a reply to: NihilistSanta
Thanks for the thumbs up.
You address a lot of issues, and I'd be sitting here for hours going into the history of South Africa, and I'd also be going way off topic.
But I'll continue to post on the local situation when applicable.
I'd just shortly say that from 2006 we've had same-sex marriage equality in SA, and since then I sometimes feel a unified queer movement has been
I don't know about what's going on in the US, but I hear so much of gays wanting "special rights", yet after all these years on ATS I still fail to
see any example of "special" civil rights.
Yet, religious con-men can run all kinds of organizations based on a tax-exempt status.
Not to say all religion is a con, but it's outrageous that what could be a future Jim Jones could be demanding to teach kids about science, and his
cult's view of a planet created for a constantly immediate apocalypse at the end of the narrative - how's that for demanding frightening "special
But for sure, any kind of liberation leads to factionalism of what that "freedom" should entail.
Just so we had the ANC who got their concept of a "people's war" from communist Vietnam, and their most brutal fight in South Africa was actually
against rival black movements like Azapo or Inkatha.
The world may hear of their distinguished members in exile, but many of their grass-roots supporters were just common thugs.
The ANC didn't just march into Pretoria.
Their army (which had gulags like Quatro for its own members) was actually pretty inefficient.
In fact, South Africa was handed to them on a platter during a negotiated settlement, and at that point the ANC and the United Democratic Front had
many white members too.
The Cold War had just ended, and many countries that suddenly celebrated Mandela in 1990 (like Britain and the US) had supported apartheid as Cold War
allies, and the Anglo-American companies or fundamentalist preachers (like the late Jerry Falwell), that enabled apartheid, have never apologized or
contributed to the victims.
Nevertheless, I think there's a segment of the white population that's still paranoid about a political collapse in which whites will be targeted.
The "Suidlanders", for example, are one of the biggest survivalist groups on earth, and they're constantly preparing for "Uhuru".
Many white farmers have been slaughtered in brutal attacks, and there's a sense that whites were placated into a false sense of security, and now the
Marxists are doing the killing slowly, because in 1990 whites were still too powerful and militarized.
Without whites and their skills there have also been collapses in basic services, like water and electricity.
One cannot promise the electorate more service delivery and drive away the skilled population.
At a time when much of post-colonial Africa was imploding, South Africa still had hospitals, universities and a functional infrastructure.
Even then immigrants from other African countries were keen to work on SA mines and enter the country.
Before the People's War started in the late 1970s, South Africa virtually had full employment, and without disinvestment the majority of the populace
weren't very motivated for revolution at all.
But ultimately most people want peace and reconciliation in a fair society.
Whites are actually a small minority of about 4 million people, out of a population of 50 million (the black population in the whole of British
southern Africa in around 1900 was 5,4 million - while apartheid was wrong in many ways, it certainly wasn't a genocide).
What is more blatant is that certain things like police brutality, undemocratic tendencies and corruption today seem very similar to apartheid.
Recently some squatters were evicted, and the scenes were reminiscent of apartheid footage (except that the people doing the evicting were mostly
This leads me to think that the same powers behind apartheid are now behind the ANC.
The African National Congress and the pre-1994 National Party actually resemble each other in several uncomfortable respects.
Ordinary white people have very little to with it, and Pretoria alone now has over 70 white squatter camps.
The poor white problem is visible in South Africa (just Google it on YouTube).
We (whites in general) do not control South Africa, and whites have also suffered, especially as foot soldiers of the Cold War in Angola.
But just like gays, whites make a very convenient minority scapegoat for the corruption and failures of the current government and elites.
edit on 10-6-2014 by halfoldman because: (no reason given)