Obama cites Australia’s gun confiscation program as example for US

America is a lost cause.

Your sick in the head, I don't know if its from your fast food addictions, your daily medications the TV tells you that you need or your lust for blood, but your populace clearly are not stable enough to be responsible with weapons.

Your society needs to be disarmed until your mature enough to handle these guns.

A hand gun, shot gun and/or hunting rifle are more than enough. anything more is just egotistical stupidity.

But if your only killing each others kids in schools and shopping malls then hey, who am I to complain.

a reply to: rhynouk

Its not that bad.

There are just flare ups each time an incident is reported on extensively.

No you couldnt implement it. Australia has a wee fraction of the US population, and thus number of guns.

One thing I would like to point out. If we were to have guns taken away. The rest of the world would suffer as well. Our insane government only behaves due to the fact that we could kick their ass sideways. Without that "threat" to them, do you mistakenly think they will become nicer to the rest of the world? LOL. I assure you that you haven't seen a thing without us keeping them in check. Check 1 = Connecticut Gun registration. 325,000 normal citizens said FU and didn't register. What have they done? Nothing. Both sides know they cant. Check 2 = Cliven Bundy and scaring off the BLM.

This is the truth ladies and gentlemen of the world. If somehow we go down....LOOK OUT!

a reply to: Agit8dChop

lol chop...how are you my friend.

we may disagree on a few things but we do agree on this. i am done with trying to work out the psychy of the whole situation.

the idiotic fear they have is mind boggling. the only people who want to see an end to the shootings is the rest of the world. we just have to come to the conclusion that we are blessed to be born here and not there.

i just cant understand the fear...fear of government, boogey man, each other, losing their rights etc etc.

america can put a man on the moon but cant stop themselves from shooting each other...and because it is a conspiracy site...did they really put a man on moon

originally posted by: ArchAngel_X

Yes, it is hard. In my opinion it shouldn't be easy to obtain dangerous weapons. But it's not impossible. You just have to demonstrate to the government that you're not a criminal or mentally unbalanced, and can use and store these weapons safely. Some of my neighbors have guns. Many of my family have guns. It's obviously not prohibitively difficult for them to legally obtain guns. So why is this system of licensing and registration considered a problem to individuals such as yourself?

the problems are little things like costs, and just having access to a facility for training and the tests. which when you live in the city and they are all outside the city without transit links makes it very difficult for people. especially things like the clause for handguns about needing to shoot them at these same out of the city locations and the hassle of just trying to transport them to said ranges. not to mention the near impossibility of bringing an heirloom handgun across from the US into Canada legally, the only reason i was ever even interested in having a handgun at all, hell i wasn't even interested in firing it, just having it as a part of my family history.

If you're going to claim a fact I expect you to provide evidence supportive of that claim, especially when it involves such as vast geographical swath as "many areas". Were you there to hear it?

hard to provide "evidence" when you are now living halfway around the world. besides would you have accepted sound recordings? no way in hell would i try to get video as i wouldn't want to be caught in the crossfire, having shots fired off below my bedroom was close enough thanks. lets see the areas i lived in where this gunfire was heard constantly by myself personally almost nightly. Scarborough, North York (Jane and Finch area), Parkdale. as well i have heard the same recently in Etobicoke, Mississauga, Brampton, and Richmond Hill, (which considering i was only visiting those places a couple times while i was back for a few weeks is rather suggestive it is also a common occurrence in those places) all in the greater GTA area.

I agree with you on many points in this paragraph, perhaps with differing emphasis on one key word: gun control is not THE answer. It doesn't completely solve the issues at hand but I do see it as a tool for keeping some weapons out of the hands of those who might misuse them. You'll never get all the weapons away from the bad people because, as you say, criminals don't follow gun laws, and I agree with that sentiment against gun laws 100%. But it's a start. Don't you have to start somewhere? Gun regulation doesn't solve the issue, but neither does sticking one's head in the sand whenever the topic comes up.

thing is you are not keeping guns out of the hands of those that misuse it via gun control. all you do is keep guns out of the hands of those that will not misuse them. the ones sticking their heads in the sand are those that think gun control helps stop shootings. amusingly i have seen more guns around where i am now then i have ever seen in Canada or the US. they are so common that they have places to leave your guns while you go into a bank, or a mall. sure some people get murdered but i do not see the same "shooting sprees" here as there. there are even 2 major insurgent groups that are at war with the government yet even those do not seem to cause as much trouble as shooters in North America, and they even have heavy machine guns to play with.

Again, if invoking a fact, please support it with verifiable sources. I live in Canada and this is the first I've heard of this.

for one thing i don't have a time machine to go back to when i was in school and those currently in are not dumb enough to "provide evidence" and become walking targets, they have to be in school and live in the same areas with these people.

Oh we have shootings, sure: the recent Moncton spree, the École Polytechnique massacre, the Mayerthorpe RCMP shootings. I don't sweep those under the rug, but I think it's pretty safe to say that such acts of gun violence are exceedingly rare in Canada when compared to the United States, and I can't help but think that perhaps - maybe - our gun regulation laws and related attitudes might have something to do with that.

or perhaps it is the fact that crime and murder in general are not as bad in the US, it is all relative.

And I do realize I'm taking on a pro-regulation stance in this thread, but I honestly do not feel I am pro-regulation. I just realize the potential benefit it can have and actually care little if the regulations in my country are stiffened or relaxed either way. I have no problem with guns and have even thought of getting a rifle myself in recent years, but if I choose to do so it will be according to all the laws and regulations my government says, and I don't have a problem with that at all.

the reason i am anti-gun control, is the fact that i have seen for myself how useless gun control is at doing anything about the issue, and have no benefits at all. they even stopped the long gun registration since it cost so much without benefit. not to mention the complete mess it was especially when trying to register guns with no serial numbers.

All this proves is the US president's ability to misunderstand the Australian culture, trying to compare it to America's. If an Australian wants to shoot someone, they can and do. If Australians want a gun, they can get one.

It's probably worth noting that if the Australian authorities behaved in a manner similar to their American counterparts, Australians would likely want access to own as many guns as their US cousins. The American people shouldn't allow themselves to be disarmed, not because of some idiot amendment to their constitution but because take one look at the government and you can tell they're going to need them at some stage.

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: LrdRedhawk
Obama should move to Australia.

That's a good comeback, really good.

I was thinking Mexico myself. He would have a very large constituency there

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
America is a lost cause.

Your sick in the head, I don't know if its from your fast food addictions, your daily medications the TV tells you that you need or your lust for blood, but your populace clearly are not stable enough to be responsible with weapons.

Your society needs to be disarmed until your mature enough to handle these guns.

A hand gun, shot gun and/or hunting rifle are more than enough. anything more is just egotistical stupidity.

But if your only killing each others kids in schools and shopping malls then hey, who am I to complain.

Apparently, just like every other nation, we can't handle freedom and the responsibility that comes with it.

So we need to discard the Constitution and Bill of Rights, correct?

originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass


Murican freedom isn't free. It's steeped in crazy sauce.

So when was the last time some guy who owned 100 guns went on a mass shoot spree? The crazy sauce has nothing to do with guns...

originally posted by: beezzer


Apparently, just like every other nation, we can't handle freedom and the responsibility that comes with it.

So we need to discard the Constitution and Bill of Rights, correct?

Ya we have that pesky 1% of the population that cant handle it so lets hit the other 99%. Kind of like Obama care, to help the 12 million in need we needed to negatively affect the other 300+ million to do it.

When it comes to mass killings every year we see that 1 in 60 million freaks out and decides that they want to mass kill for some reason. This is equal to England having one person kill more than one person a little over once per year, or once every 3 years in Australia by comparison.

originally posted by: ArchAngel_X

originally posted by: Shadow22
Because if a bunch of rogue gang members

Why is it the pro-gun lobby seem to depend on concocted and imaginative scenarios to justify an argument against gun laws?

Because if my government goes rogue...
Because if my house gets invaded by drug addicts...
Because when the aliens or zombies come...

Yes, on the statistically-insignificant chance that one of these scenarios should actually happen to you, we should continue to place our index fingers into our ears and babble loudly to drown out the reality that rampant gun violence in the United States is not going away.

Inventing fictitious situations to justify a viewpoint makes it appear weak and unsubstantiated, in my opinion. Just say you want a gun because it makes you feel safer. That's an argument even I can get behind.

February 24, 2005 I was sitting at my desk on a very normal day. A few seconds later all of us in the office, (including my wife,) were taking gunfire through the walls and windows. We were suddenly without warning in the middle of the Smith County Courthouse shooting. Go ahead, Google it for details. We were sitting ducks as a crazy man killed his wife with a high powered rifle right before my eyes. Terrified does not begin to describe it. Had it not been for many brave police officers and a private citizen who was killed engaging the shooter, we would all have been likely killed. After a brief chase, they finally stopped him with a,,,,,, wait for it,,,,,, assault weapon! Did I blame the shooter's rifle for putting my wife and I in deadly circumstances that day? No, I blamed the shooter. Would Aussie style gun laws have prevented the shooting? Nah. He would have found a way. Last time I checked, murder was also "banned" several thousand years ago, but, well, you know. Did I go join an anti-gun group? Nope. I signed up for a class and got my concealed carry license. I never wanted to feel that helpless to protect myself and my family again. And, just a parting comment, then I'll stand aside. Those of you quoting shooting statistics, don't seem to be interested in the lives saved every year by a citizen with a legally obtained and carried handgun. Look it up.

a reply to: generik
It's way easier to get guns here in NB than it was in NY lol. And I think the registry going the way of the dinosaurs is also a good thing up here.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: LrdRedhawk
Obama should move to Australia.

we don't want him either....

originally posted by: Shadow22

originally posted by: NoRulesAllowed >> “A couple of decades ago Australia had a mass shooting similar to Columbine or Newtown, and Australia just said, ‘Well, that’s it. We’re not doing — we’re not seeing that again,’ and basically imposed very severe, tough gun laws, and they haven’t had a mass shooting since. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com... >>

originally posted by: Glassbender777 Luckily I dont live in Australia.

"Luckily"? Let's put two almost identical USAs (or Australias) there for comparison for a mind experiment. The one USA has gun control but there is no such thing as gun shootings (like the example of Australia above where they had one shooting 20 years ago and then none) - and on the other side an USA *without* gun control but mass shooting every couple of weeks almost, in schools, cinemas, malls etc.. That you say "luckily" you don't live there means you prefer to live in the country with constant shootings since you think you are more "luckier" being able to get easy access to a gun...even with more mass shootings going on? This is pretty...astonishing.....

It is indeed better and luckier not to be restricted from gun buying in the USA, unlike Australia. Because if a bunch of rogue gang members armed with knives in the outback at some camping spot came up on some "easy prey" the easy prey would be dead meat.
But if the "Easy prey" were carrying pistols they could just live to tell about it.
I bet if the "easy prey" was your daughter's you would be so glad they didn't die that day because they had guns, right?
OR sticking to your current belief system, would you rather they had gotten killed?

Add: By the way, people get stabbed and killed that way in Australia a LOT. And since hardly anyone has a gun, they can't survive the encounter.

I think Australian gun laws are too much, but your above statement is just ludicrous. Rarely do a bunch of gang members stab people at camping ground in the "outback", if ever. Maybe in the movie Mad Max..... Knife crime is not a big problem in Australia. Australia's biggest problem with violence is alcohol related violence, people heading out for the night and beating the # out of each other. Which I don't see as a major problem personally, but anyway.

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
America is a lost cause.

Your sick in the head, I don't know if its from your fast food addictions, your daily medications the TV tells you that you need or your lust for blood, but your populace clearly are not stable enough to be responsible with weapons.

Your society needs to be disarmed until your mature enough to handle these guns.

A hand gun, shot gun and/or hunting rifle are more than enough. anything more is just egotistical stupidity.

But if your only killing each others kids in schools and shopping malls then hey, who am I to complain.

I would say with a population of roughly 350 million and the equivalent number of guns, we are very stable. As far as blood lust goes you must have been looking to muslim countries in your ASSesment.

There seems to be some confusion on your part we need to be disarmed or "A hand gun, shot gun and/or hunting rifle are more than enough".

So why are you complaining then? Tell us where you're from so members can critique your country and it's laws or lawlessness. Inquiring minds want to know. This place so sucks with all of the mass killings that they are literally dying to get here from other countries.

It's awful when a boat load of haitians sinks killing many, or hispanics die in the desert from heat and dehydration but they risk it regularly, despite the death and destruction the media would have you believe. They recognise freedom, prosperity, and the not so rule of law. It's still the best place but not for long if people like you have their way.

If Benito Mussolini or Adolf Hitler were alive today I think they would shed a single tear on how their legacy left a damning imprint on their former enemy, far after their deaths.

On the flip side Americans should be DEFINITELY afraid that the neo concentration camps are just around the corner.

Doom Porn is getting spicier everyday.

I can understand why many Americans have guns,after riding a motor bike through many states for a few weeks a couple of years ago.
It's a vast country! You get trouble in some areas the police won't be able to rush round as there too isolated

Too many criminals have guns as well,so having protection for yourself and family seems a sensible idea

I do think it would be a lot safer if the weapons allowed would be revolvers,sure you can speed load but the mass killings might be prevented if after 6 shots the person has to reload

Rifles good as well for hunting and protection and shotguns

I know you like your guns and it makes all men equal but not all men are equal as we see people with serious mental issues having guns

Soon as I got to LAX airport myself and mate after checking into local hotel hit the nearest bar for a refresher and then went Into a gun range and hired a glock 9mm and learnt how to use it -it's fun

As this in an international board and Americans can get judged by the actions of their governments involvement in world issues I can say every single bar we hit on our travels had genuine friendly people coming over and saying "hi" they were so polite and told us places to see ect ect ect

The issue with guns is trying to not let maniacs get their hands on them, but how do they do that?

originally posted by: amraks

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: LrdRedhawk
Obama should move to Australia.

we don't want him either....

I was being selfish, wasn't I?

As a non-american, to me the answer is very obvious, and it's the same answer that's obvious to millions of others that don't reside in America. But whatever, I'm sure many others are sick of saying the same thing over and over and seeing the same fanatics get their back up over taking away their precious guns. American culture is strongly backed by violence likely due to decades of continually being at war with someone, the people seem to be in fear of everything around them. That's fine. Be afraid, kill each other for silly reasons and beat your chests. While you do that the rest of the developed world will continue to evolve and grow as a society while you board up your windows, plan for the apocalypse and rave about how america is the greatest country on earth.

originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: 200Plus

The number of households with a gun has been steadily dropping since 1975.

Meanwhile, there's a core of individuals (10-20%) that keep buying more and more guns and ammo. I read a study the other day that indicated they now own 65% of all guns in the US.

Astoundingly, 50% of the worlds guns are owned by private parties in the US. These are people screaming about gun grabbers and land grabbers and blood thirsty illegal aliens. It's all cooked up in their heads and some marketing department somewhere.

Murican freedom isn't free. It's steeped in crazy sauce.

Those figures might be less than accurate if you are quoting the N.Y. Times or some other propaganda mouth; the reality is look at the gun sale figures over the last 5 years and the number of first time purchasers; especially women which made up a large percentage of total sales.

PRINCETON, NJ -- Forty-seven percent of American adults currently report that they have a gun in their home or elsewhere on their property. This is up from 41% a year ago and is the highest Gallup has recorded since 1993, albeit marginally above the 44% and 45% highs seen during that period.

U.S. Gun Households, 1991-2011

The new result comes from Gallup's Oct. 6-9 Crime poll, which also finds public support for personal gun rights at a high-water mark. Given this, the latest increase in self-reported gun ownership could reflect a change in Americans' comfort with publicly stating that they have a gun as much as it reflects a real uptick in gun ownership.

Republicans (including independents who lean Republican) are more likely than Democrats (including Democratic leaners) to say they have a gun in their household: 55% to 40%. While sizable, this partisan gap is narrower than that seen in recent years, as Democrats' self-reported gun ownership spiked to 40% this year.

2002-2011 Trend: Gun in Household, by Party ID

The percentage of women who report household gun ownership is also at a new high, now registering 43%.

2002-2011 Trend: Gun in Household, by Gender

Gun ownership is more common in the South (54%) and Midwest (51%) than in the East (36%) or West (43%) -- a finding typical of Gallup's trends in gun ownership by region.

2002-2011 Trend: Gun in Household, by Region

One in Three Americans Personally Own a Gun

Since 2000, Gallup has asked respondents with guns in their households a follow-up question to determine if the gun belongs to the respondent or to someone else. On this basis, Gallup finds that 34% of all Americans personally own a gun.

The gender gap in personal gun ownership is wider than that seen for household ownership, as 46% of all adult men vs. 23% of all women say they personally own a gun.

Middle-aged adults -- those 35 to 54 years of age -- and adults with no college education are more likely than their counterparts to be gun owners.

Summary of Gun Ownership, October 2011

Bottom Line

A clear societal change took place regarding gun ownership in the early 1990s, when the percentage of Americans saying there was a gun in their home or on their property dropped from the low to mid-50s into the low to mid-40s and remained at that level for the next 15 years. Whether this reflected a true decline in gun ownership or a cultural shift in Americans' willingness to say they had guns is unclear. However, the new data suggest that attitudes may again be changing. At 47%, reported gun ownership is the highest it has been in nearly two decades -- a finding that may be related to Americans' dampened support for gun-control laws. However, to ensure that this year's increase reflects a meaningful rebound in reported gun ownership, it will be important to see whether the uptick continues in future polling.
Survey Methods

Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted Oct. 6-9, 2011, with a random sample of 1,005 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia.

For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points.

Interviews are conducted with respondents on landline telephones and cellular phones, with interviews conducted in Spanish for respondents who are primarily Spanish-speaking. Each sample includes a minimum quota of 400 cell phone respondents and 600 landline respondents per 1,000 national adults, with additional minimum quotas among landline respondents by region. Landline telephone numbers are chosen at random among listed telephone numbers. Cell phone numbers are selected using random-digit-dial methods. Landline respondents are chosen at random within each household on the basis of which member had the most recent birthday.

Samples are weighted by gender, age, race, Hispanic ethnicity, education, region, adults in the household, and phone status (cell phone only/landline only/both, cell phone mostly, and having an unlisted landline number). Demographic weighting targets are based on the March 2010 Current Population Survey figures for the aged 18 and older non-institutionalized population living in U.S. telephone households. All reported margins of sampling error include the computed design effects for weighting and sample design.

In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.

For more details on Gallup's polling methodology, visit www.gallup.com.

A couple of new studies reveal the gun-control hypesters’ worst nightmare…more people are buying firearms, while firearm-related homicides and suicides are steadily diminishing. What crackpots came up with these conclusions? One set of statistics was compiled by the U.S. Department of Justice. The other was reported by the Pew Research Center.

According to DOJ’s Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. gun-related homicides dropped 39 percent over the course of 18 years, from 18,253 during 1993, to 11,101 in 2011. During the same period, non-fatal firearm crimes decreased even more, a whopping 69 percent. The majority of those declines in both categories occurred during the first 10 years of that time frame. Firearm homicides declined from 1993 to 1999, rose through 2006, and then declined again through 2011. Non-fatal firearm violence declined from 1993 through 2004, then fluctuated in the mid-to-late 2000s.

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The Progressives and the Democrats have done more for gun sales than the darn Cartels from Mexico.. Every time POTUS opens his mouth gun sales spike.. WTG he must or his handlers own stock ?