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originally posted by: jester420
Now I must say that I am in NO WAY mocking/down grading religion/faith, but I am really interested in how someone can believe something, but yet not know why they believe it.
originally posted by: jester420
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Now I must say that I am in NO WAY mocking/down grading religion/faith, but I am really interested in how someone can believe something, but yet not know why they believe it.
originally posted by: jester420
Just to clarify to everyone, Im now thinking I didnt make my reason for these 2 questions quite clear.
I really dont know exactly the answers, and im sure no one does know for sure.
BUT...
What I am interested in (hence this thread), is how can someone deny the knowledge of another, and yet when asked to present evidence/cause of belief they cannot, but still stick to thier guns.
I wont believe something that cannot be proven, and I understand was the concept of faith is, but for a christian to deny that science may have proven that the earth is at least X amount years old, and yet not have ANY reason for denying this doesnt make sense.
So Why/how can someone say that the earth isnt AT LEAST X amount of years old?
There is a significant amount of evidence/proof that the earth is over, say, 1 million years old, but christianaty generally cannot accept this..
WHY????????
This is where the conversation with my farther started to drift onto other topics, and when I steered the convo back, it kept changing.
Now I must say that I am in NO WAY mocking/down grading religion/faith, but I am really interested in how someone can believe something, but yet not know why they believe it.
originally posted by: jester420
a reply to: yeahright
But isnt this book all Christians really have to base thier religion on?
Wouldnt that make everything else anecdotal?
I honestly think that every time Christianaty conflicts with science, and outright rejects it, shouldnt their be some substance in this book?
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
I Corinthians 2:14
originally posted by: Rex282
originally posted by: jester420
Now I must say that I am in NO WAY mocking/down grading religion/faith, but I am really interested in how someone can believe something, but yet not know why they believe it.
Because belief is the antithesis of knowing.To believe is to not know,and to know is to not believe.There is nothing that can be proved inconclusively.The very construct of existence itself cannot.Of course this will always lead to false conclusions.If the premise is faulty even correct math calculations will be incorrect in relation to the construct.
Proverbs 2:1 My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee;
2 So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;
3 Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;
4 If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the Lord, and find the knowledge of God.
originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: LABTECH767
Text1: When, according to your belief, was the world created? Proof/evidence needed, as in particular bible verses. 2: How was the world created? I know that according to the bible,God created the earth, but how? - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...
This is a really big leap of logic here.
Just as you have two portions that is your entity, God also has two portions to His existence. Moses called these two portions "image' and "Likeness," With God His image is "The Celestial Word" and His likeness is Himself as total Spirit.
originally posted by: jester420
I was having a great conversation with my farther last night. He is a pentecostal christian, and my self had been to church for about 6 years in my youth, as well as going to a private christian college,
I ask some questions and he found them really hard to answer, using the bible proved no help.
1: When, according to your belief, was the world created? Proof/evidence needed, as in particular bible verses.
2: How was the world created? I know that according to the bible,God created the earth, but how?
Please let me know what you think.
originally posted by: jmdewey60
I think the idea in Genesis is that the world was made by God, rather than by someone else.
The thing that comes across is "His will".
"He spoke" just coveys the idea, that it was His will enough to go to the trouble of making a command.
I think it is written to counter the idea that Satan or some evil god or half god did it in secret as some sort of trick, either against God or people in general.
It really has nothing to do with the actual mechanism of creation.