Radioactive bananas and potato chips.... oh my!!!! Lets talk.

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posted on Jun, 9 2014 @ 04:37 PM
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I am starting this thread to discuss the natural occurring radiation found in potato chips and banana's, which are commonly used to compare against cesium-137.

I am not a nuclear expert by any means, what I have learned, I learned on my own.

Lets start with the basic differences:

Potassium is a naturally occurring mineral that is vital for health and the human body. Potassium rich foods include bananas, potatoes, lima beans, brazil nuts etc.

Cesium-137 is a man made radionuclide that is a by product of fission. If all man-made nuclear activity were stopped today, in 500 years there would be no traces of cesium-137 on this planet. I say man-made because there is evidence that in earth's past, naturally occurring nuclear fission was present, about a billion years ago or so.

First topic.... numbers.

A Chaquita banana on average contains about 450 milligrams of potassium. Potassium-40 is a naturally occurring radionuclide, but it only represents a very tiny fraction of potassium. Naturally occurring potassium-40 that is in food only occurs at the rate of approximately 120 parts per million (ppm) of potassium.

For every 1,000,000 units of potassium, we would expect to find 120 units of potassium-40.

For every 1,000,000 units of cesium-137, we would expect to find 1,000,000 units of cesium-137.

So for the banana example, you would take 450 milligrams of potassium and divide that by .012% to arrive at your estimated amount of potassium-40 in your banana. If that same banana contained 450 milligrams of cesium-137, then that's what you got... all 450 milligrams are radioactive.


Half life:

Potassium-40 has a half life of approximately 1,300,000,000 years.
Cesium-137 has a half life of approximately 30 years.

Biological half life: (time from ingestion to secretion)

Potassium-40 has an average of about 16 days.
Cesium-137 has an average of about 70 days.

There are tons more numbers we can toss out there about the disintegration counts, decay chain differences, etc. but I will leave that open for the discussion.

So remember,,, there are many different types of radiation, and different effects from said radiation but it should be obvious that trying to compare cesium-137 to the potassium-40 found in food is ludicrous.
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posted on Jun, 9 2014 @ 04:44 PM
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When I called the Canadian Federal Government shortly after Fukushima blew up, their PR department used the "bananas have radiation" line on me. I know there's different types and degrees of radiation and wasn't going to get anywhere with him/them. He was probably reading from a script and most everyone buys their bs without question.



posted on Jun, 9 2014 @ 05:50 PM
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1 gram of cesium-137 equals..........3,250,000,000,000 Bq of cesium-137

1 gram of potassium-40 equals....................265,000 Bq of potassium-40



It becomes pretty obvious that you would have to eat more bananas, potato chips etc than you could possibly consume to even come remotely close to matching what you would get from consuming small amounts of cesium-137.

Add to that, the human body is very efficient at regulating the amount of potassium in the body.... the more potassium you consume, the more your body dumps out as waste...... it doesn't do that with cesium-137.
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posted on Jun, 9 2014 @ 06:16 PM
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With all due respect to the OP and his valiant efforts to bring this Fuku thing as much attention as possible, this banana conversation is not worth having.

Banana radiation or solar radiation is simply not the same as the hideous man made radiation that is the byproduct of nuclear weapons makers like Fuku. The Nuclear industry hired wonderful, brilliant sellout scientists and PR people to create this preposterous connection to simply dupe people into thinking they are they same. If the radiation is the same, then why bother dealing with the waste, we can just eat it away, how about giving it to cancer patients, or poor people? Those perpetuating this b*%#it know full well there is a difference, as not to know suggest they are beyond stupid. They perpetuate this lie over and over and over again in the Goebbels manner of mind control and they know damn well their payday requires them to keep saying it over and over.

So to have this conversation helps give them credibility. Several science shills on this site also use the 300 nuke bombs before means this is okay argument, as well as a handful of other PR lies created for them by their masters. They are shills, plane and simple and lack any actual human quality for to sell out humanity in this way is simply not human at all.

I find they will not, refuse in fact, to answer this question: How much radiation from man made sources does it take to prevent the proper Soul expression through the human body? How much radiation can one take before the simply are the walking dead, lifeless expressions useless to anyone and everyone including themselves? For those who would like to know what a soulless expression looks like, go the cancer radiation areas in a hospital and ask if folks want to do anything requiring their soul or anything at all.

With all due respect Ricky, the effort to "educate" those who are paid to put out dis-info is a waste of time. Thankfully, their families will suffer just like the rest of the people, as they are low level shills who have no power at all in the end and will be disposed of in short order. When things go bad the shills are always the first to be put out to pasture, as they proved they were willing to sell out the entire population of the planet, including their families, for a few bucks or some peer sponsored attention and cannot be trusted - I regard drug dealers in higher regard then these shills.

This fuku disaster cannot be fixed. In case it is fixed, the WIPP will produce the desired effect - distorting the Soul's ability to express itself on the planet. In fact, I suspect the WIPP will go down in flames within the year, thankfully we'll hear all about how bananas are radioactive to make us all feel better about that horror.

What makes people sell out their fellow humans by defending the indefensible with the most pathetic augmentative equations? I wonder why NASA hasn't given the Yakuza and the Homeless the have hired from tepco the spacesuits allow folks to enter the buildings - oh, probably because NASA knows there is a huge difference between the Sun's radiation the waste from the Nuclear bomb making factories disguised as power plants.



posted on Jun, 9 2014 @ 06:29 PM
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a reply to: crankyoldman

I wasn't trying to change the mind of shills.. that's impossible..... I am only trying to make people aware of the reality when they hear someone say..... you get more radiation from eating bananas or potato chips than you do from nuclear accidents or since you consume radiation from bananas and potato chips, then the fear of radiation from nuclear accidents is baseless because you consume radiation everyday in food.

So if only 1 person reads this post and realizes that by the numbers, comparing potassium in food to radiation released from a nuclear accident are not even close to the same ball park...not the same city...not the same country.... not even the same planet if you are trying to equate the effects to a side by side comparison of the two.

Then the mission has been accomplished.

I am surprised none of our resident shills has shown up on this thread yet.... must need time to think of something to say I guess.

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posted on Jun, 9 2014 @ 07:34 PM
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The radiation found in Bananas is usually potassium based as is the stuff found in potatoes. I did get a positive low reading on bananas one day but it wasn't bad at all, just a small uptick. Nothing on the locally grown potatoes showed up, but I only tested about three different times. It would depend on what was in the fields I suppose and what was in the fertilizer used. Small amounts of radiation are natural and they don't pose us that much risk, our bodies can deal with that. Now, Cesium may be a different bird, I don't know how small traces of that would effect us.

I'm not that worried, there was a lot of radiation that came out of Chernobyl and I didn't notice anything. I keep thinking it would be interesting to take my radiation detector to a potato warehouse or into a grocery store. It would probably make the owners just as worried as if I took in a rifle, people might start to panic and avoid the store jeopardizing their future. If I could get in when the cleaning crew was there, it might not be bad. But then again, I would not post the results anyway, I am sure I would find some radiation there, and I wouldn't want to worry anyone unnecessarily. My little ben clock puts out over twenty times the radiation that those bananas did that time.

We have been through a lot of radiation, just think about all the nuclear testing that was done in the past. We are all here....well, I can't say that people are normal though. The abnormal aspects of our society are more to worry about than the radiation



posted on Jun, 9 2014 @ 07:38 PM
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a reply to: RickinVa

That is interesting. I haven't researched Cesium that much. It's not on my list of things I plan on researching yet either.

How is it excreted, through the liver or kidneys? Seems like Iodine would not protect you from Cesium.



posted on Jun, 9 2014 @ 07:54 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse

all I know is that it is retained in the body for around 70 days,,, one site listed 109 days,,, I went with the lowest. Not even going to try an attempt to describe how the body eliminates it, but its easy to look up.



posted on Jun, 9 2014 @ 08:30 PM
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more fun with numbers....

I use wolfram for calculations, makes it quick and simple.


www.wolframalpha.com...

we can see that 3,250,000,000,000 bq of cesium-137 = mass of 1.01 grams

we can also see that 265,000 bq of potassium-40 = mass of .999 grams

so for mass = grams, they are close enough and easy enough numbers to work with.

so dividing 3,250,000,000,000 by 265,000 we come up with 12,264,151 grams of potassium-40 to equal 1 mass gram of cesium-137 as far as bq's go.

since potassium-40 occurs naturally at around 120 ppm of potassium.... we must determine the amount of potassium required to give us 12,264,151 mass grams of potassium-40.


that's off the wall bathroom stall arithmetic right there......

you do the math and figure out how many banana's you need to eat to equal 1/1,000,000 of a gram of cesium-137 based on the average of 450 milligrams of potassium per banana.

once you have that number, that's the very minimum of how many you would need to eat every 16 days for less say 80 days to to match the amount of that 1/1,000,000th of a gram of cesium-137.

don't forget,,,, your body has been managing the levels of potassium it intakes forever.... if your levels start to go up, the body will compensate by flushing more potassium out as waste....... so keep eating those bananas!!


anybody got a number?
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posted on Jun, 9 2014 @ 08:35 PM
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I submit,despite your title, we are still having a fake discussion, so I wonder why we having it at all.
Just sayin'…..
tetra



posted on Jun, 9 2014 @ 08:40 PM
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a reply to: crankyoldman

Star for your rant Cranky Oldman. I must be about as old and cranky because I agreed with most every word I read.

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posted on Jun, 9 2014 @ 08:41 PM
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a reply to: tetra50

in what way do you consider it fake? the thread is brand new, only a few hours old.



posted on Jun, 9 2014 @ 08:45 PM
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cranky oldman said it before I did, and much better than I could have….
obviously. But I'll try and give my 2 cents, like everyone else:

your title alludes to Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz, doesn't it and rightly so. Oh my. Lions and tigers and bears, oh my. At least I think this is where the reference is from. Doesn't really matter, though. Should I put that in all caps, in case that starts an argument, in itself?
Because that's not really the topic,even per your OP.
It's about radiation in our food.
But what are you eating, anyway? And do you even need to do so, or is that a scam, too? Don't care how much you love pizza.
You are being controlled by your basic needs, and that's the issue, really: Radioactive or not. And just what does radioactive mean, really?
There, we get into the science: cesium and so forth.
Be well and take care.
tetra
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posted on Jun, 9 2014 @ 08:54 PM
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a reply to: crankyoldman
Then why bother talking about anything at all ever again here or anywhere if not Fukushima ?
Why bother posting on ATS at all just to dissuade conversation about this, how is 'that' helping anything?
Is not about educating shills, is about humans communicating to/with/for humans.
I get the futility, but giving up altogether and not talking about it at all just ensures they win.

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posted on Jun, 9 2014 @ 09:17 PM
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Not to side track the thread, but I believe in this motto:


It's very easy to put out disinformation to large numbers of people to achieve your goals. But when you try to open peoples eyes so they can begin to see past the disinformation, it often has to be done one person at a time.

Like I said, if only one person realizes how ridiculous it is to compare naturally occurring radiation in food as opposed the man made crap out of a reactor, then the thread achieved its goal.


And btw, the title of the thread had nothing to do with the Wizard of Oz lol



posted on Jun, 9 2014 @ 09:27 PM
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originally posted by: wishes
a reply to: crankyoldman
Then why bother talking about anything at all ever again here or anywhere if not Fukushima ?
Why bother posting on ATS at all just to dissuade conversation about this, how is 'that' helping anything?
Is not about educating shills, is about humans communicating to/with/for humans.
I get the futility, but giving up altogether and not talking about it at all just ensures they win.




Why bother posting on ATS at all just to dissuade conversation about this, how is 'that' helping anything?

You are right on with that…and thank you. I am not trying to dissuade conversation, but point out where it's disingenuous…. After tonight, in fact, I won't be posting on ATS, as I'm too interested in "horse porn and pedophelia," according to my banning from chat. Hopefully, those who have been interested enough to read my posts KNOW that this is definitively not me….
The reason I bring it up here, is, it's similar to the topic at hand, alluding to the truth while at the same time, deflecting from it…..that's what's going on here: the pretense of an enemy, so outrageous, giving us radiation in our food (and where does that food come from anyway), but none of us can discuss the reality without euphemisms and metaphors, any way but NOT really discussing the reality while making an enemy outrageously distinct while that's not the enemy at all…..

But no matter, I'm obviously through here. Because if I'm to be branded as someone who cannot stop discussing horse porn and pedophelia, and it's not true, but repeated here, I have no choice but to shut up….which is the whole point….
A good exanple of what I mean about this thread, applying to what's happened to me and on and on and on..
tetra
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posted on Jun, 9 2014 @ 09:51 PM
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originally posted by: tetra50

originally posted by: wishes
a reply to: crankyoldman
Then why bother talking about anything at all ever again here or anywhere if not Fukushima ?
Why bother posting on ATS at all just to dissuade conversation about this, how is 'that' helping anything?
Is not about educating shills, is about humans communicating to/with/for humans.
I get the futility, but giving up altogether and not talking about it at all just ensures they win.




Why bother posting on ATS at all just to dissuade conversation about this, how is 'that' helping anything?

You are right on with that…and thank you. I am not trying to dissuade conversation, but point out where it's disingenuous…. After tonight, in fact, I won't be posting on ATS, as I'm too interested in "horse porn and pedophelia," according to my banning from chat. Hopefully, those who have been interested enough to read my posts KNOW that this is definitively not me….
The reason I bring it up here, is, it's similar to the topic at hand, alluding to the truth while at the same time, deflecting from it…..that's what's going on here: the pretense of an enemy, so outrageous, giving us radiation in our food (and where does that food come from anyway), but none of us can discuss the reality without euphemisms and metaphors, any way but NOT really discussing the reality while making an enemy outrageously distinct while that's not the enemy at all…..

But no matter, I'm obviously through here. Because if I'm to be branded as someone who cannot stop discussing horse porn and pedophelia, and it's not true, but repeated here, I have no choice but to shut up….which is the whole point….
A good exanple of what I mean about this thread, applying to what's happened to me and on and on and on..
tetra





you like horse porn ? thats a very unusual habit to have.....

on topic....it is a use full conversation to have because the governments would have us believe radiation is not harmfull and there is confusion with naturally occurring radiation in certain foods



posted on Jun, 9 2014 @ 09:55 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
umm despite my banning from chat, giving that as a reason, I truly don't know whom they are referring to, as that isn't me, and I stand by my posting and thread history on that…..cause NO, I neither like nor engage in HORSE PORN NOR PEDOPHELIA….and I never talked about either on this site or in their chat function…...
I gave it as an example of what is occurring on this site and elsewhere, because it's becoming ridiculous….
thanks for your reply, though
tetra
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posted on Jun, 9 2014 @ 11:10 PM
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a reply to: tetra50
Ignorance and ignorant people (in my opinion) is at an all time epidemic level. It has always been my choice to be aware of what's going on and more often than not it has been a dark, insidious road - crankyoldman touched on but the tip of the iceberg.

As far as I can tell all public forums are (over)run with people who think they know everything because they can google, but haven't read a book or done any field research themselves. The choice is to wade through the 98% to find 2% who do have real knowledge and willing to share it or give up altogether ;-)

The more education (knowledge, not brainwashing) people have the more they can think. Letting others define us means they win and we lose. I don't want to know about radiation, but it's in my face, literally. I "know" there's a HUGE difference between bananas and plutonium hot particles but I couldn't begin to explain exactly what that difference is - thank goodness there are others who can and do, which is the point of this thread :-)

They want everyone to stay asleep and believe Fukushima (and all other nukes) is no worse for us than eating bananas. They want us to NOT ask questions or actually figure out what's really going on. Is just mass hypnosis... and it is working exceptionally well.



posted on Jun, 9 2014 @ 11:34 PM
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We need to find out what Percent of the Reactor #3 core was Uranium-238. Then we need to know what state the core is in. Then we can talk about bananas and chips(potassium-40).





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