Neo-fascists train to fight in Ukraine

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Vovin

And you managed to prove absolutely nothing. What a surprise! There's a fascist party in Russia, just like in every country in the world! Obviously the Russian government must be fascist because of this fact!

Then why do you constantly say the Ukraine gov't are facist because there are certain citizens who want to follow that ideology?

Do you not see the...well you know the Irony in your post?

So how does discussing facists derail this thread?

That's right you want only those who agree with you to post in this thread. My bad...

For the last time, this thread is about the rise of fascism in Ukraine.

a reply to: Vovin

For the last time, this thread is about the rise of fascism in Ukraine.

And is it not relevant to have a counter to your views as that is what ATS is about... correct?

Surely you didn't think you could start a thread that nobody was going to have different views now did you?

Sorry if that destroyed your expectations of this thread, but if it bothers you that much then it's time for me to get the popcorn out and see where this goes.

Good luck...

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Vovin

For the last time, this thread is about the rise of fascism in Ukraine.

And is it not relevant to have a counter to your views as that is what ATS is about... correct?

Surely you didn't think you could start a thread that nobody was going to have different views now did you?

Sorry if that destroyed your expectations of this thread, but if it bothers you that much then it's time for me to get the popcorn out and see where this goes.

Good luck...

It's not "countering" when you drag on and on about an irrelevant subject. It's called derailing.

I tell you to stay on topic. You claim that Russia has to do with fascism in Ukraine. I asked you to prove it. You put up some picture of some fringe fascist party in Russia as your evidence. I tell you that your evidence is BS like your arguments, and you cry about your opinion being oppressed as you absolutely refuse to accept any of the limitless evidence available of neo-Nazis running the government in Kiev with fascists in their National Guard forces committing ethnic cleansing against half of their own countrymen.

Are you happy that you got your opinion out? Good. If you got nothing else constructive to say then get out. People are dying and you're blaming the victims. And for what? So Royal Dutch Shell can resume fracking operations on separatist land? I refuse to listen to any crap that a pro-fascist has to say.

I posted this in another thread but might post here as well


Yatsenyuk, using term 'subhumans' in his speech commemorating loss of 49 soldiers in plane crash.

"We bow our heads to the heroes who lost their lives for the sake of their country, to prevent the war from coming into the house of each of us," Prime-Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk said.
"They lost their lives because they defended men and women, children and the elderly who found themselves in a situation facing a threat to be killed by invaders and sponsored by subhumans," he said. "First, we will commemorate the heroes by wiping out those who killed them and then by cleaning our land from the evil."

Sub-human is a term that became infamous when the Nazis used it to describe "inferior people"[1] often referred to as "the masses from the East," that is Jews, Gypsies, and Slavs; including Poles, Serbs, Belarusians, Russians, and Rusyns.[2][3] The term was also applied to black people and Mulattos.[4] Jewish people were to be exterminated[5] in the Holocaust, just as Slavs in Generalplan Ost, who were destined to be removed from European territory under German control through murder and ethnic cleansing. While the Nazis were inconsistent in the implementation of their policy,[6][7] its genocidal death toll was in tens of millions of victims.

coincidence?

well recommended to see this video

The openly Nazi core of Kiev’s new army; WikiLeaked cables set Ukraine ‘nationalists’ in NATO ‘dirty wars’ abroad; and the ‘psychopaths’ who run CIA special operations.

Seek truth from facts with the world’s leading scholar on NATO’s Operation Gladio Dr. Daniele Ganser; Editor of new book Flashpoint in Ukraine – Dr. Stephen Lendman; Intelligence specialist William Engdahl; and victims of the Butcher of Lyon.

Video of National Guard trying to destroy a monument to the fall of fascism with artillery.

a reply to: Vovin

Are you happy that you got your opinion out? Good. If you got nothing else constructive to say then get out. People are dying and you're blaming the victims.

You seem to forget the reason this all happened.

Was any of this happening before Russia decided to take part of Ukraine for themselves...No.

And who is blaming the victims, Ukraine citizens are the victims as they still are part of Ukraine. If Russia had not done what they have you wouldn't be crying about victims now would you?

How about this why don't you use something other than Russian state run media as your source, because all you are doing is helping to push the propaganda they are selling. Are you willing to do that or are you just going to complain because someone else is posting on your totally one sided thread?

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Vovin

Are you happy that you got your opinion out? Good. If you got nothing else constructive to say then get out. People are dying and you're blaming the victims.

You seem to forget the reason this all happened.

Was any of this happening before Russia decided to take part of Ukraine for themselves...No.

And who is blaming the victims, Ukraine citizens are the victims as they still are part of Ukraine. If Russia had not done what they have you wouldn't be crying about victims now would you?

How about this why don't you use something other than Russian state run media as your source, because all you are doing is helping to push the propaganda they are selling. Are you willing to do that or are you just going to complain because someone else is posting on your totally one sided thread?

Why are you harassing me? What is your problem?

a reply to: Vovin

Video of National Guard trying to destroy a monument to the fall of fascism with artillery.

So where exactly is the proof that National Guard are doing this, because from your video it doesn't show who is actually doing this?

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Vovin

Video of National Guard trying to destroy a monument to the fall of fascism with artillery.

So where exactly is the proof that National Guard are doing this, because from your video it doesn't show who is actually doing this?

What a stupid question.

a reply to: Vovin

Why are you harassing me? What is your problem?

Sorry if you think i'm harassing you i'm not, but if your only going to try and push one side of this conflict someone needs to show the otherside that you won't show.

If you didn't have that how boring would threads be. Look don't take this as something personal towards you because it isn't...it's about what your providing as proof that's all.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Vovin

Why are you harassing me? What is your problem?

Sorry if you think i'm harassing you i'm not, but if your only going to try and push one side of this conflict someone needs to show the otherside that you won't show.

If you didn't have that how boring would threads be. Look don't take this as something personal towards you because it isn't...it's about what your providing as proof that's all.

If you don't have anything to contribute to the topic of the thread, then it is your choice to go somewhere else.

Instead, you came here and intentionally derailed the thread. The point of this thread is to consolidate the topic of the rise of fascism in the Ukrainian state from other threads into one thread.

But you obviously are working against this concept with your insistence of pushing your anti-Russian agenda into this thread when it clearly doesn't fit. You know I won't take that crap from you so you know you're trolling me, except where you may think this is fun and games, my perception is that you're a fascist yourself. And I hate fascists.

***ATTENTION***

This is your one and only warning. The next person that says anything about another member will be immediately post banned for an indefinite period of time.

This back and forth stops now.

Do not reply to this post.

a reply to: Vovin

What a stupid question.

Why, that video in no way shows proof as to who was doing the shelling, but of course feel free to show me where that proof is.

Also we can't go by what the person shooting the video said, because anyone could have made the video and said whatever they wanted while filming.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

And you know what's most disturbing?

That ever since WWII, our governments here in the west have fostered us into perceiving Hitler and the Nazis as the greatest evil on earth that caused so much despair... And in the blink of an eye, the geopolitical game in Ukraine has resulted in western governments and media endorsing fascism, and tyranny of the minority (oligarchs), and crimes against humanity, and demonize Russia.

Just to cut the Russian economy off from the EU so Canada and the USA could sign a free trade agreement with the EU instead. There's no coincidence that the US and Canada has been the most anti-Russian in all this.

And the story about invading Russians is just a made up fantasy, just like every other supposed threat.

a reply to: Vovin

You know I won't take that crap from you so you know you're trolling me, except where you may think this is fun and games, my perception is that you're a fascist yourself. And I hate fascists.

Well, I see that trying to have a two sided discussion isn't going to happen, so I will watch from the sidelines for the remainder of this thread...

Good luck with it.

Sorry Zaph...

Just saw the warning.

Video is described as pro-Junta member of parliament forced to the ground after refusing to step on posters depicting the faces of other MPs. The fascist crowd (easily distinguished by their colours and clothes) yells at her to "give up your mandate".

Here's an article describing the USA controlling the junta. Not sure of the source itself (never seen it before) but it does have lots of links, especially to wiki leaks.

Essentially, several American cables on wikileaks show Pereshenko (the new president) as an insider to the US State Department since at least 2006. The cables also show the Pereshenko was sharing strategic information to the Americans to entice them into forming a "diplomatic" presence in Crimea in 2009, which is pretty much treason. Article also links to more cables that describe corruption among pretty much the top people of the junta.

300 new volunteers for Azov Battalion, under Interior Ministry, to fight separatists. Azov Battalion is commanded by members of "Social-Nationalist Party of Ukraine", of which you clearly see their flags and insignia on their uniforms.