Wake Up World: The Rise Of Fascism in Europe.

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posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 10:40 AM
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I am really worried. I never have and never will vote for UKIP. They are a dangerous party with very racist views. And yet people in the UK have blindly voted for UKIP not realising the danger they pose. I absolutely despair. At least the BNP have been broken which can only be a good thing. I had to laugh when they called UKIP as being racist, which is true, but the BNP as just as bad!

I don't know if it is my imagination or me reading too much into things. But I am alarmed by the European Election results. Right across Europe, right wing parties have been elected to the European parliament. I suppose I don't have the right to make comparisons as I don't yet have enough knowledge of European history in the 1930s. But I cant help but think we are seeing a kind of repeat of events in the 1920s and 1930s. And we all know what that led to!

I promise you one thing though. I will fight with every inch of my fibre against the likes of UKIP or any other right wing party that brings so much hatred and ignorance into the political arena. I never will forget Terezin. Need I go on?



However I have made a decision today, actually the decision has been a few months in the making as I have been increasingly concerned by what is happening. I have been mulling over things today and today I am resolute. But I am unsure as to how to proceed with things. I want to fight the far right parties such as UKIP from gaining dominance in this country. But I am also concerned that across Europe the same thing is happening. Golden Dawn in Greece for example and Front National in France.

I have debated this issue incognito online on one or two forums. The level of denial about what is happening is staggering. Are people so blind and ignorant about what is going on? But I am concerned enough now to feel that the time has come to be more proactive and more open with my opposition against the re emergence of fascism in Europe. Admittedly I am inspired by two friends of mine whom mean a great deal to me, but in truth I have been increasingly worried since well, summer of last year. What really did it for me was the recent European Elections. I want to make an active stand against what is happening, but HOW? I can take part in a demonstration, I have never been to one before. But I cannot stand idly by anymore. It is time to choose what side of the fence you are on, and I for one choose to stand up against what is happening. I don't know what frightens me more, people blindly voting UKIP (or any other right wing party) thinking oh it is a protest vote and wont matter, but it DOES matter. or the mainstream parties dithering and not realising the threat that is coming. I fear this is the beginning of something much more insidious.

I for one will not watch and do nothing. I WILL fight this, I just need to find a way of doing so safely. But you know, sometimes in a political fight such as this, things are bound to get nasty. People have their own agendas. My only agenda is to stop this emerging threat. I am not interested in anything else.

I know I have a hell of a lot to learn, and although I am more awake than say people at work, I AM politically naïve when it comes to this sort of fight. So I do need to research things. And quickly. But learn I shall. Ignorance is not an excuse. It is time to make a stand. It is time to say no. The time is now, before the lights begin to go out across Europe

Will you join me and stand up against a threat so insidious and a threat to ALL of us? All thoughts and comments welcomed.




posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 10:47 AM
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How is UKIP racist?

They want to come out of the EU, and they want a temporary moratorium on immigration.

Which part of that is racist?



posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 10:49 AM
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I agree with this and can not believe the alleged support of the UKIP here in the UK.
Get ready for Nazi Britain and start growing that moustache



posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 10:51 AM
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a reply to: Wirral Bagpuss

My advice to you is to stop using the word "racist". It's overused down to the nubs. Meaningless.

You want to resist cultural bias, ignorance, bullying authoritarians? great. Just drop the R word and get down to the real behaviors.



posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 10:55 AM
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So far we've had the R word and the N word.

Good start.



posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 10:58 AM
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a reply to: CJCrawley

Sajjad Karim alleged quote proves he is a racist!

in a sign of the growing animosity between Conservatives and UKIP, a Tory MEP has dredged up damaging allegations of racist comments by Nigel Farage. Sajjad Karim — the first British Muslim to be elected to the European Parliament — claimed on his official Facebook page that Farage had told party activists:

“we will never win the 'n-word' vote. The nig-nogs will never vote for us.”

politicalscrapbook.net...'n-word'-comments/sajjad-karim-facebook-farage/



posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 11:01 AM
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originally posted by: CJCrawley
How is UKIP racist?

They want to come out of the EU, and they want a temporary moratorium on immigration.

Which part of that is racist?


They ARE racist. The mask of their deception slipped recently and they tried to cover it up as this link shows

www.euractiv.com...



posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 11:03 AM
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The rise in right wing politics is absolutely inevitable and a direct reaction to the stifling, controlling, "sinister" EU.



posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 11:04 AM
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originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: Wirral Bagpuss

My advice to you is to stop using the word "racist". It's overused down to the nubs. Meaningless.

You want to resist cultural bias, ignorance, bullying authoritarians? great. Just drop the R word and get down to the real behaviors.


I will stand by my observations. UKIP does have racist members in it's party. It has been well documented. In a bid to curtail accusations Farage himself had to sack a few members and even a newly elected MEP.



posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 11:15 AM
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a reply to: Wirral Bagpuss

For a start, what Farage said was not racist...unless Romanians are a "race".

Xenophobic, possibly. Racist, no.

He was highlighting a real concern for many Britons about high levels of immigration from poorer parts of the EU.

He was quite right to do so.

He could have used more diplomatic language, but the point was made.



posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 11:15 AM
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a reply to: CJCrawley

I guess anyone who isn't liberal must be a nazi. Political polarization is alive and well in Europe, too.



posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 11:16 AM
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a reply to: Wirral Bagpuss

Wirral Bagpuss,

I could not agree with your sentiments more.

For those asking how UKIP are racist just for believing that we should not be in Europe and so on... Well clearly you folk have not been paying the least bit of attention. Yes, it is true that UKIP are a party which desires a split from the EU, and massive changes to immigration and all manner of other popular policies. But those policies alone are not all that they represent, and no matter what shiny policies they swing in front of us now, the manner of governance that one can expect should they reach the top of British politics is of a kind not seen in Europe since we got rid of that short stacked, moustachioed buffoon who killed lots of millions of people leading up to and during the Second World War.

Now, I believe it is vital that those of us with the ability to remember history, remember the words our grandfathers spoke to us of those dark times, when not only our nation, but indeed the whole world was plunged into chaos and threatened at some point with slaughter and mayhem, actually band together and stand against any and all extremist activity.



posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 11:32 AM
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I feel that the UKIP vote was a protest vote. It is Europe and there was only a 36% turnout. People are getting fed up and this is a safe way of expression that. No doubt next year for the general election things will be different and UKIP wont get much of a look in. Having said that, if they bring some good policies to the table who knows?

As for this happening across Europe, I can only suggest that they too have had enough with our bumbling governments and want to make a noise about it.

I do think that if there had been a larger turnout, things might have been different.

Personally I think everyone should vote with the additional option to spoil your card, which should also be counted, if you feel your choice is not represented.


(post by ReubenSchwartzschild removed for a manners violation)

posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 12:08 PM
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They sound a little bit like the Republicans here in the states. They want to get rid of wind farm subsidies and increase defense spending by 40%. Are they looking to go to war with someone?



posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 12:14 PM
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originally posted by: YarlanZey
I feel that the UKIP vote was a protest vote. It is Europe and there was only a 36% turnout. People are getting fed up and this is a safe way of expression that.

I agree, we can see that in Greece, for example, the most voted parties were the most extreme, left and right.

Some years ago, my boss told me that we will probably see a rise in the right wing parties, as, at the time the last (and ongoing) crisis started, centre-left parties were more common at the top of most European countries.

By presenting something like a common enemy (the EU, in this case), it's easy to get the votes of many people.

One thing my boss also said that time, and he (and I) hope never happens, is that those parties start to say that democracy doesn't work after all, and try to find "alternatives" to it with the support of the people that do not think of the consequences and vote on those appear to share the same enemies.



posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 01:47 PM
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a reply to: Wirral Bagpuss

Firstly the national front in France are a socialist (national socialist to be exact) party with racist and nationalist beliefs. There polices are far left not far right.

Anyway, I voted UKIP in the European and while I find their nationalism deeply distasteful I do not believe they are racist (I would never vote for a party I thought was).

Personally I voted for them and most probably will vote them again for 3 reasons

1. I really hate the EU it has caused so much suffering and is so, so corrupt. We need to help countries like Greece by getting rid of it and save our selves from ending up the same way.
2. I'm a libertarian and none of the other 3 parties are soliciting my vote where as UKIP is willing to throw in the odd Libertarian policy, which is better than nothing.
3. the other 3 parties are so corrupt I will never vote for them again, instead of than I am taking the policy of voting for whichever minor party (discounting the BNP who I'd never vote for) is most likely to win.



posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 02:01 PM
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Of course there are racists in UKIP.....just as there are racists in The Conservative Party.
And if I'm being 100% truthful I've got to say some of the most racist people I have met considered themselves Socialists and were fervent supporters of the traditional Labour Party.

I'm not saying the majority, or even a significant portion, just SOME.

Do UKIP have blatantly racist policies - not really as far as I can see.
Again, if I'm being entirely honest they don't have many policies at all really other than withdrawal from the EU and immigration restrictions.
Their immigration policy isn't based on some racist notion of superiority, its based on the opinion that immigration is out of control and serious restrictions need putting in place until such time that the UK economy etc is in a stronger position.
They also believe that immigration levels are restricting job opportunities for existing British citizens, regardless of race, colour or creed and are a drain on an already overburdened benefit system.

Perhaps some people perceive that as racist - I don't.
And neither do a growing number of British people who view UKIP as the only party that are expressing the cares and concerns of a growing number of British citizens.

Do I want to see a UKIP government.
Absolutely not.
But then again I don't want to see a Tory, Labour or LibDem government.

The current party political system has failed us and completely outlived its fit for purpose.



posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 02:45 PM
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The ever increasing non-transparent Brussels budget is cause for great concern in my opinion in the current economic climate. I think we need to remain a member of the European Economic Area (EEA) but not the EU. The EEA has no say over agriculture, fishing or justice and home affairs. Norway took this route and their economy flourishes with minimal interference from Brussels. I think the UKIP vote was meant to be a wakeup call to all our politicians. The Norway route is the best possible path for the UK to follow in my opinion. Sadly the main parties don't agree with me and unless that changes, it only leaves me with one viable option - vote UKIP.



posted on Jun, 10 2014 @ 02:47 PM
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I don't see a problem with UKIP, I voted for them and I'll do so again in the next general election.

I live up North in Bradford, a city that has been destroyed by immigration. The place is a disgrace, its like living in a foreign country. The schools are full, the hospitals are at breaking point, I cant get an appointment to see my GP because they are overrun by Polish, Hungarian, Romanians, Pakistanis, Indians, and whatever other nationality you can think of. There are no jobs. It's like a third world country.

I have no issues with people coming into our once great country who are willing to work, and can offer something for society, however Bradford seems to attract immigrants who come to our country to sponge off the benefits system. We really need to get a grip of the immigration policy, and no I'm not racist, I'm just very patriotic and its saddens me to see what's happening.

I've served in the British army as did my Father and his father. I used to be very proud to say that I am British, and a Yorkshireman (hence my username) however my pride has slowly eroded away.

People that don't see the problems that this multicultural society we live in brings, are probably sat in some leafy county down south.

Immigration needs sorting, and we need to get out of Europe and get rid of the ridiculous human rights act, which protects criminals and doesn't allow us to deal with the problems which are plaguing our country.





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