House Majority Leader Cantor defeated in primary

a reply to: Grimpachi

baby steps... you can't take down an establishiment like the DEM-REP LEft-Right deal in one election... BUT.. you can put thorns in their side while you gather New blood...

It will take time... the more WE send new folks, DEM, REP, TEA, GREEN, Constitution ETC, to represent us.. the closer we will get to reigning in the chaos that the established party's have done with our precious form of Governing...

If folks in a district of Virginia, can toss the leader of the House, it should give folks hope that their voice/vote counts...

Flip the script on the status quo.... damn the media.... damn the party...

THink for yourself... who know's better your situation? Who's out there connecting with YOU and your family?

rambling once again.. just feel good about the folks in my state...

originally posted by: LeatherNLace

originally posted by: Bassago
Wow I almost don't believe this, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor just lost the primary to a member of the Tea Party. This is great news as far as I'm concerned.

Cockstrong, this one is. I'd hold on to that bravado fella...a huge portion of those that didn't want a Tee-party candidate have now decided to vote Democrat on election day...enjoy while you can; the pleasure will be very shot lived.

That political movement has sold out, gone into extremism and has lost all credibility with all but a small fraction of America.

You're pretty funny. No one I know is voting Democrat and most or switching from Democrat to Republican, and I'm in a heavy Democrat area.

a reply to: Aazadan

The last time the Republicans had a super majority as well as a president to go along with it was 2004.

Yes Republicans.

Not "Tea Party" or "Libertarians" (that would be heavy right Libertarians).

My quote was responding to a "Tea Party" question. Not Republican questions.

Big difference on all fronts.

Mainline Republicans are actually Left of Center. Not my cup of "Tea".

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: BubbaJoe

Really am too young to remember the Reagon years, you sir are nothing more than a neo-con troll. Your sense of right will never come true in this world. If it does, I hope I am gone, but then I am sure I am far younger than you, and you will leave this world long before I.

UUoooooo that breaks my heart !!

This "victory" isn't a guarantee of a seat in Congress.

The guy still has to win in November.

But I understand the feeling of ice forming on the back of your neck and I understand the numb feeling in the teeth when you bite into an icy cold popsickle on a hot day.

Panik Incorporated indeed !!

Seriously tea party fools astound me, they win a primary, taking out someone that has a great many years of congressional experience, and they rejoice. Amazes the hell out of me. Cantor and I would be on opposite sides, but I bet we could have negotiated. Tea Party AssHats have no idea what that term means, and it is all or nothing. The American public is tired of the TP crap, and yeah you might have a win here and there, bring something to the national platform, didn't work out so well in 2012, and probably won't in 2016 either. They open their mouths and prove themselves to be idiots.

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: BubbaJoe

No the "right" will only hurt minorities, women's reproductive choices, and the poor, good try. Founding fathers, constitution, bill of rights, blacks are only 3/5ths, women were nothing, campaign on that why don't ya, and all of America will see where your heart lies.

All B.S.

We are talking about TODAY, not 200 years ago

[shakes head and twists neck]

They will back the enforcement of laws and the Constitution.

That includes all of your above.

All citizens will benefit without the Central Committee.

Sorry Komrade.

No not BS, your whole Libertarian/Rand Paul/Rebublican is BS. But you and your ilk will whole heartedley support documents from 200 years ago that exempted everyone but wealthy land owners, own up to it. Name one signer of the constistution that wasn't a wealthy, WHITE, landowner. You guys brag about this crap, but you do not believe in equality for anyone, that doesn't look, or act like you. 2nd Amendment all the way, even though we have never read it, damn it, if only we could read.

For some reason I think you're a racist. You are an angry little person and I can't wait for the Dems to lose in November and send all you packing. What does WHITE have to do with anything? There's a Black President in office, well he likes to say he's black whenever it's convenient for him.

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: BubbaJoe

Really am too young to remember the Reagon years, you sir are nothing more than a neo-con troll. Your sense of right will never come true in this world. If it does, I hope I am gone, but then I am sure I am far younger than you, and you will leave this world long before I.

UUoooooo that breaks my heart !!

This "victory" isn't a guarantee of a seat in Congress.

The guy still has to win in November.

But I understand the feeling of ice forming on the back of your neck and I understand the numb feeling in the teeth when you bite into an icy cold popsickle on a hot day.

Panik Incorporated indeed !!

Seriously tea party fools astound me, they win a primary, taking out someone that has a great many years of congressional experience, and they rejoice. Amazes the hell out of me. Cantor and I would be on opposite sides, but I bet we could have negotiated. Tea Party AssHats have no idea what that term means, and it is all or nothing. The American public is tired of the TP crap, and yeah you might have a win here and there, bring something to the national platform, didn't work out so well in 2012, and probably won't in 2016 either. They open their mouths and prove themselves to be idiots.

Tell me how much experience Obama had? Zero, all he had was lies and no history to run on. I'd rather have a tea party asshat as you call it than I socialist democrat any day. Maybe we should move you, asshat, to the border of AZ/Mexico and see your tune change, buddy.

a reply to: JacKatMtn

... in a realigned district... Cantor used to be in my voting district til a couple of years ago...

I forgot about that. The leadership of both parties tend run uncontested by the other party.

Since Brat is a Republican in that district, he has an pretty good chance to win.

a reply to: JacKatMtn

JacKat...just want to give the fine people of your State of VA. a big round of...



For starting the ball rolling in the right direction, and setting a great example of making change happen....

Just a great bunch of people you have there....I'll be doing my part in Ga, to kick the ball along towards kicking the dried up old incestuous career politicians to the curb...

The numbers are in. Cantor spent over 5 million on this campaign...Brat spent 100 thousand dollars. It feels good to see someone who didn't buy their way in, for a change.

Des

a reply to: Bassago

This is a start. Get rid of all the incumbent bums from both sides!

originally posted by: Bassago
Please support that and back it up with facts. Here's what the Tea Party stands for. Tell us what you disagree with.

1. Illegal aliens are here illegally - I agree with that basic premise but so far they haven't proposed any viable solution. I think they're right to demand we secure the border before addressing the problem but they have yet to put forward any other type of solution. Amnsety isn't the ideal solution but it's something that we can do, I'm open to other ideas though. Amnesty atleast brings these people into the tax base and eliminates an underclass of citizen that is forced to work under the table for lower wages bringing down the labor value of everyone else. It was good enough for Reagan afterall, we just didn't follow through on the border side of things.



2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable - That sounds great but it goes against one of their other tenets which is that of a free market. In a free market corporations will go to where things are cheapest. We're a first world nation (or possibly second world now), in either case our labor costs and demands on corporations not killing us in work conditions/pollution cannot compete with third world countries. Bringing the corporations and associated jobs back to the US is a good thing but there's no actual solution proposed to do that. To give an example, lets say we give corporations a 0% tax rate which competes with Ireland (where many are already incorporated) why are they going to move? What happens if Ireland or another nation gives the corporations a -1% tax rate? How are we supposed to compete with labor costs even if the tax issue is solved? The way to fix this involves the government stepping in and telling corporations that if they want to sell their products here they need to provide jobs here. This goes against the very idea of a free market.

3. A strong military is essential - How strong does a military need to be? The strongest military the world has ever seen in times of war was the US capability during WW2. That is now being seen as the capability we need to sit on in times of peace, and then scale up to even more in times of conflict. That is simply way too expensive to maintain and there is no need. We don't need the passive capability to simultaneously invade two countries while locking down the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans.

4. Special interests must be eliminated - I agree there.

5. Gun ownership is sacred - I wouldn't call it sacred. That says the laws in the Constitution and the Constitution itself is sacred and it's not. It's the political work of man. Reverence of the Constitution isn't a good thing, understanding it and knowing when it should change is. I'm on the side of people having guns, infact the NRA would probably call me crazy with the extent to which I believe citizens should have arms and how that should relate to government arms (suffice it to say I don't believe any weapons should be in the hands of only the government... aside from WMD's and only because of the political consequences attached to them). However preaching a doctrine of "right to bear arms" isn't good and isn't healthy. Rights like this can only be affirmed and reaffirmed through debate. In my opinion if someone isn't willing to put their rights up for debate, defend them, and in some cases expand them they don't deserve to have them in the first place. The simple argument of "the Constitution says we have the right to bear arms" is a joke.

6. Government must be downsized - But isn't the military part of the government?

7. The national budget must be balanced - #6 is really just a subset of this. The budget does need to be balanced, but taking a platform of gutting everything other than defense isn't the way to do it. If we're going to cut things, cut from everything. Put tax increases on the table too. Pledges to never raise taxes don't do anyone any good. After the budget is balanced, then look for ways to create a surplus in order to pay for things that we should have (safety nets, education, defense, etc).

8. Deficit spending must end - This is just a part of #7. However it's actually healthiest to run a slight deficit (around 1-2% of total spending).

9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal - I wouldn't say illegal but I certainly don't like them happening. There's national security issues to consider too. If we let the automotive industry fail for example our ability to transport people and goods in the event of emergency becomes compromised. Similarly if we had let the banks completely fail half the people in the country would have become bankrupt with no retirements. Neither of these are good things, we would be suffering unemployment effects for the next 30 years as would be retirees had to continue to work their entire lives taking up job slots. I like the way the automotive bailout was handled. It was a loan, it helped the people, it helped the country, and we made a profit on it. The companies were also restructured to avoid future problems. I do not like the way the financial bailout was handled. I could write pages on everything wrong there but suffice it to say it needed to happen but virtually everything about it needed to be different.

10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must - I disagree. All taxes are personal taxes. Businesses pass the cost of all taxes on to the people. So we pay for them no matter what. Taxes in my opinion are too low right now.

11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory - I see it as completely irrelevant. Any taxes they pay are paid by the individual. If it makes people happy sure, reduce them to 0. The problem is 0 isn't the bottom point. There's countries in the world which give corporations negative tax rates. We can't race people to the bottom because there is no bottom.

12. Political offices must be available to average citizens - The idea that anyone can run and win is important. The reality is that I don't want average or below average citizens in office. That however is for voters to decide. I want a system where anyone can run in a fair election and win or lose on their record and ideas.

13. Intrusive government must be stopped - I agree here but intrusive government is a vague statement. I suspect I'll agree on many details and disagree on many.

14. English as our core language is required - Disagree. I don't want a national language. This is a country for everyone who wants to join. That whole "Give me your poor, your tied, and your sick" line. If people want to speak their language then let them. If they have a problem communicating then they should learn a language they can use.

15. Traditional family values are encouraged - Traditional according to who? Traditional Christian values? Disagree entirely. Traditional Islamic values? Disagree entirely. Traditional Atheist values? Disagree entirely. It's up for individuals to decide on their values, government doesn't need to dictate to me what my values should be.

a reply to: Bassago

I agree about this being good news. I am really curious to see what the midterms are going to bring. I think this event I possibility the beginning of something much larger.

I really do think our elected officials are underestimating the mood of the American people.

Trading that asshat in for a junior Senator? I'm okay with this.

Cantor lost??? What a great day this is! Man's an asshat!

a reply to: Aazadan

I see your views here as being pretty damn sensible. I wish that this way of parsing the issues (in a nuanced, response-based manner) could become popular again. It was during Reagan's GOP, but that was a long time ago (politically speaking). Lee Atwater's invention of the 8-Second Soundbite strategy (1988 Bush/Quayle campaign) took nuanced thinking out of the political process forever. Too bad. It takes that kind of thinking to actually govern a nation of people.

a reply to: BubbaJoe

Yep the old negotiations have played well in the USA with just a sampling of 10 things that make us look like idiots

Number 10) Only in America ...could politicians talk about the greed of the rich at a $35,000.00 per plate campaign fund-raising event.

Number 9) Only in America ...could people claim that the government still discriminates against black Americans when they have a black President, a black Attorney General and roughly 20% of the federal workforce is black while only 14% of the population is black 40+% of all federal entitlements goes to black Americans - 3X the rate that go to whites, 5X the rate that go to Hispanics!

Number 8) Only in America...could they have had the two people most responsible for our tax code, Timothy Geithner (the head of the Treasury Department) and Charles Rangel (who once ran the Ways and Means Committee), BOTH turn out to be tax cheats who are in favor of higher taxes.

Number 7) Only in America...can they have terrorists kill people in the name of Allah and have the media primarily react by fretting that Muslims might be harmed by the backlash.

Number 6) Only in America...would they make people who want to legally become American citizens wait for years in their home countries and pay tens of thousands of dollars for the privilege, while they discuss letting anyone who sneaks into the country illegally just 'magically' become American citizens (probably should be number one).

Number 5) Only in America ....could the people who believe in balancing the budget and sticking by the country's Constitution be thought of as "extremists."

Number 4) Only in America ...could you need to present a driver's license to cash a check or buy alcohol, but not to vote.

Number 3) Only in America ...could people demand the government investigate whether oil companies are gouging the public because the price of gas went up when the return on equity invested in a major U.S. Oil company(Marathon Oil) is less than half of a company making tennis shoes (Nike).

Number 2) Only in America....could the government collect more tax dollars from the people than any nation in recorded history, still spend a Trillion dollars more than it has per year - for total spending of $7-Million PER MINUTE, and complain that it doesn't have nearly enough money.

And Number 1) Only in America...could the rich people - who pay 86% of all income taxes - be accused of not paying their "fair share" by people who don't pay any income taxes at all !

I did not write these 10 but I can not find fault with J. from Canada who did.

Thank God! Finally the people get some say in what our out of control government does (Rep/Dem/All). I also LOVE how the GOP reacted...shock and awe. As much as I loathe the dems, the GOP needed this slap in the face. Hey guys...we don't need YOU...we need representation of OUR wishes. And...we didn't elect YOU to do whatever YOU want. YOU ARE A PUPPET AND A MOUTHPIECE FOR US! When you don't do what we tell you to do...you're out of a job.

THAT message needs to be sent to the president and down to the last government employee. Look DOWN to where we are and do the work we pay you to do. Don't look up and think you are protected by those who think they are untouchable...because they are not. WE are the United States and WE are America. Not these losers in Washington. And then watch the world sigh in relief when we take OUR country back from the hands of these assholes.

And I'm sooo happy I'm going to add a little more.

To all our elected officials. Welcome to the job. You are a temporary employee of the people. You WILL execute the will of the people who put you in this job as best you can. You WILL follow through on the promises you made during your campaign as best you can. When something new comes up...you WILL ask our opinion and will then execute that view as best you can. DON'T THINK too much...that is OUR job. You will NOT default from OUR wishes. You will NOT do anything or spend a penny to get re-elected...that is also OUR job. And regardless if the world thinks you are an ass, or if it hurts your future career, you will DO AS YOU ARE TOLD BY US. You are a MOUTHPIECE for the people that voted you into office and as my Father told me, WE will tell you...we brought you into this position and we can take you out.

And finally...GET TO WORK! I'm not paying you to sit on your ass!

a reply to: buster2010

That is the biggest problem with America, you are very right, people just complain, bash the opposing party in power, but then get stuck with the same old trash when their party wins, to bash all over again the opposing party for making hard for their party.

At the end, two parties in the US are nothing more than a dictatorship of career politicians that are already pocketed by interest and their list of corruption is as long as the years they has been in their positions like monarchies.

So sad, I can see that nothing have change, somebody got elected in primaries, to replace the one that so far is nothing but a piece of crap, but at the end one crap is just replacing the last crap and that is how is been for decades in Americas dirty politics.

I cried, because Americans have not learned a darn thing, that is why we are in the mess we are now.

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
And I'm sooo happy I'm going to add a little more.

And finally...GET TO WORK! I'm not paying you to sit on your ass!

Sadly, big interest do.

a reply to: 727Sky

Who are you??????????, I have become your humble servant, my friend, I bow to your thread and I would make a long slogan just to anger those that think that the politic rats of their party of choice will make a difference.