ats friends....flame away as i know you will ... stand up and chant USA USA...bang your chest and tell me how you love your guns and your rights then go and watch the nightly news about the latest mass shooting.
Luckily I dont live in Australia.
The Gun is just the tool, not the reason they are doing this. they could outlaw all guns and people will still find a way to commit mass murder.
I think the President should be asking himself why he has the highest incidents of mass shootings under his tenure that any other POTUS.
The one USA has gun control but there is no such thing as gun shootings (like the example of Australia above where they had one shooting 20 years ago and then none)
- and on the other side an USA *without* gun control but mass shooting every couple of weeks almost, in schools, cinemas, malls etc..
All this proves is the US president's ability to misunderstand the Australian culture, trying to compare it to America's. If an Australian wants to shoot someone, they can and do. If Australians want a gun, they can get one.
It's probably worth noting that if the Australian authorities behaved in a manner similar to their American counterparts, Australians would likely want access to own as many guns as their US cousins. The American people shouldn't allow themselves to be disarmed, not because of some idiot amendment to their constitution but because take one look at the government and you can tell they're going to need them at some stage.
if history doesn't fail me they started as nothing but a penal colony.
originally posted by: Skyline74
a reply to: bellagirl
Actually bellagirl, we didn't have to hand our guns in. Only certain types of semi-auto rifles. I grew up with guns down here in Victoria and had a junior gun licence as a kid, which still is available to children today. Violent crime is actually higher now than before the gun reforms. Especially home invasions, kidnapping and others which have been committed by people with firearms. What you are saying is completely incorrect bulls%$#.
And by the way, don't believe everything the media tells you about The Port Arthur Massacre and Martin Bryant, the so called lone shooter in that incident either. Tell me why it took the help of the Victorian and NSW Special Operations Group members along with the Tasmanian members to take down an intellectualy disabled Martin Bryant, whose IQ was only 66. Also tell us how Martin Bryant managed to shoot 19 out of 20 people in the head, shooting a milatary carbine rifle from the hip. I know a couple of Victorian SOG members who were actually there that night and they told me that they were under fire from 2 or more people using night vision/Inca red equipment and that it was never just one shooter, especially the guy they pinned it on.
Also John Howard, our prime minister at the time decided that there would be no legal trial for Martin Bryant or Inquest into the shooting which is totally 100% illegal and is not in his jurisdiction to do so. He's excuse was that the family members of the victims have been through enough and then closed all files on the shooting and locked them for 30 years.
This was a complete 100% preplanned event, which dates back to the Hoddle Street Massacre in 1987 (which was a lone nut shooting spree), Just after that the NSW Premier at the time -(his name was Barry Unsworth) spoke to John Howard's government saying, and I quote "It will take a massacre IN Tasmania before we get National Gun Laws"
. And guess what? Tasmania had the biggest gun lobby at the time, as a lot of hunters live there. The Australian Government will never get to take mine or any of my friends guns ever.
Here Is An Interesting Article from The Tasman Times, written in 2010 (and includes a couple of comments also):
Were Government Security Agencies Involved In The Setting Up Of The Port Arthur Massacre?
John G. Wollaston
14 December 2010
“It will take a massacre in Tasmania before we get national gun laws”
NSW Premier Barry Unsworth, 1987
The date of the 28th April 1996 is deeply etched into the minds of all who in some way became involved in the tragic story of what happened in Port Arthur on that day. Thirty five innocent people were massacred, supposedly by a registered disabled, intellectually impaired, left-handed invalid, whose only weapon’s training had been with a single shot air rifle given to him when he was 16.
Confused and disoriented, Martin Bryant, was charged, without trial, for the offence and taken to serve 35 consecutive life sentences in Risdon Prison – where he now spends his endless days in a drugged haze, trying to make sense of what actually happened on that day.
To understand why he couldn’t possibly have committed this crime, let us first look at some of the many bizarre events leading up to this tragedy and question why they occurred.
It is said that Bryant first met the Tattersall’s heiress, Helen Harvey, in 1991 when he was hitchhiking in Tasmania. He moved in with her and a year later she was killed in a ‘freak car accident’ not far from where they lived. Bryant inherited the house and a very large sum of money from the estate. The next year his father, a waterside worker from the mainland, visited Bryant. His body was later fished out of a nearby dam. In spite of the fact that he had a gunshot wound and a diver’s weight belt around his waist, and no weapon was ever discovered, the coroner strangely found no evidence of foul play.
Two other people were also involved in this family inheritance – Dr. John Flynn and his brother Father Jeremy Flynn. Shortly before the massacre Dr. Flynn was arrested in India on trumped-up charges of smuggling artefacts and held without trial until after the massacre. He was later released, without apology, to return to Australia.
Just one week prior to the massacre, Father Flynn disappeared while flying his twin-engined Beech Baron from the mainland to Tasmania. Neither he, his passenger, nor the plane were ever recovered.
A Mortuary truck, with 22 body racks in a refrigerated unit, was commissioned and specially built in Tasmania just before the massacre and then sold shortly afterwards.
Seven hundred reporters from 17 nations attended a seminar in Hobart on that weekend, ready to take the story to the world media.
On the day of the massacre some 25 specialist doctors from the Royal Australian College of Surgeons, from all over Australia, attended a training course in Hobart. Their last lecture was on ‘Terrorist Attack and Gunshot Wounds’. They stayed on to take care of the wounded victims.
Two hours before the murders, ten of the senior managers of Port Arthur were taken to safety many miles away on the east coast, on the pretext of a two day seminar with a vague agenda and no visiting speakers.
On the 27th March, Martin Bryant is said to have entered Terry Hill’s gun shop in New Town, Tasmania, carrying a fully loaded AR 10 assault rifle wrapped in a towel, saying that there was something wrong with it. Hill, realising that Bryant had no idea of how to load, unload, or even handle an assault rifle - even though he somehow had obtained a photo licence for prohibited and automatic firearms - disarmed the weapon and kept it for repairs.
Hill, at his police interview on the 6th June, 1996 denied having sold arms and ammunition to Bryant. The next day he received a letter from the attending lawyer, containing veiled threats “unless you are prepared to in effect change your story, they (the police) will press on and try and find sufficient evidence to charge you with some offences …” It finished with, “However, it was also made abundantly clear that the Director of Public Prosecutions is prepared to offer you an indemnity against prosecution if you are prepared to accept that you did sell guns to Bryant ...”
Hill refused to admit the lie and a week later his shop was raided by police and his licence revoked. His determination to maintain the truth and not provide the DPP with a vital missing link in the trail of evidence cost him his livelihood.
On the day of the massacre an anonymous phone caller lured the only two policemen on the peninsula away from the site on the pretext that a cache of heroin (later proven to be fictitious) had been discovered in a remote location at Saltwater River on the far west coast, some 30 minutes by car.
As though waiting for this signal, four minutes after the police radioed their arrival, the massacre at Port Arthur began.
When the gunman began pulling out his weapons in the Cafe, a man (later identified as Anthony Nightingale) stood up shouting "No, no, not here!!" Nightingale was shot by the assassin for giving the game away.
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