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Texas GOP endorses ‘treatment’ for homosexuality

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posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 11:47 AM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

I wasn't sure what you were saying in your earlier post. Saying that gay people don't feel the same way towards members of the opposite sex is something of a stretch in my opinion.


If gay people felt towards the opposite sex the way I feel towards the opposite sex, they'd have sex with them.


And I stand by my viewing your earlier statements with some astonishment. Are you still claiming that we should only have sex to procreate and that masturbation is somehow perverted?


Maybe. Idk. We have sex due to a desire for pleasure. What flyer's fan pointed out and what the current research that supports your side states is that there is no difference between a gay's desire for pleasure than there is a straight person's. That study is inconclusive. It is inconclusive because it doesn't address the fact that the desire is a means to an end of pleasure but the pleasure is a means of an end to procreation. That is where gay people fail (maybe not masturbators and maybe not bisexuals.). That is where the same logic sequence of what is called, "psychological adjustment" discounts the theory of gays having a "normal variation of human sexuality".

To put it another way, the study that suggest gay people have a normal variation of human sexuality is based on their psychological adjustment of the relationship between desire and pleasure. The study is inconclusive because it doesn't address psychological adjustment of the relationship between pleasure and procreation.

Sex feels good because if it didn't we wouldn't do it. If we didn't do it, we wouldn't exist. Desire is not a means to an end of pleasure, but a means to an end of procreation. If someone's brain's sexual mechanics prevents them from achieving the proper end, then there is an open wire in the digital logic circuit. If you can't follow that logic, it is your own short-coming.

Again, I'm not here to hate on anyone. I don't hate gay people. I don't hate any of you. I'm just here as a representative of the other side of the argument. I believe the studies are inconclusive and more research needs to be done.




posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 11:50 AM
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originally posted by: smithjustinb
Because we're all affected by it.

Absolutely...


Here are 4 examples of past civilizations that have glorified homosexual behavior. Each of these cultures experienced God’s judgment:

1. Sodom and Gomorrah (destroyed ca. 2075 B.C.)
2. Gibeah in Benjamin (destroyed ca. 1300 B.C.)
3. Greek Empire (became a Roman province by 146 B.C.)
4. Roman Empire (last emperor was in 476 A.D.)

I got beside the angel. He showed me all of California. He showed me all the cities of California. Then he showed me Las Vegas. "You see what I have shown you. This is Sodom and Gomorrah. In one day it will burn." He said, "Its sin has reached the Holy One."

He showed me another great city. He said, "Do you know what city this is?"

I said, "No."

He said, "This is New York City. This is Sodom and Gomorrah. In one day it will burn."

He showed me Florida. He said, "This is Florida. This is Sodom and Gomorrah. In one day it will burn."

He didn't let me say a word until he brought me back to the place we had left. He said, "Now, Dumitru, you can talk to me."

He said, "I brought you to this country, Dumitru. I want to wake up a lot of people. I love this country. I love the people. I want to save them. America will burn."

Source


Homosexuality is just one out of MANY things that we are all affected by.

Abortion, drugs, crime, etc, etc.

We've ALL been lied to...

These are all just symptoms of a much deeper problem.

One does not TREAT sin.

People have turned their back on God and rejected their true purpose in life.


Homosexual behavior is a sign that a culture has rejected God’s purpose for them, and the only way to avoid judgment is to repent. centralministries.com...

LIE #1: Some people are born homosexual.

FACT: There is no conclusive scientific evidence for any genetic trait causing homosexuality, bisexuality, or transgendered desires.

Lies about Homosexuality

Jerry Newcombe, co-host of the television program Truth that Transforms, says that not only is there a real “agenda,” he compares it to the iceberg that took down the Titanic 100 years ago. “The radical homosexual agenda is advancing, dulling our sense of righteousness and undermining the American family.” Newcombe calls the agenda a “moral iceberg” and claims that it is “ripping a hole in the structure of America, and we’re taking on water.”

Michael Brown summarizes the goals of the agenda this way:

-- Whereas homosexuality was once considered a pathological disorder, from here on those who do not affirm homosexuality will be deemed homophobic, perhaps themselves suffering from a pathological disorder.

-- Whereas gay sexual behavior was once considered morally wrong, from here on public condemnation—or even public criticism—of that behavior will be considered morally wrong.

-- Whereas identifying as transgender was once considered abnormal by society, causing one to be marginalized, from here on those who do not accept transgenderism will be considered abnormal and will be marginalized...

The Not-So-Hidden Homosexual Agenda




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posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 11:53 AM
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originally posted by: jrod

originally posted by: smithjustinb

Don't know what you people have against research.


Pot meet kettle.

It is unanimous with those who research human behavior and sexuality(scientific studies that do NOT have a religious agenda). The all agree there is NOTHING wrong with homosexual and bisexual behavior.

So what do you have against their research?


Just because their bias isn't religious doesn't mean they aren't biased. The better question is what do any of you have against my main point, listed above. That their conclusion is based on the psychological adjustment of desire to pleasure but is inconclusive due to its failure to include the psychological adjustment of pleasure to procreation in the study?

If you want to have an actual debate with me, rather than an emotional one, that's what you need to address.
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posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 11:57 AM
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a reply to: HardCorps


Politicians and TPTB and TPTwannabees, just use social issues as means to an end,

When you out live your usefulness as a puppet, played by the puppet masters, and the winds of change shift, they will drop your cause like a hot potato,


Ever notice how fundamental some groups are that align themselves with the democrat party or liberal agenda, they are just wolves in sheep's clothing waiting for their chance to gain control.

then poof, all the rights you fought for, all gone, swing goes the pendulum.
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posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 12:00 PM
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originally posted by: smithjustinb
What flyer's fan pointed out and what the current research that supports your side states is that there is no difference between a gay's desire for pleasure than there is a straight person's. That study is inconclusive.


This post shows you are a closed minded bigot. Referring to someone like that dehumanizes them. This post could be reported for a ToC violation. I will not report you because I know you are ignorant and simply do not know better. Hopefully you can realize how wrong you are.

This is my take on your reasoning in this thread: You do not like what science suggests, so in your mind science must be wrong.



posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 12:00 PM
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a reply to: smithjustinb

The Scientific Method is not biased.

2nd line.

2's



posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 12:03 PM
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a reply to: smithjustinb




Why are you so mad? Why do you have to resort to name calling? You're the only one being hateful. All I've said is that there is something wrong with gay people.
Quoted so perhaps youll read it and think about it.



That's not hate, its just an observation and comparison to people who use their parts for what their parts are intended for.
Youve admitted time and time again its a topic you know nothing about.




playing the devil's advocate and bringing information to the table
no, you arent. In fact, you have openly admitted that you have nothing to back up your claims.



posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 12:04 PM
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a reply to: Murgatroid
>uneducated
>lacks a well constructed argument
"Quick, better start quoting the bible! That will help me win my argument for sure."




posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 12:05 PM
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originally posted by: Xaphan

You claim in one of your posts that you are only 'advocating research'. And even if it is an "illness" like you say, how exactly is it a harmful illness?


Are there any illnesses that aren't, in some way, harmful?


How does it have a negative effect on YOUR life?


It makes no difference to me what one individual does with another individual in their private moments. I care about this issue because I see America heading in the wrong direction. We need to have all the facts before we start forcing people to tolerate this condition and accept it as normal. I don't think its normal. A lot of people don't think its normal. So its important for people like me to stand up and advocate better research before tolerance becomes law and we turn out to be wrong.



posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 12:07 PM
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originally posted by: jrod

originally posted by: smithjustinb
What flyer's fan pointed out and what the current research that supports your side states is that there is no difference between a gay's desire for pleasure than there is a straight person's. That study is inconclusive.


This post shows you are a closed minded bigot. Referring to someone like that dehumanizes them.


Whatever dude.



posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 12:10 PM
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originally posted by: jrod
This is my take on your reasoning in this thread: You do not like what science suggests, so in your mind science must be wrong.


Yet your take on my reasoning still fails to address the counter point I made using the same scientific logic as the studies which support your side of the argument used. I never said science was wrong. I only said it was inconclusive. I offered more information to the inconclusive discussion and made it that much less inconclusive. Yet you fail to address that information directly.



posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 12:11 PM
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Except for the fact they want to put their pee pees where they don't belong.


Lmao... you know the number of heterosexual who has anal sex is higher than homosexuals right? and its not always women in the receiving end(even in a heterosexual relationship).

Stop conforming into certain aspects, people are different.

Who care what they do with their own body in first place?


lol... it sad to see you are one of those "i hate them because they have butt sex".



posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 12:11 PM
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originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

I wasn't sure what you were saying in your earlier post. Saying that gay people don't feel the same way towards members of the opposite sex is something of a stretch in my opinion.


If gay people felt towards the opposite sex the way I feel towards the opposite sex, they'd have sex with them.


And I stand by my viewing your earlier statements with some astonishment. Are you still claiming that we should only have sex to procreate and that masturbation is somehow perverted?


Maybe. Idk. We have sex due to a desire for pleasure. What flyer's fan pointed out and what the current research that supports your side states is that there is no difference between a gay's desire for pleasure than there is a straight person's. That study is inconclusive. It is inconclusive because it doesn't address the fact that the desire is a means to an end of pleasure but the pleasure is a means of an end to procreation. That is where gay people fail (maybe not masturbators and maybe not bisexuals.). That is where the same logic sequence of what is called, "psychological adjustment" discounts the theory of gays having a "normal variation of human sexuality".

To put it another way, the study that suggest gay people have a normal variation of human sexuality is based on their psychological adjustment of the relationship between desire and pleasure. The study is inconclusive because it doesn't address psychological adjustment of the relationship between pleasure and procreation.

Sex feels good because if it didn't we wouldn't do it. If we didn't do it, we wouldn't exist. Desire is not a means to an end of pleasure, but a means to an end of procreation. If someone's brain's sexual mechanics prevents them from achieving the proper end, then there is an open wire in the digital logic circuit. If you can't follow that logic, it is your own short-coming.

Again, I'm not here to hate on anyone. I don't hate gay people. I don't hate any of you. I'm just here as a representative of the other side of the argument. I believe the studies are inconclusive and more research needs to be done.


I'm sorry, but when I have sex with my wife it's not to procreate, nor do I link my desire for her to a general 'let's go procreate!' feeling.



posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 12:13 PM
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originally posted by: captaintyinknots
a reply to: smithjustinb



playing the devil's advocate and bringing information to the table
no, you arent. In fact, you have openly admitted that you have nothing to back up your claims.



Prematurely. Then I read up on it and educated myself. Then my authority to speak in this thread increased. Then I presented a counter point against the currently accepted conclusion of the studies that suggest homosexuality is a normal variation of human sexuality. And I have yet to hear a counter point against my own.



posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 12:15 PM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

I'm sorry, but when I have sex with my wife it's not to procreate,


You're wrong about that. It is to procreate. Even though you aren't consciously saying, "i'm doing this to procreate", subconsciously, that is why weiners were made to go into vaginas. That's why you're doing it. That's the human design. You are behaving according to the design (not necessarily intelligent design by a religious figure). Whether you are aware of it or not.



posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 12:17 PM
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originally posted by: luciddream


Lmao... you know the number of heterosexual who has anal sex is higher than homosexuals right?


That is a perversion.


lol... it sad to see you are one of those "i hate them because they have butt sex".


I don't hate anyone.



posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 12:18 PM
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originally posted by: smithjustinb
Don't know what you people have against research.

I posted research. You refused to acknowledge the truth of it because it disagrees with your position. So ..."I don't know what you have against research' ... backatchya.




originally posted by: Murgatroid
Homosexuality is just one out of MANY things that we are all affected by.

What two consenting adults sexually do in the privacy of their own bedroom does NOT affect you. Not one little bit.

You posted some random fundamentalist 'prophecy' as proof that homosexuality is wrong? I can show you the prophecy forum here littered with failed religious prophecies. You actually posted an opinion piece about homosexuals not being born that way, even after I posted MOUNTAINS of evidence that says they are indeed? You posted unsubstantiated bible stories in which ignorant peasants blamed the destruction of their cities on God being angry with homosexuals. Seriously? Dude .. that's just a bunch of stories and not PROOF of anything let alone that somehow people being homosexual affects everyone. Your far right anti-homosexual propaganda is hilarious ... I"ll give you that.

How about posting some scientifically proven facts instead of 'doom porn prophecy' and unsubstantiated stories by peasants about what they think God did? That would be something worthy of discussion.



posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 12:20 PM
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a reply to: smithjustinb

Then why do people choose not to have children? I know several and they stuck to it until old age. Are they mentally ill too?



posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 12:20 PM
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originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: jrod
This is my take on your reasoning in this thread: You do not like what science suggests, so in your mind science must be wrong.


I never said science was wrong. I only said it was inconclusive.
your exact words:
"I don't need science to tell me that. Since science currently disagrees, its also obvious, to me, that they are missing something"

Flat out, you are saying that unless science agrees with you, you consider it wrong.



posted on Jun, 11 2014 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: Xaphan
a reply to: Murgatroid
>uneducated
>lacks a well constructed argument
"Quick, better start quoting the bible! That will help me win my argument for sure."

What you call education, I call indoctrination.

I have absolutely NO interest winning an argument.

I come to ATS for one reason...

To know the truth and to share it with others so that they can see it for themselves.

SOME of us have enough sense to realize the difference between education and truth.

Just like the MSM, education and the control of knowledge is nothing but a mind control technique.


As another man without a high school diploma, I discovered many years ago that the "educated" class is generally not educated at all, it is mis-educated. The whole purpose of American (perhaps all "western") "higher education" is obviously to bring minds into lock step with "The Agenda." As a general rule, the less official American education a person has been exposed to, the greater his/her ration of common sense.

"Education" is Spiritual Suicide




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