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originally posted by: edmc^2
God IS the ONLY logical explanation to existence of the highly organized Universe!
Your turn...
originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
I think the existance of God is painfully obvious. Nothing can be created or destroyed, but simply reformatted. What does that mean? God formed the universe from His own power. It was created by Him, from Him. God is in all things.
We exist because God created us. If one cannot arrive to that understanding independantly, then they will never be ready to learn about who God is.
Atheism is total willful ignorance. Agnosticism is slighly more respectable. God creates, and God reveals Himself to all who seek.
In particular, the Big Bang model suggests that at some moment all matter in the universe was contained in a single point, which is considered the beginning of the universe.en.wikipedia.org...
originally posted by: Shadow22
a reply to: scojak
The theory doesn't fail at all.
The true fail happens when people believe they can explain the hows and the whys to existence using man made explanations.
And to the person saying God is spitefull and angry and deceptive is another big fail and only shows that those attributes describe the poster's own shortcomings in life.
God is beyond Time and thus also beyond logic. Logic can't and does not explain many things, and when it doesn't, people just say "we don't yet know"
But when people are discussing God and those same rules apply, they say "This is all BS" Why? because of personal failure, not because of any failure by God.
originally posted by: Shadow22
And to the person saying God is spitefull and angry and deceptive is another big fail and only shows that those attributes describe the poster's own shortcomings in life.
God is beyond Time and thus also beyond logic. Logic can't and does not explain many things, and when it doesn't, people just say "we don't yet know"
But when people are discussing God and those same rules apply, they say "This is all BS" Why? because of personal failure, not because of any failure by God.
originally posted by: ProfessorPlum
So the claim that "nothing created the universe" is illogical, but pushing the question back one more step and claiming "God created the universe, but nothing created God" is logical?
Checkmate. You win.
originally posted by: edmc^2
Of course it's logical for the simple fact that space is infinite and has always existed and uncreated. Unless of course you're telling me that there's no such thing as infinite space then you win. But the reality it exist and IS INFINITE. Q to you then is do you believe that it is?
In addition if you think about it, that is, if there's no such thing as the concept of INFINITY then we're left with what? Other than nothing, we're left with the FINITE. And what is FINITE but something that has a beginning or an end. Of course! Besides, "nothing" is also a form of infinity - infinite nothingness. And since the universe had a beginning so it follows that it's FINITE. Hence, it must then follow by necessity or by divine providence (in my case) a product of something bigger than "itself" - the INFINITE.
originally posted by: mOjOm
I have a problem understanding how you justify the claim that your God, Jehovah (or otherwise) is Infinite. He, God, does have certain attributes and characteristics which would limit him from being Infinite. For example he is said to be Jealous, Kind, Loving, Gracious, etc. However is he also Hateful, Spiteful, Angry, Mean, Deceptive, etc.??? If he is some of those and not others than how is he Infinite???
originally posted by: mOjOm
originally posted by: edmc^2
Of course it's logical for the simple fact that space is infinite and has always existed and uncreated. Unless of course you're telling me that there's no such thing as infinite space then you win. But the reality it exist and IS INFINITE. Q to you then is do you believe that it is?
I thought you said that the universe was finite???
In addition if you think about it, that is, if there's no such thing as the concept of INFINITY then we're left with what? Other than nothing, we're left with the FINITE. And what is FINITE but something that has a beginning or an end. Of course! Besides, "nothing" is also a form of infinity - infinite nothingness. And since the universe had a beginning so it follows that it's FINITE. Hence, it must then follow by necessity or by divine providence (in my case) a product of something bigger than "itself" - the INFINITE.